Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Escape from Kamino

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Escape from Kamino

• Nominated by: —Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 23:56, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
• Nomination comments:I figure I better nominate this before I get lazy and back out of it again. For WP:VG.

(4 Inqs/3 Users/7 Total)

Support

1. I loved this level! Good job! :) Plagueis327 22:26, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
2. If a rank for Vader (e.g. Executor) is given, you can include it. Otherwise it's fine. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 15:26, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
3. "You have escaped me for the last time."--Darth Vader. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 16:33, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
4. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:45, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
5. Menkooroo 01:52, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
6. Great work. CC7567 ^(talk) 22:57, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
7. 1358 ^(Talk) 20:30, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Object

The Premier

1. It's mentioned in one of the audio entries on the unleashed2010.com site. Please find a way to add it to the source, like Subject 1157.
   • Is that what you were looking for?
     • I added "Imo," but yeah. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 02:41, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
2. Add the Tie advanced to the infobox.
   • I left it out since it wasn't really part of the combatants. Starkiller merely used it to escape the planet.
     • Sure. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 02:41, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
3. No mention of the "severe structural damage" near Barracks D4?
   • I don't think that much detail is needed, per se, but added.
4. Looks really great. My review will continue with the novel and Wii versions shortly. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 01:47, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
   • Thanks. From what I gather, the Wii version doesn't differ enough to warrant a whole BTS section as Rescue of Rahm Kota did. I've just made a note of it in the BTS. If I'm incorrect, let me know.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 01:57, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
5. In the appearances, you have the game before the novel, but in your Rescue of Kota article, its the other way around. Doesn't the novel come first anyway? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 16:25, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
   • Ah. Right you are. Good catch. Although they cover the same time period, the novel tells a little bit of backstory, so that would go first.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 17:10, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
     • Also, thanks for updating it with the information from the website.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 17:13, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
6. Here's another one from the aftermath: "However, by the time he arrived there, Eclipse had been captured by bounty hunter Boba Fett, who had been hired by Darth Vader to capture Eclipse in order to lure Starkiller back to Kamino" It is rather poor chronology and needs moved further up. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 03:10, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
   • I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean. I mention the incident when Starkiller reaches the Itani Nebula, which is when Eclipse was captured. Where were you thinking it should be moved to?—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 03:17, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
     • I mean the part where Boba Fett was hired. It's important enough that it needs more than a throwaway line. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 03:22, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
       • Ah. Gotcha. See what you think.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 03:27, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
         • Looks okay; it'll be fine in the aftermath as well if you want to move it back. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:56, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
7. Last one: the part where he mind-tricks the suicide trooper: doesn't he have some sort of vision first, allowing him to use the power? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:56, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
   • Added.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 14:07, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Lee's charge

• he compelled the lone trooper patrolling the area to commit suicide: Link for that trooper?
  • I was debating about whether he was game mechanics or not, but I suppose he does deserve an article since he's there every time and not just something the game randomly sticks in.
• No rank for Darth Vader in the infobox?
  • The reasoning I have behind not including a rank for Vader is because I didn't include any contextual rank for Starkiller. If you feel strongly about this, though, I don't mind adding it in.
• Very good work. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 11:02, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the review.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 17:10, February 20, 2012 (UTC)

Snake Pliskin

• Galactic Empire isn't mentioned or linked anywhere in the intro. Can you add it in somewhere in such a way as to make it clear that Vader, the cloning program, the Death Star, and the whole shebang all fall under the umbrella of the Empire?
  • I don't think this is necessary since it was more of Vader's own personal project. The Empire was involved, but I'm not sure if it needed an intro mention. Done, though.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 01:57, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
    • That's a fair point. As the Death Star and Vader are mentioned, I think it should be in there somewhere, but maybe it would be better as an unobtrusive pipelink to the word "Imperial" tacked in somewhere?
      • Added it to Vader's context. See what you think.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 02:46, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
• One thing I frequently observe about battle articles is that the intro is always heavy on stuff from the "Prelude" section. Granted, it's often necessary context, but as the article's subject is the battle itself, I'm wondering if you can give the intro some more details from the "The escape" section. "Fighting his way through the Imperial forces garrisoned in Timira City, where he was cloned, Starkiller narrowly escaped Vader and hijacked the Sith Lord's personal fighter, escaping the planet." seems like the barest-bones description of the actual "Escape from Kamino" --- can we get some stuff on the stormtroopers, jumptroopers, riot troopers, Starkiller's mind-controlled allies, etc, etc?
  • I don't entirely agree with this, but see what you think of the changes I made.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 01:57, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
    • Out of curiosity --- why? The article is "Escape from Kamino," after all, and an intro that's proportional to and representative of the entire body rather than heavily focusing on the first 25% of it should be the aim of every type of article. Not trying to be belligerent here; just genuinely interested in your take on it. :)
      • Simply because the description of who and what Starkiller was fighting seems like details more suited to the body. For my money's worth, I think the intro is fine to add the context to the details surrounding it and leaving the "battle" more vague, as it were. Something as simple as "Starkiller escaped" could almost work in the intro, since that's what it boils down to. The body contains the details of the escape: who he fought, when he fought, how he fought, etc. Any-which-way, thanks for the review.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 02:46, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
        • I know it's not really worth arguing, since you addressed the objection, but I think it's important to hammer home the fact that the article is "Escape from Kamino," not "Prelude to Escape from Kamino." The details of the escape are the most important details of the article, and the intro should always contain an article's most important details. In some battle articles, the prelude section is a summary of a battle that has an article of its own; focusing the intro on the prelude in such cases would be focusing the intro on another article entirely. Anyway, just some food for thought. Time for me to finish my review. :) Menkooroo 03:05, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
• I'm not sure if the "Prelude" quote is appropriate, given that it comes from events described two paragraphs into "The escape." Additionally, the lead quote from "The escape" seems like it's actually spoken before the quote currently in "Prelude." Can you find a more prelude-ish quote? Maybe about the clones in general? Swapping the two quotes might actually work, too, or maybe just axing the final two sentences of the "Prelude" one. Thoughts?
  • Switched.
• Is TFI "around" the year 2 BBY? I was under the impression the comic dated it exactly. Menkooroo 18:08, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
  • Fixed.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 01:57, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
• "since it remains closer to the novel, which is considered the higher level of canonicity." By who? This seems like conjecture; the video game and the novel are equally C-canon. Was the logic here that the novel doesn't have any game mechanics? That's fair, but can you reword it so as not to make any assumptions about canon?
  • I'm going by what was once said on StarWars.com, where it basically said that although the novel and game are slightly different, the novel should be considered the "real story" of Starkiller. To me, that makes it sound like the novel is considered the higher level of canon, and when there are any differences in the game and novel, the novel should take precedence. I'm not sure, though, where that article is anymore, unless that's what page you found on SW.com, CP?—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 15:00, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
    • Yeah, it's that one. The archive is linked from the novel page. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 16:19, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
      • Good find. I guess it's OK as long as it's sourced, then. :) Menkooroo 17:29, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
        • Great. Thanks, CP. Should be all set now.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 00:24, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
• Are we sure about the capitalization of Jumptrooper? The article title is capitalized but uses lowercase throughout. Can you confirm it, maybe in the novel?
  • Please excuse the interruption. For what its worth, I haven't been able to find a source that specifically says the novel is the true version, but that's how the previous one was treated. And interestingly, I can only find one mention of jumptroopers in the novel, and it is called "jump trooper." The J is capitalized because it's at the beginning of a sentence. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:03, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
    • So, I'm thinking we should leave it as is?—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 00:24, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
      • It's probably worth checking The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide, but I won't hold back support over a couple of capital Js. :D Definitely check the Campaign Guide if you get the chance. Menkooroo 01:52, March 21, 2012 (UTC)
• The BTS states that the DS version is different, but only details the Wii version. Can we get a summary of the DS version, too? If you wanted, you could lead the BTS with a quote from the novel or one of the alternate video-game versions, too.
  • Check it out.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 00:24, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
• All from me. This was very well-written. We need more FAs from you, dammit! More! ;) Menkooroo 03:37, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  • Great. Thanks for the review.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 00:24, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 20:30, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

1. In the parade ground levels, there is the opportunity to get it to target stormtroopers. Its gamemechanics, but should it be included? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 01:47, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
   • I don't think it's particularly pertinent to this article.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 01:50, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
2. Okay, I added the alternate versions to the BTS. Please check that out. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 04:56, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
   • Looks good. Thanks for the help.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 14:07, February 22, 2012 (UTC)
3. Update to Menk's question. The strategy guide uses both capitalizations for "jumptrooper." And i found the archived blurb for the novel on sw.com, which says it is the "historical" version of the game's story. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 13:56, March 19, 2012 (UTC)