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Canderous Ordo

  • Nominated by: JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 02:57, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: This one is for all you Fandalorians out there!

(3 Inqs/4 Users/7 Total)

Support

  1. I suppose I have gone thru this often enough to be happy as is. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 15:58, February 5, 2011 (UTC), vote revised 10:27, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Do Mission Vao next! Menkooroo 03:47, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
  3. GTQ 01:23, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  4. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 19:28, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote -- Darth Culator (Talk) 19:06, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
  6. Inqvote Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 10:51, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
  7. Someone take care of Dolphins' objections so this can pass. Kilson(Let's have a chat) 19:23, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Object

Xd1358
  • Image captions should only end with a period if the sentence is complete. Please revise.
    • Fixed. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 21:07, February 6, 2011 (UTC)
      • The "Jedi Civil War" and "Working with Revan" captions shouldn't have periods either since neither of the captions have verbs and thus aren't complete sentences. 1358 (Talk) 19:30, February 7, 2011 (UTC)
  • Full review coming possibly hopefully after a while. :P 1358 (Talk) 14:25, February 5, 2011 (UTC)
Canderous Ordo
  • Hey there! I'm not sure if "formerly" should be next to Exchange in the infobox. Check above for a conversation I had with Trayus about it in the Chantique nom; the article is about his entire life, not just one period of time, so simply listing everything he's been involved with at one time or another with no specific time period focused on is probably best. Otherwise you'd have to put "formerly" beside more than just one thing.
  • When you mention the defeat of the Crusaders in 3996 BBY, can you give a bit more context? Noting the name of the war would probably do it.
  • "Shortly before the Mandalorian Wars" --- probably not a good idea to mention the wars until they happen. This statement lacks context and kinda comes outta nowhere, but I think leaving it out would be a better solution than adding context. "Before 3,963 BBY" would be a good alternative.
  • More to come! Really impressed so far. Menkooroo 14:30, February 27, 2011 (UTC)
  • In Working with Revan: "With Kang killed" kinda comes outta nowhere --- I know that how he dies is up to the player, but this kinda reads like he died before the battle began. Maybe something like "After Kang died" or something?
  • Nitpicky and probably a sofixit, but in the same paragraph, two consecutive sentences noticeably use "decided." Can you change it up?
  • Context on Karath --- what is he an Admiral in?
    • Specified him as a Sith Admiral. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 07:44, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
      • That makes it seem like he himself is a Sith --- can you make it clear that he's an Admiral in the Sith Empire?
  • Why does Revan need to deal with the tractor beam? Is the Hawk caught in it? Explain, baby!
  • In the second sentence of the Karath paragraph, I'm not really sure who from which group is rescuing who --- can you make it more clear?
  • I'd like to see some more info given on Revan's travels. Granted, Ordo isn't necessarily in his party, but giving some more context on the travels wouldn't be remiss. Mention what planets they visit and what they accomplish at each one (ie, finding pieces of the Star Map --- the article currently doesn't mention the Star map at all!!), and note who the other members of Revan's group are. You could probably make an entire paragraph out of it. On top of that, a note in Behind the scenes that it's not canonically clear whether or not Canderous was in Revan's party on any of the post-Taris planets he went to might be in order.
    • I added mention of the worlds and the Star Maps but I don't think I can fluidly incorporate the other companions without going off-topic or making a straight up list. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 07:44, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
  • I've never played KOTOR II, but I guess you should do the same for that game too! :)
    • Done. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 07:44, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
      • I'm not seeing any changes there --- are there any other planets you visit in KOTOR II while Ordo is in your party (Dantooine, Nar Shaddaa...)?
  • I haven't played KOTOR in a while, but doesn't Canderous make like... grenades or something for you when you talk to him? Definitely mention that he provided Revan with those.
    • Actually he makes stimulants, and I've now made note. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 07:44, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
      • Nicely done with the add to Personality & traits too. :)
  • Names should only be bolded in the intro --- Mandalore the Preserver is currently bolded in the bio.
  • Does Canderous adopt the dying Taung's clan, or does he rebuild Clan Ordo? It's not really clear which. If the former, can you create an article for the new clan?
  • Almost done! Menkooroo 15:27, February 28, 2011 (UTC)
  • During the KOTOR stuff, the article states: "The Exile split her group, with some of her companions..." what group? The article hasn't established that she has a group yet; it's only been her and Ordo thus far. Giving some more context on her travels as per my above objection will probably solve this one too, baby!
    • The article does make mention that the Exile has other companions, such as when Kreia goes to talk with Ordo. I've tried to clarify this point a little more so hopefully that fixes it. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 05:14, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • Little information has been discovered as to Ordo's fate after his journey with the Exile --- that's a big no-no. We may not have the information Out-of-universe, but we can't assume that little information has been discovered by anybody In-universe. "Fate unknown" statements are pretty frowned-upon.
  • Ordo and the Mandalorians would be remembered for thousands of years to come. --- is this still according to Kreia's prediction? If so, can you specify? If not, it's fair to say so, but I don't think it can be source to KOTOR II.
    • That part wasn't part of the prediction so I changed it up a little. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 05:14, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
      • Well-done. Should the first part of the paragraph (the part about Kreia) still be sourced to KOTOR II, though?
        • I think so, Kreia specifically mentions that Canderous still has many battles to fight and that quote comes directly from the game. I did relocate the ref to that specific statement though. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 08:12, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • Can you give a more specific reference than Republic Commando series? Whichever book specifically states that the Null's named after Canderous would be better.
  • If you cite the Rebellion Era Campaign Guide, I think you can explicitly state that the Canderous-class Assault Tank was named after this guy.
  • You'll need a source for his Mando'a translation --- also, implying his significance as an foundation and anchor for the restoration of the Mandalorian people reads as pretty speculative regarding authorial intent. Can you reword it to something like "which fits with his significance..." that doesn't make any assumptions?
    • I sourced it to Karen Traviss' website but deleted the second part which is pretty much pure speculation. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 05:14, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • The part in the bts about the cut element --- if it's a cut element, why is it sourced to the game itself?
    • I've fixed this and cited it to the page that all current articles pertaining to cut content link to, but the link appears to have since died and I was unable to find any alternatives. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 05:14, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • The Canderous-Class Assault Tank has also shown up in Fate of the Jedi --- maybe tack that onto the end of the bts?
    • Added. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 05:14, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
      • The added sentence reads more In-Universe than Out-of-Universe --- can you mention Fate of the Jedi rather than 44 ABY?
        • Adjusted. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 08:12, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
          • Tweaked it a little bit to keep it simple; otherwise context would have to be given on the siege of the Jedi Temple, which would probably be straying too far away from the subject at hand. Take a looksie. Menkooroo 03:45, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
  • In the Star Wars: Miniatures game, the Mandalorian Commander figure resembles Ordo. Is this the same figure detailed here? If so: Why note that he resembles Ordo when it's explicitly confirmed to be him? If not: Might be worth it to mention both miniature figures.
    • I've found no reason to believe there is a separate figure so I've just deleted the offending sentence but I kept and relocated the link just for good measure. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 05:14, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
      • Offending sentence is still there --- says that the figure "resembles" him when the sw.com link states that they're one and the same.
  • Also, that starwars.com Miniatures preview should be in "External links" rather than "Sources" as per a CT held last year. This is admittedly a sofixit, but I think that that's handy for ya to know.
    • see above.
      • Just a note that I removed the "See below" thing, as it's a bit too self-referential. A note like that would probably be more at home in our Mando'a article, but I think it's better to leave it out here.
  • Is Canderous himself mentioned in Forces of Corruption, or have you included it in the Appearances section due to the Assault Tank? If the former, my apologies. If the latter, I don't think it counts as a "Mentioned only" --- maybe an (Indirect mention only), though. Not sure.
  • Just to confirm, is there definitely no unique info on him in Galaxy of Intrigue, Rebellion Era Campaign Guide, or The New Essential Guide to Droids? If you're not sure, I can provide you with info from... at least two of those sources, I think. If you've already checked them, my apologies.
    • I do have the New Essential Guide to Droids and don't see anything that isn't already in the article, but I don't have access to the other two sources although I doubt there would be anything significant. If you could check that'd be great! JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 05:14, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
      • I'll get back to you on this one within the next coupla days.
        • Checked 'em both. Doesn't seem to be any new info, other than explicit confirmation that the Assault Tank is named after him (it says that it's named after the "Mandalorian hero Canderous Ordo"). Menkooroo 07:29, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
  • That's it! Good job, my friend. Let me know if any of my objections are unclear. This was very well-done; I've found a buncha minor things, but it was definitely a good read! Menkooroo 15:10, March 1, 2011 (UTC)
Tm_T strikes back
  • As it happens, Menkooroo's review made me see some things to improve, so here it goes...
  • You can (and should?) use {{K2order}} where applicable, and change the mention in Bts accordingly.
    • If you're referring to the part about recruiting the Mandalorians, I discussed it with Cylka a while ago and she said that since the recruitment isn't an offical sidequest and is actually impossible based on the the order the Exile visited the planets as stated in the Prima Guide we can't include it in the main article and can only mention it in the BtS. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 03:09, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
      • Sounds fair. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 17:26, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
  • Also, the cut content referencing, you can use the game as a source for the unused model, with additional mention about the exact file or other identification of the model.
    • Added a ref for the game, but what's the proper way to mention the exact file/model? JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 03:09, March 4, 2011 (UTC)
      • I'm investigating on this, but game should suffice in the meantime. –Tm_T (Talk) 17:26, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
  • The T3 discussion there; can be sourced to the dialog file with exact line number. If you need help with these, just ask. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 09:27, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
    • Some help with that would be much appreciated thank you! I never got very good at all the intricacies of sourcing.
      • I'll add dialogue ref, I think the cut content ref that is pointing to unavailable site should be gone, all those should be eventually sourced properly in Cut content from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, perhaps we can use it as reference already though? –Tm_T (Talk) 17:26, March 23, 2011 (UTC)
        • These are not worth keeping objection, I'll see what I can do for improving the refs. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 10:25, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
QGJ
  • Ordo actually encountered Revan while carrying out a job for Kang in the Lower City Could you expand on this job a bit?
  • I think it would be nice to establish where Ordo's meetings with Revan on Taris took place.
    • I did mention the Lower City and the Undercity in the appropriate sections. Were you referring to another part? JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 05:27, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
      • Yeah, sorry for not making myself clear. I actually wanted you to add that they met in Javyar's Cantina after Canderous contacted Revan. I've added it myself now.
  • I believe {{GameLSmechanics}} is appropriate in the section describing his encounter with Jagi and possibly elsewhere if you see fit.
  • Likewise, please mention the alternate solutions to the Jagi encounter in the Bts.
  • Unexpectedly, Sith assassins assaulted the Mandalorian camp during before they could launch So was it during or before?
  • Ordo was delighted to meet the Jedi Guardian who the Mandalorians believed would have led the Republic forces in the Mandalorian Wars, "Would have" implies that he didn't in fact lead the Republic forces. If this is the case, what prevented him from leading the Republic forces, and most importantly, why did the Mandalorians think he was so worthy of leading them?
  • If Canderous-class tanks appear in Fate of the Jedi: Allies, shouldn't it be added to "Appearances" as an indirect mention similar to Empire at War?
  • Great job. A very interesting read. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 20:58, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
Minor tidbits
  • Explicitly not an objection, but do you think the article could use a picture of the cut (well, not so much cut as hidden) Epic Beard-alorian Canderous from KOTOR 2 in the BTS section? All the ones we had seem to have been deleted, but I can probably get another. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 22:35, April 9, 2011 (UTC)
    • Yeah I think that would be a nice addition. I think it may actually have been there at one point, but was probably removed after the image was deleted. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 01:49, April 10, 2011 (UTC)
      • Found the shot we had previously, and the system actually let me undelete it rather than throwing up an error, much to my amazement. If you'd like a more sterile version, I'll see about reinstalling KOTOR2 and getting one, but I think this is fine for BTS. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 15:04, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
Cavarous of Clan One
  • Intro: Ordo encountered his former enemy, Revan, although neither recognized the other, as Revan was suffering from amnesia and now served as a Republic soldier. As there appears to be no meeting of the two prior to this date, the fact that Revan didn't recognise Ordo should be removed as he never met him previously.
  • Jedi Civil War: In the last paragraph, you state that Ordo purchased T3-M4, but then go on to say that he gave Revan instructions on how to obtain him. A little more clarification is needed as by stating that T3 was bought places him in Ordo's possession which appears to not be the case. - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 12:07, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
  • A few more things; his appearance (hair colour, etc) need to be worked into the PT section since it is currently only infobox-only information.
    • Added a sentence regarding his hair color, not sure if anything else needs to be included. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 23:56, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
  • Regarding his ability boosters/ cybernetics: are there any specific articles for them, or should they be created? Also, in the equipment section: his implants included selective ability boosters that Ordo could activate as needed without fear of damage. What abilities could he boost? - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 09:25, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
    • I don't think Canderous' personal implants warrant separate articles, as they are mostly a game mechanic and only mentioned in passing in actual dialogue. The cybernetics articles should be sufficient explanation for those. I did include examples of abilities he could boost with said implants though. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 23:56, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
The Dolphin
  • There are a few images like this and that one that could be used instead of the nondescript Basilisk and Dxun images. Otherwise, great work! Also, be sure to leave me a message on my talk page after fixing this, because I might forget to check it myself otherwise. ;)--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 18:19, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
    • I don't feel either of these images are a particularly good fit, as the first is rather plain and the second one was already specifically removed because Canderous was never canonically stated to have used Cassus Fett's armor. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 19:00, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
      • All right, but a plain image like the first one is still better than one that doesn't have the character in it. And I think there are a few other images of Candy in the gallery.--ID-21 Dolphin DolphinJedi(Talk) 20:47, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
        • The first image is largely the same as another image already used on the page, and most of the others in the gallery feature him using equipment he isn't canonically confirmed to. While the Dxun and Basilisk images don't feature Canderous, they are more pertinent to their respective sections and I personally feel fit the article better. If the Inqs disagree I'd be more than happy to replace them with better images should any be found. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 06:29, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
        • Objection(s) overridden by Inquisitorius 00:52, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
Clone fly-by
  • Real quickie: please add the before-years and after-years to the succession box, since they're suggested by the Layout Guide. CC7567 (talk) 00:59, July 2, 2011 (UTC)
    • Fixed, although because both the preceding and succeeding Mandalore have uncertain dates for their time in power I was uncertain if should use rough dates or "circa" in this case. If so please let me know and I'll get on it, otherwise I've already included the exact dates where known. JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 00:25, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 20:23, July 4, 2011 (UTC)

I am waiting on a screenshot request for the Equipment section, so if that's a concern don't worry, it will be dealt with!

  • You might be interested to have a birth year for him to 4,014 BBY, per this forum post by Chris Avellone. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 00:03, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
    • I appreciate the help but unfortunately Avellone says he's 63 in Mandalorian years, and we unfortunately have no idea what any difference might be. Thanks though! JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 20:48, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
      • How I take it, it says "63 years of tough Mandalorian life", although this flu might fool my brains. –Tm_T (Talk) 21:32, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
        • IMO, the most logical interpretation of "Mandalorian years" is local year on planet Mandalore, which is 366 standard days long, according to the Atlas. So it is just 2 days shorter than the standard year. Darth Morrt 20:55, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
          • Personally that makes a lot of logical sense to me as well, but we have no idea if the Mandalorians measure years the same way we/the rest of the galaxy does. I know it seems a bit silly but for all we know their years could be two seasonal cycles or some other weird variation, so unless we get absolute confirmation we probably can't assume. If the Inqs feel otherwise I'd be more than happy to change it though! JethLordMasterYing yang copy (Xia Order) 04:19, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
  • I know I asked you to add the GameLS template, but upon closer examination, I believe you can actually remove it. Jagi's CSWE entry canonizes the suicide outcome, although it says that he lost the duel and took his life rather than return to Mandalore in defeat. Here's the template if you want to source it to the CSWE. {{CSWECite|II|133-134|Jagi}} QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 16:22, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
  • Just a note: IRC consensus obtained to strike ID-21 Dolphin's remaining objection. CC7567 (talk) 00:52, July 2, 2011 (UTC)