Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Buick

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Buick

• Nominated by: ^Jorrel_Fraajic 20:54, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
• Nomination comments: I was moved into action by 4dot's Max.

(5 Inqs/1 Users/6 Total)

Support

1. A flying car!? Stupid Back to the Future copycats..... DC 01:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
2. —Tommy9281 ^{(Peace is a lie)} 01:36, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
3. Objections sorted partially in IRC. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 02:22, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
4. Entertaining. - Cavalier One^{(Squadron channel)} 11:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
5. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
6. I have an unnatural and probably unhealthy love for this kind of article. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 02:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Because Jorrel Fraajic likes to torture himself so others can't:
   • Needs way better images (and more of them) - If there's anyone, anyone who has any of the games and the ability to screencap consoles, contact me here or on my talk page (or in IRC, even). ^Jorrel_Fraajic 21:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
     • While I have placed newer, higher quality images, they're all from the same source (original RS). I'm quite pleased with them and if I have no alternatives I'll use just them, but if there's a way for someone to grab them from the other games, the above request stands. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 20:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
2. Well too bad...
   • Ref tag in intro.
     • Allowed because I make no reference to it later.
   • possibly suggesting the use of dovin basals for propulsion. Unless there's a specific source for that, its speculation.....
     • Well... dovin basals allowed a ship to travel without any external engines, right? Isn't that source enough? :P Nah, I'll fix it. Kinda disappointed it didn't last one objector, though.
   • First, a swinging Max head, from the classic adventure series Sam and Max. Second, a bobblehead monkey, reminiscent of the adventure series Monkey Island. Both of those are fragments. DC 22:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
     • Good point. Fixed. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 01:10, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
3. File:Buick.jpg is a tad low quality. --Imperialles 05:25, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
   • See the first objection. :P I totally agree, though, and am working feverishly to track down a way to get a better one. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 05:37, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
     • Better one found, placed instead of File:Buick.jpg: File:Buick.jpg. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 20:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
4. From the desk of Atarumaster88
   • "Its construct was a unique design in the galaxy, as it apparently came from outside known space." Speculation.
     • Not really, if you look at the initial quote. Got rid of weasel word though.
   • "its use dropped off around the same time the Rebellion defeated the Imperials at the Battle of Endor in 4 ABY. The starfighter was seen again as late as 10 ABY before once again fading into obscurity." Speculation.
     • Not really... the missions it's usable in all stop at the BOE, except for one that takes place on Mon Calamari 6 years later. Suggestions on how to repair?
       • I wouldn't say anything about fading into obscurity, since no source says whether or not it was used beyond those instances. This is like saying Nall died on Taris . . . it's not confirmed, so you can't say it. I would cut/reword anything that indicates it fell out of use, and just state when it was used. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 03:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
         • Thanks for the suggestions. I've adjusted as necessary. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 04:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
   • "the hull was also described as being heavily armored, protecting the pilot and any passengers." Vary up one described in this sentence.
     • Described --> Noted
   • "whose most notable attribute was its oddly bobbing head.[4]" POV.
     • Removed POV-ish word.
   • "Strangely, this only seemed to affect the later model of car.[2]" This obviously isn't a car.
     • Technically, it's referred to as a "car". Whether or not it matches our car isn't known, but it is described as a "car" in official sources. Also, car.
   • Is this vehicle shown canonically jumping to hyperspace, or is that an assumption?
     • Several missions in which it is able to partake in require no other Alliance ship presence. Also, IIRC, there's a thing of dialogue in the mission briefing that states something along the lines of "you will get to your location via hyperspace".
   • Reference note 6 is original research. 5 is pushing it.
     • Removed ref 6. 5 has no other explanation.
   • "It wasn't until 10 ABY, during the time of the First Battle of Mon Calamari, that the Buick resurfaced. Shortly after, though, it again faded into non-use" Is this explicitly canon? If not, it's original research.
     • It's ambiguous: it doesn't actually show up after the Battle of Endor in any other battles until the Mon Calamari battle. Like I stated before, if you have suggestions on how to fix, I'm willing to fix it.
       • See above. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 03:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
         • You too. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 04:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
   • Redlink in references.
     • Fixed.
   • "Originally used in a purely atmospheric manner, the Buick was almost identical in function to Naboo's security forces' V-19 landspeeder, where it performed as a landspeeder" Clarify.
     • Clarified.
   • "The engines would quickly catch up, however, and would allow the pilot to regain control and movement." Reword.
     • Reworded.
   • "The latest tweaks to the Buick's interior included two decorative ornaments:" How do we know those are the latest?
     • Hmm. Looks like I was going by actual gameplay, not timewise-line. Fixed.
   • "multiple seats allowed seating for multiple passengers" Redundant wording.
     • Redundancy removed.
   • That's round 1. Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 19:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
     • Thanks, Ataru. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 20:39, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
   • "While its main role was dogfighting, its advanced systems and devices allowed it to take on installations, larger starships, and planet-bound structures. " Is it specifically said to be primarily an anti-starfighter weapon?
     • Not specifically stated, no. However, its mission profiles, as well as knowledge on the ship it replaces (and keeps the stats from), the RZ-1 A-wing interceptor, provide proof towards this description.
       • That would seem to contradict the information about the ground-based/airspeeder variants. I would like to see this describe that there were several different configurations of the Buick, each with a particular use, rather than flat-out say a primary mission role. What you have at the moment is the equivalent of saying that, say, an F.15 Eagle's role is primarily air-to-air combat; that completely ignores the F-15E strike variant. I have adjusted the article accordingly. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 15:11, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
   • "and were largely visible from any angle" Reword.
     • Removed.
   • "detailing a specific readout of the Buick" Reword.
     • Removed specific, added "different" - think the control panel of a car.
   • Do we know what the interior looked like in the Naboo defense time-frame? It seems to me that would be pertinent information to add, since all the refs in that section are from the RS games.
     • No, and I've been meaning to find out. It will be taken care of once I get to the desktop. Also, much of that section has been further fleshed out with information from BfN.
       • Alright, there really are no good shots of the Buick's inside from BfN, and, as such, very little detail. It's mostly all the same as RSII's interior. I did re-source on of the old refs using what information I did gather. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 01:36, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
   • "There were, however, two glowing lights that may have been the endings of the engines, as their continual glow was reminiscent of other engines at the time." Speculation
     • I've seen worse go through undetected before, but I've changed anyway. Besides, I found out that they are indeed engines. (You would've really hated my "possibly suggesting the use of dovin basals for propulsion" line :P )
   • "In space combat, it was largely responsible for engaging in dogfights with enemy unit" Same as above, is it stated to be a primarily anti-starfighter weapon?
     • Per above.
   • Does not appear to have the full list of categories.
     • One thing I forgot from the addition of that Naboo game to the sources. Should have all (or close to all)
   • Okay, that should be all the objections from me. May your day be just as Super, Terrific, Friendly, and Un-frustrating as before. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 15:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
     • It had better be. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 17:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
5. The Anvil:
   • You have several instances of repitition of statements, whether slightly changed or exact. Example: "A very compact hyperdrive was installed on the craft, allowing it to travel to distant places without the need for additional support craft or units; in this way, it was entirely possible for the craft to act autonomously.", and "The installation of the hyperdrive allowed it freedom to work as its own unit." Please comb over and change, so as to avoid redundancy.
     • I think I have addressed the repetitive redundancy. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 16:43, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
6. Toprawa:
   • Intro objections:
     • This is ORish, and a bit confusing. How do we know it was "very basic" compared to other ships? And what exactly does "little in the way of displays or buttons" mean? Do other space vehicles have these? Please clarify: "The interior of the Buick was very basic when compared to other ships of its era, possessing little in the way of displays or buttons"
       • Cleaned up a bit.
     • The second intro paragraph, per our discussions of "modifications" and "upgrades" in IRC, needs to be handled as such. Specifically, I find:
       • "Later upgrades added several systems"
         • Removinated.
       • "The convertible was originally restricted to only planetside combat "
         • Gone.
       • "its systems were advanced so that the vessel could function at higher altitudes as an airspeeder."
         • Removed
       • "Soon after, its systems were once again upgraded" Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:56, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
         • Another statement detailing how it's not there anymore. Thanks! ^Jorrel_Fraajic 17:59, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
   • Before I move into the "Description" section, the "Role" section is inappropriate given that this is an article about an individual ship and not a ship class. All relevant information in that section should be merged into the Description section. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:32, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
     • Yeah, I recall having encountered this objection on some other article. I recall fixing it, but either I'm crazy or Wikia lost the edit (or I didn't push save). It's taken care of, now. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 17:51, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
   • The Battle of Naboo link in the introduction leads to a disambig page. Please link to a more specific article.
     • I 1-up'd you: 2 specific articles have now been linked ;)
   • Please specify who this person is, and in what year would probably be relevant: "Described as a classic vessel by at least one person"
     • Specified.
   • This is still OR/speculation despite your reference note explaining this. Rather than asserting this into the article, a BTS explanation would be best: "The car also contained a unique atmosphere retention device, allowing the pilot to survive when exposed to empty space when the top was down." Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
     • Eh, I just got rid of it. I might re-add it into the BtS at some time, but for now it's out. Also, all instances of "modified" have been removed (unless I missed one or two somewhere). Thanks for the review (again)! ^Jorrel_Fraajic 15:30, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
7. *Why speculate here? You say definitively that it did participate in these events previously: "where it may have participated in ground-based missions surrounding the events of the Battle of Naboo."
   • • The definitely is in the wrong here. I've removed it.
   • Likewise please fix that same disambig link
     • Done.
   • You say it turned up in the hands of the Naboo Security Forces, but was piloted by a battle droid. Does anything ever explicitly link it to the Naboo?
     • There's the fact it receives Naboo orders, fights against the Trade Federation, and is essentially the Gian speeder with a different paint job.
   • Can we be more specific and say it was attached to a Mon Calamari Cruiser? I'm pretty sure every hangar ever seen in these games is part of a Mon Cal ship: " The Rebellion stored it in different hangars"
     • Good point.
   • Please apply the appropriate link to the video game and not the squadron article: "present throughout every game in the Rogue Squadron series of games"
     • Disregarded per IRC.
   • This is pretty trivial. I'd prefer to see this just removed: " In the Nintendo 64 version of Star Wars: Rogue Squadron, a glitch causes the game to crash if the player pauses the game while flying the Buick.^[1]"
     • Removed
   • Ditto: "the same "pause glitch" occurs in the unlocked PC version."
     • Removed
   • This sentence is unnecessary speculative material, especially given that you proclaim in the very next sentence that it more or less is a 1969 Buick Electra: "It most resembles the 1969 Buick Electra convertible, especially under a comparison of the front ends and grills" Toprawa and Ralltiir 16:08, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
     • Ha ha, remnants of an older copy. Yeah, it's gone now. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 17:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)