Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Atha Prime/Legends

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Atha Prime

  • Nominated by: Thefourdotelipsis 03:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Nomination comments: Boo sucks to this field. No one uses it. :P

(5 Inqs/0 Users/5 Total)

Support

  1. Inqvote --Eyrezer 11:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
  2. Inqvote Lord Hydronium 02:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  3. Inqvote I like the Shadowspawn connection. Chack Jadson (Talk) 21:39, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  4. Inqvote Somehow I missed the huge cut template at the top of the article and thought this was all canon... —Xwing328(Talk) 05:17, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
  5. Inqvote Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

  1. Give some context on what the dark worlds mentioned in the intro are. Since there is apparently little info available, maybe just create a stub. This is a very nice job, Fourdot. Another unique idea from the man who brought us Mt. Sorrow and Burl Ives. Chack Jadson (Talk) 14:23, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Much as I'd love to, there really is no information on them. And this time I mean it. :P It's just a throwaway line in the Kenner description...and...yeah, I don't even know what the hell it's supposed to mean. And a stub would consist of "Dark worlds were...a group of worlds...that may or may not have been dark in some way." :P I think since this is cut content readers will probably let it slide, but I'll think about ways to perhaps make that work better. Thefourdotelipsis 14:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  2. Toprawa:
    • Please disregard my comment below, I think I understand now where I was unclear. Since this is a canonical article, as I'm interpreting this, that is, it does contain elements of verifiable canon, I don't see a reason to include the OOU explanation in the intro. If this article was completely cut/non-canon material, that would be a different story. But he is canon, yes?
      • No, "Atha Prime" is certainly not canon at this stage, but the "genetics terrorist" inspired by him (and meant to be him, but that's beyond our limits) is. Everything in his bio is non-canon. In fact, it's lower than non-canon, since it wasn't even published in any form, really.
        • Ok. I'm still a bit unclear what his Indirect mention is in Aliens in the Empire, which is where this canonical unidentified genetic terrorist is coming from. Is this mention OOU? Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:05, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
          • The mention is IU, Abel has explained that it's intended to be a reference to Atha Prime. That's in the link the AITE bit in the BTS is sourced to. Thefourdotelipsis 03:57, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Please kill the red link in your sources/refs sections Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
    • His involvement with Palpatine before his death at Endor and his exile/return would give him at least a Reb era tag, if not an Imp one as well.
    • Let's not speculate on this "vague" reference, as Pena put it. If you can't say it as a matter of fact, I suggest remove, or otherwise stick it in the BTS somehow or maybe even ref note it: "and possibly supplied him with the clone stormtroopers he would later use to attempt his Anti-Sith coup"
    • Jedi came out in 1983. If anything, this should read a year and a half, not two: "In 1984, two years after the release of Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi"
    • It seems like you're referring to the one toy line, here. Please clarify: "At first, most of the figures in the lines"
    • The way this Aliens in the Empire deal is described to me, as in Prime's reference within is IU, makes it seem like it has a canonical element to it. If this is really an intended reference to him, but not necessarily established canon, please somehow note next to Aliens in the source list that is is a non-canon mention Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:54, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Approved as a Featured article by Inquisitorius 01:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

  • This isn't your average fare ladies and gents, and as such, you'll notice that the intro is a touch on the unorthodox side. Well, that's because this article isn't so much about the would-be IU info, as it is the OOU development info...so that's my rationalization there. So, if you have reasons why it should not be treated differently, go ahead, but please don't just blindly apply established standards to this, because it just won't work. Thefourdotelipsis 03:03, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
  • From the cockpit of Xwing328 (No, these are not objections. I don't really have any.)
    1. I see no reason to keep the OOU info at the start of the Bts section, but if you insist on pushing our boundaries...
    2. Ok, you've got me here. Tarkin survived Yavin? I'd like to see an explanation on this (not in Atha's article of course) before I vote. —Xwing328(Talk) 04:13, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
      • It's sourced with a pertinent document. Basically, Kenner wanted to resurrect Tarkin and have him be the main Imperial villain in their new plotline. And failed. :P There's no real details on just how he survives Yavin, however. Just that he does. Thefourdotelipsis 07:03, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I guess I'm not fully understanding what's happening in this article. Part of it's cut content, I understand, but it also appears that he makes other, canonical appearances, which you seem to treat as such. So is this 100% non-canon? Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:53, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Hope 4dot doesn't mine me answering for him, but everything about Atha is cut. There's the unidentified genetic terrorist that Abel intended to be him, but since that particular connection was cut too it's being treated as a separate article. - Lord Hydronium 23:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)