Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/4-LOM/Legends

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4-LOM

(5 Inqs/4 Users/9 Total)

Support

1. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 21:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
2. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
3. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 23:23, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
4. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 03:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
5. Cull Tremayne 22:29, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
6. Greyman^(Paratus) 21:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
7. JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 21:53, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
8. Sorry for taking so long on this. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 21:43, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
9. Graestan^(Talk) 21:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Toprawa
   • This sounds cheesy: "Just after 4-LOM steeled himself to steal"
   • Forgot something here: "Zuckuss was able to tap into the of an old coral reef"
   • Reword this. Kind of weasely sounding: "the natives did not initially appear to"
     • This still sounds a bit confusing: "the natives did initially register him and allowed him to walk through their village unhindered."
       • Hopefully better now -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 23:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
         • Much better. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:13, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
   • Reword so the "and's" don't become obtrusive: "managed to find much information on 12-4C-41 and was returning it to Jabba, and 4-LOM decided to ambush the hunter en route to Jabba's Palace"
   • You should probably reword this, unless its an IU axiom that his experiences are unknown; i.e., does the IU galaxy really not know his whereabouts, or is there simply nothing published covering this time? "4-LOM's exploits for this time period are unknown, though eventually, Zuckuss left the Guild to continue his career alongside 4-LOM"
   • You said earlier that the two were "friends." Which is it?: "the two had formed a bond of sorts"
   • I would rephrase this. His title was more of an honorary title. He held no real position in the Rebellion by 3 ABY: "Han Solo—now a high-ranking officer in the Rebellion&mdash"
   • Find the actual number. I think it was 26, or something. And also explain how they were restrained in the number they could take due to the amount of air on their ship. "take the two dozen or so Rebels aboard"
   • Was it not Rieekan? "A Rebel general"
   • I'm pretty sure it was the Redemption. You should specify: "During his stay on the Rebel ship,"
   • Check for me that the ship they are on is actually the "flagship" of the fleet. I'm not so sure: "on the Rebel flagship"
   • This is unnecessary: "Zuckuss believed his companion, though Skywalker's opinions on the prospects of such a phenomena occurring went undocumented"
   • Avoiding using this sentence construction in consecutive sentences: "Tagge's plot was foiled, though the two bounty hunters"
   • Avoid using "then," like this, the ultimate indicator of PBP: "4-LOM and his partner then joined up"
   • This description just seems out of place: "the former protocol droid made repairs to himself..."
   • This transition is kind of rocky: "4-LOM and the others were able to escape from their imprisonment and he continued capturing bounties, no matter how unethical his employers were."
   • Cheesy: "so that 4-LOM could be reactivated. Reactivated, 4-LOM helped"
   • Reword this empty construction. Not the best way to start off a new section: "It proved to be the last time"
   • Avoid saying things are unknown unless, again, it is a true IU axiom: "His further exploits are unknown"
   • Specify what this "thing" is: "the whole thing"
   • You've ordered the appearances list by way of 4-LOM's own involvement in each source. Make sure you reorder them to by way of chronological order in respect to the stories themselves, not the character.
     • Which ones are incorrect? -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 13:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
   • Also, the sources list is apparently not in correct order. GG10 was published before GG3? Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:42, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
     • I fixed the most obvious cases but will check it thoroughly this evening. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 13:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
   • Make sure the source list in comprehensive. After adding two myself and now seeing that you don't have every Databank entry included, I'm getting the feeling some are lacking. Need to include Databank entries for Zuckuss, Duros and any others missing, as well as any info there might be in those entries. Also, make sure 4-LOM isn't mentioned in any Wizards articles. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
     • I've added a few, but will check more thoroughly this evening. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 13:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
     • All addressed, bar the ones I've commented on.-- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 13:36, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
       • What remains to be done: Source list is still lacking at least one Databank entry. Go to SW.com and search "4-LOM" and you'll see what comes up;. Additionally, make sure you order the GG's by way of their second edition release. I know the second edition of GG3 came out in 1996, which I'm sure is after Movie Trilogy Sourcebook. Check on GG10, too. Appearances list is not in chronological order. I'm not sure about the others, particularly Galaxies, but IG-88's TBH story begins in something like 11 BBY, yet you have it listed per 4-LOM's involvement in 3 ABY. Check all. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:03, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
         • While 4-LOM for some reason appears in the excerpt of Duros in the DB when you search for him, he's not actually in the entry itself, so I've left that out. I've revised the sources section and it is in the right order, assuming the respective works' articles are correct. I've checked the appearances and made some minor moves, but it is in the correct order. As for the IG-88 thing, I conferred with Graestan in IRC, and he indicated that precedent is to have it where subject first appears. So I've kept that where it was. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 23:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
2. From Graestan the Mighty:
   • Check linking. Pointing at Culator and AWB won't cut it.
     • I'll look over it later.
     • I think I've sorted it. If not, could you point me at anywhere it's off, or somesuch?
   • File:4-LOM.jpg is too fuzzy. If it cannot be replaced, I don't really want to see it in the infobox.
     • See below.
     • Swapped with other pic, though I'm not entirely happy with this. Culator's uploaded a better version which should suffice.
   • The NEGtD and NEGtC images are pretty redundant.
     • If a better screenshot is not available, I'll swap it with a cropped version of the NEGtD one.
     • See above.
   • Ell Oh Em? You don't use the acronym form?
     • I've never seen it used anywhere for 4-LOM. I'll look into it.
     • Nevermind, I got confused. I do use it; someone else was missing with it.
   • "Embra's team of bounty hunters were the first to arrive and look up Webble Vagabond Registration Office"—Uhh…
     • Fixed.
   • The Knowledge Bank wasn't a coral reef.
     • Addressed.
   • Sensor mask would make for a great, if short, article.
     • Did what I could with it.
   • BtS:
     • "He has since appeared in several other sources, most of them comics, with a varying personality."—Needs to be sourced.
     • "among other sources"—Needs to be sourced or dropped.
     • "later canon established that 4-LOM was actually on his way to the Rebel rendezvous point during the events of The Empire Strikes Back"—Please source this; it's interesting.
       • Sourced BtS. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 17:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
   • Graestan^(Talk) 03:06, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Approved by Inquisitorius 21:46, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

• Again, Redemption has ordered Underworld and will reupload poor quality image. -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 21:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
  • As I said above with Isard, the comic isn't printed all that great and so artifacts will be present. Nothing can be done about it. --Redemption^(Talk) 21:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

1. From the desk of Atarumaster88
   • Did the Rebels on Bright Hope actually start firing on 4-LOM? Could just be my bad memory of that particular story, but I don't recall.
     • Yes, Farr says she heard shots fired on the ship while she's in the cell.
   • The use of the adjective "extremely" should be limited to the most "extreme" circumstances. It's a mite overused IMHO.
     • Axed nearly all of them.
   • Sensor mask is not linked.
     • Is now.
   • "4-LOM was possessed of incredible intellect and artificial intelligence and was able to provide odds on the outcome of nearly any situation, present or future; this, coupled with Zuckuss's uncanny findsman abilities, made for a deadly bounty hunting team." POVish in the extreme.
     • Toned it down some.
   • The Hyperspace article "Bug Eyed" has no useful info? Somewhat hard to believe, and it should probably be listed in the appearances, unless I'm missing something.
     • It's just a close-up image of 4-LOM's eye.
   • Pretty good article, just go easy with some of the flowery descriptive terms. Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88 ^{(Talk page)} 23:28, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
     • I'll bear that in mind. Thanks for your comments and input -- AdmirableAckbar ^(Talk) 21:16, 25 February 2008 (UTC)