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Unidentified space battle (Saesee Tiin)
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- I hope that this not the only unidentified CW battle article. Clone Commander Lee Talk 10:13, December 28, 2011 (UTC)
Ah, if only we had more nice articles about the good Clone Wars.--Cal Jedi
(Personal Comm Channel) 04:13, December 30, 2011 (UTC)- "I'm on your tail, Red Leader." Corellian Premier
All along the watchtower 01:36, December 31, 2011 (UTC) - NaruHina Talk
04:05, January 9, 2012 (UTC) - Looks good.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 18:22, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
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Could you find a way to introduce the Providence-class vessels into the body, so they're not infobox-exclusive?Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 18:22, December 30, 2011 (UTC)
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If it was part of the Outer Rim Seiges, wouldn't that place the battle in the Outer Rim? It's still hy-uge, but it's still more specific than general "space."NaruHina Talk 07:53, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Per Chee, it was part of Anakin's exploits during the Outer Rim Sieges. JangFett (Talk) 08:56, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Then the article should reflect that it took place "somewhere in the Outer Rim" rather than "somewhere in space." NaruHina Talk 09:20, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, we do not know if it was in the Outer Rim at the time of the battle. All we know is that it was part of the Outer Rim Sieges. JangFett (Talk) 17:40, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- That I can go with. Tiin jaunted off to the Mid Rim to get some ice cream, I bet. NaruHina Talk 00:21, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
- That I can go with. Tiin jaunted off to the Mid Rim to get some ice cream, I bet. NaruHina Talk
- Unfortunately, we do not know if it was in the Outer Rim at the time of the battle. All we know is that it was part of the Outer Rim Sieges. JangFett (Talk) 17:40, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Then the article should reflect that it took place "somewhere in the Outer Rim" rather than "somewhere in space." NaruHina Talk
- Per Chee, it was part of Anakin's exploits during the Outer Rim Sieges. JangFett (Talk) 08:56, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
Skywalker was in both the previous and subsequent battles. I think they should be mentioned in the body as where he was coming from and where he was going.NaruHina Talk 08:00, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Because we do not know the order of these exploits, assuming they take place in chronological order by stating so in the article is speculation, and is not needed for the article. If it comes down to removing the previous and next battle in the infobox, I will remove them, otherwise there is simply no information for a prelude or aftermath section. JangFett (Talk) 08:56, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Though it's been a while since I've seen it, I don't believe this series was presented in anachronistic order. It's not speculation to work with a series in chronological order if it's never been referred to as anything different. That's especially the case here since, apparently, they all took place in the same episode. NaruHina Talk 09:20, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- We cannot assume this, especially now with the unestablished timeline of the CW. Unless something will be confirmed in the future, there is simply no chronological order of these battles. We don't even know if these battles are related to one and another. JangFett (Talk) 17:40, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- There is no conflict with new sources here. TCW affects when Ani got knighted and events of 21 BBY (yes, and other things not currently relevant). It hasn't even touched the Outer Rim Sieges, 20 BBY, yet to my knowledge and he was already a Knight by that episode. The presence of continuity problems in the war does not mean that we have to assume—yes, assume—that there's something wrong with this battle continuity-wise. Disregarding that SW:CW is chronological, the main point here is that they happened in one episode. I do acknowledge the screen wipes after having watched the episode again, but I don't think that presents a problem. Those wipes are in everything and we've never looked at them twice. Unless you're telling me that we're interpereting WP:ATT to mean if I'm reading a book that has one battle at the beginning, another in the middle, and one more at the end that I cannot attribute them to that order when no-one at LucasFilm has said to do so I'm not understanding the issue here. NaruHina Talk 00:21, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
- Naru, we do not know the order of these battles. That is the end of this discussion. JangFett (Talk) 13:34, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
- Talked it over on the IRC with Menk. I agree that there's enough of a disconnect between these to omit them from the body as Anakin could have done other things between them. However, I still see no reason to treat chronology within sources as anything but linear unless told otherwise by the story itself or some other source. Otherwise, everything from ANH could be one big, continuity snarl held together only by supplemental material reaffirming that course of events and we've never noticed before. Well, an unmanageable continuty snarl. NaruHina Talk 04:05, January 9, 2012 (UTC)
- Talked it over on the IRC with Menk. I agree that there's enough of a disconnect between these to omit them from the body as Anakin could have done other things between them. However, I still see no reason to treat chronology within sources as anything but linear unless told otherwise by the story itself or some other source. Otherwise, everything from ANH could be one big, continuity snarl held together only by supplemental material reaffirming that course of events and we've never noticed before. Well, an unmanageable continuty snarl. NaruHina Talk
- Naru, we do not know the order of these battles. That is the end of this discussion. JangFett (Talk) 13:34, January 4, 2012 (UTC)
- There is no conflict with new sources here. TCW affects when Ani got knighted and events of 21 BBY (yes, and other things not currently relevant). It hasn't even touched the Outer Rim Sieges, 20 BBY, yet to my knowledge and he was already a Knight by that episode. The presence of continuity problems in the war does not mean that we have to assume—yes, assume—that there's something wrong with this battle continuity-wise. Disregarding that SW:CW is chronological, the main point here is that they happened in one episode. I do acknowledge the screen wipes after having watched the episode again, but I don't think that presents a problem. Those wipes are in everything and we've never looked at them twice. Unless you're telling me that we're interpereting WP:ATT to mean if I'm reading a book that has one battle at the beginning, another in the middle, and one more at the end that I cannot attribute them to that order when no-one at LucasFilm has said to do so I'm not understanding the issue here. NaruHina Talk
- We cannot assume this, especially now with the unestablished timeline of the CW. Unless something will be confirmed in the future, there is simply no chronological order of these battles. We don't even know if these battles are related to one and another. JangFett (Talk) 17:40, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
- Though it's been a while since I've seen it, I don't believe this series was presented in anachronistic order. It's not speculation to work with a series in chronological order if it's never been referred to as anything different. That's especially the case here since, apparently, they all took place in the same episode. NaruHina Talk
- Because we do not know the order of these exploits, assuming they take place in chronological order by stating so in the article is speculation, and is not needed for the article. If it comes down to removing the previous and next battle in the infobox, I will remove them, otherwise there is simply no information for a prelude or aftermath section. JangFett (Talk) 08:56, January 2, 2012 (UTC)
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