Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Hadrium alloy

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Hadrium alloy

Nominated by: JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 17:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
Nomination comments: Damn you, De Agostini!
Date Archived: 03:23, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
Final word count: 291 words (0 introduction, 109 body, 182 behind the scenes)
Word count at nomination time: 73 words (0 introduction, 29 body, 44 behind the scenes)
Word count at nomination time: 217 words (0 introduction, 68 body, 149 behind the scenes)
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Support

Love to see it. OOM 224 (he/him/they) 18:34, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
CometSmudge (talk) 22:55, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
Wok142 (talk) 03:10, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Object

Comet

~~It looks like the blaster pistol itself has a lot of picture only sources, plus an appearance in Visions, that aren't listed here. Is there a reason why you're not including those?~~
- The Visions appearance I left off because I can't stand Visions. Seriously, I just completely overlooked that when I copied over the appearances list from the KYD page. Appearances is one thing, listing everywhere the pistol appears. I was iffy on adding the picture only sources because they aren't really sources for the alloy. Just the blaster itself. For that reason, I wasn't sure they belonged here. And I still don't know if I think they do. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 21:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
  - ~~If the alloy is visible in those sources, they do need to be included with (Picture only)~~
    - Done. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 22:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
      - Just want to make sure, did you check all the sources listed to see if its pictured? There are some sources present on the blaster's page that aren't listed here that seem like they probably include a picture. CometSmudge (talk) 22:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
        OK, I have finally been able to track down scans or digital editions of all the sources and verified all the ones the blaster is pictured in are added. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 03:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
  - The visions appearance should be covered in the BTS, I believe with Template:Visionsstart and Template:Visionsend. The ambiguous canonicity template also shouldn't be used since Visions is confirmed to be non-canon. CometSmudge (talk) 21:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
    - I don't understand why. Every appearance isn't covered and doesn't need to be covered in Bts, why would this one appearance need to be? - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 22:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
      - Sorry, I was unclear about that. Its non-canon in-universe history should be covered in the Bts, since it has info not covered by the canon sources. CometSmudge (talk) 22:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
        Added, but per Lew, the Visionsstart and end temples aren't needed in Bts. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 03:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
~~The page is under a different title, but Hadrium is the legends version, so that has to be noted in the BTS and you'll need to add the canon/legends tabs to the top of the page.~~ CometSmudge (talk) 19:54, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. Wasn't aware there was a Legends counterpart. Tabs added as well as Bts. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 21:08, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
~~The visual dictionary needs its author mentioned in the BTS.~~
- I respectfully disagree. This is the Canon article, not Legends. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!}
  - Precedent is that it should be included, regardless of the continuity. CometSmudge (talk) 22:40, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
    - I do this under protest. IMO, it's rediculous for precedent requiring listing an author for a Legends source to bog down an already bloated Bts that is over 3x the size of the body itself on a Canon subject. People can easily click the link to see who the author is. But it's done. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 03:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
      - Do want to jot down briefly for the record that we don’t have any modern SAs that disclude it, actually, no matter how long, unless there’s over three authors. Precedent may not be policy, but this one is embedded in every status article and it’ll likely be such going forward given the as-complete-as-possible SAN nom rule (which nowadays are only CT-alterable) applies here, which is specific to SANs and hence why it’s not in wider policy. And board members in future noms do/will ask for author, year, and usually one piece of context for what the media type is in all cases or it is considered undercontextualized.—spookywilloww^talk 03:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
~~Except for the publishing date, the info from the visual dictionary should be cited to itself.~~ CometSmudge (talk) 21:43, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 22:16, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
~~Village Bride should have a release date~~ CometSmudge (talk) 04:23, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 04:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
~~Hondo should also have context~~ CometSmudge (talk) 16:02, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- He does. He's the author of the book that includes the illustration of the Wesell holding the blaster made of the alloy. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 23:58, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
  - I don't really think that works as context for him, and other SAs typically give other context to book authors besides them writing a book. CometSmudge (talk) 16:52, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
    - Addressed as discussed on Discord. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 18:50, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

spookly

~~For magazines, the BTS will need the publisher and the series name linked (often formatted as "…the sixty-fourth issue of the [seriesname] magazine…"~~—spookywilloww^talk 20:01, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 21:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
~~The body says it's a type of metal; the infobox has the type field as alloy. It doesn't really matter which is picked, but these need to be consistent.~~

~~AOTC being in 22 BBY isn't directly sourceable to the film.~~

Given this is the canon page, it doesn't make sense to have the first information in the BTS be the Legends information (which technically does need to be called the Legends continuity rather than banner, since the latter is less formal). With the canon status articles we have, the ordering would traditionally introduce the film as it's first appearance, note it was first identified in the current canon in [magazine], and then afterward have any relevant Legends information. This also helps with one other point; the "initially" isn't as optimal to use as it leads the reader to think about this subject, but then pivots to talk about a different page.—spookywilloww^talk 23:02, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- All of the above three objections have been addressed. My initial thinking was listing the Bts stuff in release date order. But it wasn't sitting well with me and I wasn't finding the right wording to put the Legends stuff last. So thank you for that objection. LOL. It actually solved my dilemma and helped me figure out better phrasing. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 00:10, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
~~The BTS now has space for an image since it's been expanded; any of the sources mentioned or even the movie poster work relevance-wise to your preference.~~—spookywilloww^talk 00:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)
- Added. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 03:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Lew

~~The release date for the magazine will need a different source~~ Lewisr (talk) 20:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 21:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
~~I think an IU date for "The Wesell Run" would be worth adding to give some sort of time frame for when the alloy was used~~ Lewisr (talk) 20:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
- Hard to specifically date "The Wesell Run" since it is set sometime within a 10 year span. We know she used it right up until her death in 22 BBY, so that's how I worded it. Does that suffice? - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 21:27, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
  - Yeah that works as well Lewisr (talk) 22:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
I think it'd be beneficial to include (depicted as KYD-21 blaster pistol) in the infobox or something in that wording to indicate the material is being depicted in the form of a blaster, see Vernestra Rwoh's family group for example Lewisr (talk) 22:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 05:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
- I did remove this as the image now only depicts the alloy instead of the entire blaster. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 04:38, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
~~Similar to how oro-weave mentions about its depiction in Rose's IU journal, the IU depiction in Hondo's The Secrets of the Bounty Hunters should be noted~~ Lewisr (talk) 03:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done, and thanks for the help on this. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 04:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
  - No worries, it just needs to include the IU year the book was made Lewisr (talk) 15:33, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
    - Done. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 23:55, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
Spotted that it's also depicted in Star Wars: Alien Archive, which will also need to note it's IU depiction, would suggest looking at other SA's to see what to use, but one example is Ardennia#History Lewisr (talk) 16:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 21:01, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
I also noticed a few other sources missing as Pos, for example Star Wars Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded, Star Wars Character Encyclopedia, New Edition, and Star Wars: Character Encyclopedia, Updated and Expanded Edition. Would probably be worth checking these to be sure of getting what you can Lewisr (talk) 16:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
- Gone through them all and filled out the sources list as much as is possible. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 22:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Wok

I believe this is a case where linking to time is not the most appropriate, per a conversation on discord from a while ago. Essentially, the current Time article is really about definition 1 (here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/time) as opposed to definition 2. Wok142 (talk) 22:06, 12 September 2024 (UTC)
- Done - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 05:27, 13 September 2024 (UTC)
~~Any reason you've chosen to make it two separate paragraphs? I think it works fine if they were combined into one.~~ Wok142 (talk) 23:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
- Just to note that was me, but if Jmas wants to change it back then he can of course Lewisr (talk) 23:35, 23 September 2024 (UTC)
  - This one is tough. I can see both arguments, but if it was going to be separated, I think the break should be after mention of her death. Then have both of the illustrated appearances combined into a second paragraph. But that then leaves a fairly small first paragraph. For that reason, I have opted to combine it back into a single paragraph. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 23:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Mor

~~Visions being non-canon can't be sourced to the episode itself.~~ Mor9347 (talk) 04:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)
- Dang it. I knew that and thought I had added it. Fixed. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 04:18, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Comments

~~Hadrian is capitalized in the source, so the 1stID tag is accurate.~~ - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 17:19, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Approved as a Comprehensive article by EduCorps 03:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)