- The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a Comprehensive article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.
Dwartii
- Nominated by: LordMominutiae (talk) 06:26, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Nomination comments: In time, I hope to expand and nominate the other Dwartii-related articles.
(3 ECs/1 Users/4 Total)
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Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:47, January 15, 2020 (UTC)- Zed42 (talk) 06:36, January 17, 2020 (UTC)
- QuiGonJinn
(Talk) 07:09, January 20, 2020 (UTC) - Fan26 (Talk) 19:44, January 22, 2020 (UTC)
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QGJ
You need to check if the subject is mentioned in the audibook. If it is, then it should be added to the appearances list. You can also add an audio file to the lead quote, although that is not a requirement and it won't affect the nomination if you don't.QuiGonJinn(Talk) 06:53, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Ah yeah, forgot audiobooks were being listed separately now. I've confirmed that "Dwartii" is mentioned in it, though I'm not sure if I'll be able to get a clip of the audio for this article, at least not for the moment. LordMominutiae (talk) 07:28, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- I have just added the audio clip. :) Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 16:42, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Hey, thanks! LordMominutiae (talk) 16:57, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- I have just added the audio clip. :)
- Ah yeah, forgot audiobooks were being listed separately now. I've confirmed that "Dwartii" is mentioned in it, though I'm not sure if I'll be able to get a clip of the audio for this article, at least not for the moment. LordMominutiae (talk) 07:28, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
Anil
Although no source establishes an explicit connection between the two, you should at least add that the location shared its name with the Dwartii, along with a brief context for it.- I've been wondering if that "society" and the Four Sages are actually one and the same, considering there's never been any previous mention of "the Dwartii" being a separate group. I looked on Twitter, and while I know we aren't necessarily supposed to treat tweets as canon, Matt Martin said he assumes "the Dwartii" is just referring to the Four Sages. Would that be enough to support the deletion of the Dwartii (society) article? There's never been another mention of a whole "Dwartii" society before that one reference, so it does seem this could just be chalked up to us misinterpreting the book. LordMominutiae (talk) 16:56, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Per Forum:CT:Social media posts as canon sources, social media posts from Lucasfilm Story Group members or Star Wars authors are not valid independent sources of in-universe information. That aside, he didn't even explicitly say that it referred to the Four Sages, an assumption, even from a Story Group member, is not a canonical fact. While I believe Martin's comments should be added to the BTS section of the society article, you can at least say that the location shared its name with a "cultural group" in this article. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 18:21, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- All right, I've gone ahead and updated the page (thanks for adding the template to the society's page). Just curious, I assume we'd need it explicitly stated in a future canonical source that "the Dwartii" is just another name for the Four Sages of Dwartii in order for that to be acknowledged and updated here? LordMominutiae (talk) 18:28, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, we can do that when a source states that "the Dwartii" refers to the Sages. For all we know, the Dwartii could refer to the residents of Dwartii, and the Sages could simply be four Dwartii individuals. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 18:38, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, we can do that when a source states that "the Dwartii" refers to the Sages. For all we know, the Dwartii could refer to the residents of Dwartii, and the Sages could simply be four Dwartii individuals.
- All right, I've gone ahead and updated the page (thanks for adding the template to the society's page). Just curious, I assume we'd need it explicitly stated in a future canonical source that "the Dwartii" is just another name for the Four Sages of Dwartii in order for that to be acknowledged and updated here? LordMominutiae (talk) 18:28, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Per Forum:CT:Social media posts as canon sources, social media posts from Lucasfilm Story Group members or Star Wars authors are not valid independent sources of in-universe information. That aside, he didn't even explicitly say that it referred to the Four Sages, an assumption, even from a Story Group member, is not a canonical fact. While I believe Martin's comments should be added to the BTS section of the society article, you can at least say that the location shared its name with a "cultural group" in this article.
- I've been wondering if that "society" and the Four Sages are actually one and the same, considering there's never been any previous mention of "the Dwartii" being a separate group. I looked on Twitter, and while I know we aren't necessarily supposed to treat tweets as canon, Matt Martin said he assumes "the Dwartii" is just referring to the Four Sages. Would that be enough to support the deletion of the Dwartii (society) article? There's never been another mention of a whole "Dwartii" society before that one reference, so it does seem this could just be chalked up to us misinterpreting the book. LordMominutiae (talk) 16:56, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
Also, as they share the exact same name, a {{Youmay}} template would be nice at the top of the article.I don't think that the last sentence of BTS is necessary.- Yeah, I only added that since the canon Complete Locations is where a good chunk of the canonical info on Dwartii comes from, just to show that that information was kept intact. May not be absolutely necessary, though, so I've gone ahead and removed it. LordMominutiae (talk) 16:56, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- (Reviewing note) As he is not mentioned/linked in the rest of the article, it's okay to pipelink "Emperor Palpatine" in the quote attribution. Internal links should not be added to the quotes themselves. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 16:42, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- Got it. LordMominutiae (talk) 16:56, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
One last thing. Can the entire first sentence be sourced to Complete Locations? If so, that Tarkin ref is redundant here. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 19:47, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- It can, yes, I just wasn't sure if it should be kept since Tarkin was the very first canon source to reference Sistros and the sages. I've gone ahead and taken it out, though. LordMominutiae (talk) 19:54, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- You don't have to use the first source, if the information can be sourced to the source in the reference, it works. Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 23:47, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
- You don't have to use the first source, if the information can be sourced to the source in the reference, it works.
- It can, yes, I just wasn't sure if it should be kept since Tarkin was the very first canon source to reference Sistros and the sages. I've gone ahead and taken it out, though. LordMominutiae (talk) 19:54, January 15, 2020 (UTC)
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Approved as a Comprehensive article by EduCorps 03:10, January 23, 2020 (UTC)