Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Dilonexa I

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Dilonexa I

Nominated by: NaruHina ^Talk 00:25, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
Nomination comments: "What's your favorite thing about Space? Mine is Space."

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- First, see my copyedit, some whitespace changes. (;
- Uh, please please make some attempt to make these articles less identical, otherwise they're not worth having the articles of their own I'd say. –Tm_T ^(Talk) 05:43, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
  - I'd like to second this. There honestly is no point in copypasting a dozen of articles, only replacing the name. 1358 ^(Talk) 08:13, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
    - I could add more templates, but I don't think it's possible to say this completely differently 39 times. I'll give it a shot now that you've asked, but I make no promises about complete individuality across the board. About what kind of ratio of article:template would you prefer should I not be able to change it up every time? Also, I've been talking about this for a while and have had to delay it. If you're concerned about something like this, would you mind talking to me before I put it up next time? Nevertheless, I don't think whether or not they are notable enough to exist at all is an issue here. They're planets. If we have articles on jelly we know nothing about, we should have articles on every planet. NaruHina ^Talk 08:28, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
      - I'm not asking complete individuality, you could express things with different words, or reorder bits or... just as long as they don't look each others' clones like they do now. And about notability, I'm not saying they're not notable enough, but having the exactly same text spread thru 20+ (or, as I assume you're plan being, ~40) articles makes not much sense. I know you can do it. And about talking before, I didn't notice these articles until I checked if I had any objections to be struck in this CAN page, otherwise I would have done it. (: –Tm_T ^(Talk) 09:07, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

Gethralkin^Hyperwave 09:26, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
- Per the comments above and below, How do we know that all the planets follow the naming convention of the 23rd planet? One of them could be named "Bob" and another "Frumwitz" for all we know. I think the fact that they are labelled "Dilonexa (roman numeral)" can be debated, even conjecturally.
  - Sorry to cut in, but I think that they're fair conjectural titles. It's similar to a naming convention I sometimes use for unidentified characters. Maybe a note in the bts of each article that the planet isn't explicitly named is in order, though. Menkooroo 14:50, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
    - I suggest, then, that the articles be renamed, for instance, Unidentified Dilonexan planet 2 or Unidentified Dilonexan planet II, or something similar. That is, of course, if each of the articles can be treated uniquely (see comment below). Gethralkin^Hyperwave 06:06, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
      - I thought about that too, but it's far too cumbersome when we can just name them this way. Unfortunately, I forgot the BTS note I had planned for this, but I'll add it when I overhaul the articles. NaruHina ^Talk 18:17, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
- I also agree with the statements concerning the repetitiveness. It may be better to collectively write about the inner and outer planets in two separate articles than to individualize each of them. At least until future material highlights any one of them, warranting a separate individual and unique article. Until then, Dilonexan hot planets and Dilonexan cold planets sound decent enough. As an example of articles about planet groups, see the Six Sisters, of which only Thyrsus is identifiable enough to create a separate article for. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 09:26, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
  - Sorry to cut in again, but I disagree with the idea of making one article on multiple planets. As long as Naru writes unique articles for each one, I think that what he's done is justified. Menkooroo 14:50, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
    - The problem is the making each of the about 40 planets unique. If there can be a unique individual article for each, then it would be appropriate, but with as little info other than the context in which Lando is involved, whether they are hot or cold, etc., they are basically place holders on the server. 40 of them. Keep in mind that, when a visitor attempts to search for the planet in the Dilonexa system relevant to the story, the relevant planet will not even show up in the tooltip until the appropriate numeral is entered because it will be so far down the list. Also, take into consideration that the planets are only referenced indirectly without being discussed except as collective groups. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 06:06, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
      - We decided a long time ago to have one article per subject. See the relevant Trash Compactor discussion. NaruHina ^Talk 18:17, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
        ~~Hmmm. Dilonexa inner planet 2 and Dilonexa outer planet 25 or Dilonexa's 2nd inner planet and Dilonexa's 25th outer planet, then?~~ (See below fro better suggestion) Gethralkin^Hyperwave 20:03, June 10, 2011 (UTC)
        Sorry, I'm not following you. Could you explain? NaruHina ^Talk 17:43, June 11, 2011 (UTC)
        Naming them using the Roman numeral naming convention implies that they are officially identified by those names. However, that has not been verified by the canon. Therefore, using roman numeral designations seems inappropriate. However, any of the declaring "unidentified" in the name establishes that canon has not confirmed their designations. Following other examples that have been included in Featured and Good Articles, the most appropriate would be to use Unidentified planet 1 (Dilonexa system) through Unidentified planet 22 (Dilonexa system) and Unidentified planet 24 (Dilonexa system) through etc. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 05:34, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
        I think those names are clunky when we could just name them with the roman numerals and leave the BTS note. However, I'll defer if someone seconds you. (Also, don't link to your suggestions like that if you're poviding multiples. It leaves red link artifacts and wanted pages.) NaruHina ^Talk 21:52, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
        Well, one particular thing that following the convention as the examples shown above do, is that when a wookieepedian is trying to reference within another article or search in the search box for the 23rd planet, it is a greater convenience to just type the first four letters—Dilo—to get the tooltip to help finish the title if the other planets that have not individually been canonized are starting with Unidentified..., which are not likely going to be searched out as much as the one that was featured in the story. As it stands there is only room for the tool-tip list to go as far down as the seventh planet, alphabetically, and show the eleventh planet, numerically. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 23:17, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
        A disambiguation page, then! "Dilonexa (disambiguation)" with a link to it at the top of each planet's article. Thoughts, Naru? Menkooroo 04:10, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
        While I still think the roman numerals would be beetter aestetically, practicality must win out in the end. In hindsight, I just don't see a really great way to organize this with the numerals. I'll change them over to the unidentified planet titles after I've finished the rewording. NaruHina ^Talk 19:15, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
        Sounds good. I will strike the above objections in anticipation for the article moves just to keep things moving along. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 18:06, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Bob
- Well, while I'm still uncomfortable making articles for planets that are only obliquely referenced like this, I can live with these articles, I think. However, I think this note in the BTS should be changed: "this article's title assumes that the numeral system used for Dilonexa XXIII was constant throughout the star system." Actually, due to the conjecture tag, the article is not assuming this. The Roman numeral I here is just being used as a convenience, so this note should be altered to reinforce that the planet could be named anything for all we know, or else dropped altogether. ~Savage 22:22, June 12, 2011 (UTC)
- Also, there's a lot of contextual information that could be added based on The Essential Atlas. What larger regions was it a part of? What spheres of influence did it fall under during various galactic conflicts? When did its general region of space become part of the "known galaxy"? I doubt there's all that much here, but it's the type of thing that is particularly pertinent in a planet article, even if all that can be said is stuff like, "by 137 ABY, the planet had fallen within territory considered part of Darth Kraty's empire" or whatever. ~Savage 06:43, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
  - Added what I could find in the images that have been uploaded to the Wook. Do you own the Atlas? If so, could yoou tell me which governments had the area within their spheres of influence? I've been using Iego as a marker: The Centrality is below that to galactic east. I'll try to stop by Borders tomorrow and see if I can peruse it, provieded it isn't in shrinkwrap or something. NaruHina ^Talk 01:48, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
    - One more thing. Would you like me to rephrase this info (should it stay at two sentences) 22 times, or may I paste it to the others? NaruHina ^Talk 01:48, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
      - Another still. Is that the area was within Krayt's Empire's bound enough to say in the infobox that this planet was affiliated with the Empire? NaruHina ^Talk 01:54, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
      - I'll try to do an Atlas sweep for you soon, but just to quickly answer your other questions, I think it would be ideal to rephrase the info, but I'm not going to stonewall the nom if it's not done completely. And as for affiliations, I think it'd be speculation to say they were affiliated with Krayt, unless a map explicitly marks them as such. Hence the hedgy, "They were located within the territory of the Empire of Darth Krayt" and the like. :) ~Savage 17:30, June 14, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

Excecuting Phase 3 of Operation Centurian Deathstroke. These articles are identical (wanted to make a WP:CAN subpage for this, but whatever). Please leave objections on Dilonexa I. NaruHina ^Talk 00:25, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
I did a similar thing to this a couple of months back for a bunch of random "X" assassins. I just had to make each articles writings slightly different in each case, so it's an OK example of what you can do with these. Vandar Tokare42 (Talk to the hand) 08:24, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
- Exactly what I (and prolly Xd) am after, I'm sure there's ways to have the same content presented in different ways. (: –Tm_T ^(Talk) 09:07, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
Just a query, and by no means discouragement, because I agree that we should have articles on all of these if warranted, but: is each of these planets mentioned by name in the OS? By this I mean, do we see the names of each of these printed out on the page? We tend not to have articles on planets based on a conjectural numbering from a known planet's name. In other words, we don't have an article on Laboi I even though we have one on Laboi II. Does that make sense? ~Savage 16:04, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
- I think I understand what you mean. That there are 22 hot planets in the system, then the habitable XXIII, and then 17 cold planets was specified in Oseon. NaruHina ^Talk 01:38, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
Atlas info: Part of the Slice (p. 36); part of Sharu Civilization's sphere of influence from c. 30,000 to 25,200 BBY (p. 116); reached by outside galaxy at some point between 5,000 and 3,000 BBY (p. 120); by 1,004 BBY, part of the Sith sphere of influence during the New Sith Wars, and stayed that way until 1,000 BBY (p. 133); outside both Republic and Separatist space during Clone Wars (p. 150); seems to be outside all spheres of influence for the ensuing period (per maps on pp. 194, 196, 198, 200, 206, 225), within Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire by 137 ABY (p. 226). It should also share some of the history of the broader Centrality region: "founded as an independent territory in 3350 BBY"; under de facto control of Rokur Gepta, who answered to Palpatine during the early years of the Empire (p. 162). You might also glean some info from the Gamer article about the Centrality. ~Savage 20:01, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info, Bob. Borders had it, so I found a lot of this stuff. :) Did not catch the Sharu Civilization or the Sith SOI though, especial thanks there. Because of the nature of galactic exploration, it being primarily done by the Republic, do you think it's fair that I used the government's status at the end of the JCW in the article for dating or would you like me to leave that at 5000 BBY? NaruHina ^Talk 00:22, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
  - Hokay. Time to give up the ghost on this one. It's 300 words. Now to see what else the Gamer article has to say on the Centrality's leadership and nominate them to GAN...three...at...a time... =_=' NaruHina ^Talk 01:11, June 15, 2011 (UTC)