Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Chall Bekan/Legends

The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a comprehensive article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.

Chall Bekan

Nominated by: Hanzo Hasashi 03:40, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
Nomination comments: Methane reminds me of my organic chemistry class I just finished.

(1 ECs/1 Users/2 Total)

Support

501st dogma^(talk) 00:00, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
Heh, I know what you mean.--Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 02:00, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Object

Savaged…
- Can we assume Bekan was a leader of his species? The wording is ambiguous, especially since "leader" is game mechanics in the CCG. The article implies he had some sort of leadership over all Morseerians, but it was only over his cadre of spies as far as we know.
  - To be honest, I wasn't sure about this. See if you like my rewording.
- Lots of websites claim Chall Bekan is featured in the cantina in A New Hope, seated with Danz Borin, a spacer and Greedo. Any truth to that, or is it just Nabrun Leids? ~Savage 15:22, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
  - You know what, I was aware of the BTS speculation that I removed. Of note, Yodapedia treats him as that other Morseerian, whilst a couple of French Star Wars fan websites treat him as CCG-exclusive. I did talk to Menkooroo about this, and he said that, without proof, he should be assumed a separate character unless proven otherwise. Now, would any of those sites be reliable sources? He's got an IMDB page, but that is far from a canon source. Hanzo Hasashi 04:16, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
    - I am going to make an edit saying that most likely none of those other sites are canon sources. However the Morseerian in question is the one who isn't Nabrun Leids, it's just not canonically verified AFAIK that they are the same. Hanzo Hasashi 04:29, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
      - But there is definitely a second Morseerian? I honestly had no idea. Previous practice has been to assume that the CCG cards are on-screen characters unless another source says otherwise. This gets hairy with the Holiday Special stills Decipher used (as with Solomahal recently being demoted to non-ANH status), but if there's a second Morseerian, I can't see why he wouldn't be Bekan... ~Savage 13:19, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
        Well Chall Bekan's card does not clearly show the cantina in the background. There are CCG characters that are exclusive to the CCG, and I can't see why this couldn't be another case of it. Hanzo Hasashi 14:53, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
        My take: Chall's CCG card isn't even a live-action shot. It looks like a digital paint job. Equating that with the second Cantina Morseerian based on... well, nothing, would just be speculation. Menkooroo 17:29, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
        Provided a detailed BTS note is added regarding this, I'm happy with that. Maybe just mention that there are two Morseerians in the cantina, one of which is seated with Danz Borin and Greedo, but that due to the CCG card being a Photoshop job, it is unclear if Bekan is supposed to be the other Morseerian or not. Then we're golden. The article should also link to Unidentified Morseerian (Chalmun's Spaceport Cantina), too. :) ~Savage 23:34, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
        Done.
- One more thing: "Force-attuned" in the CCG is really a game rule that represents anyone who is really lucky, really charismatic, etc. For instance, Han Solo and Crix Madine are Force-attuned in the game. Not until the next level up, Force-sensitive, can you assume it means the character could access the Force. ~Savage 23:34, May 7, 2012 (UTC)
  - Well, I have seen other articles of which the Force-attunement is treated as fully canonical, and a pipelink of Force-sensitive. Ardan is something that comes to mind, and Toprawa both treated that as a Force-sensitive pipelink, and explained in the BTS that Force-attunement is a level down from Force-sensitive. Hanzo Hasashi 03:08, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
    - Those articles are in error then, since I think it's pretty well-established in canon that Han Solo is not Force-sensitive. It's a game mechanic, plain and simple. ~Savage 13:08, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
      - Ok, will get rid of. Hanzo Hasashi 13:57, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
        Got rid of it. To be honest, I was wondering how Force abilities were treated as canon while everything else about the stats wasn't. Hanzo Hasashi 14:03, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
        I have talked to Toprawa about this, and he feels like it should be treated as canon unless proven otherwise (eg Solo and Madine wouldn't count, but others can if nothing states they aren't Force-attuned). Hanzo Hasashi 03:34, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
        I'm going to agree with Bob on this one. We should be consistent rather than making exceptions. Menkooroo 03:47, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
        Ok, I got rid of it again. Hanzo Hasashi 15:44, May 11, 2012 (UTC)
        Perhaps the best thing to do is to mention the Force-attuned thing in the BTS and note that it is a game mechanic for the CCG that can represent a wide variety of conditions, including but not necessarily implying Force-sensitivity. Here is the rulebook; not sure if this website's version of it is accurate, though: [1] ~Savage 16:49, May 11, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Now the word count is above 250, this will go to the GAN page. Hanzo Hasashi 18:05, May 11, 2012 (UTC)