[08:00]	<Toprawa>	Welcome to AC Meeting 15
[08:00]	<ChackJadson>	woot!
[08:00]	<Toprawa>	Thanks for showing up
[08:00]	<Toprawa>	CC extends his apologies; he reads the meeting time wrong and realized he can't make it
[08:04]	<Toprawa>	First up, old articles probed from Meeting 14
[08:04]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Massacre_at_Ossus
[08:04]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Massacre_at_Ossus_(second_review)
[08:04]	<Toprawa>	No update
[08:05]	<ChackJadson>	KO
[08:05]	<CavalierOne>	Kill.
[08:05]	<Jujiggum>	kill
[08:05]	<Grunny>	Bah, I forgot about this one
[08:05]	<Toprawa>	Kill
[08:05]	<Grunny>	Kill, I'll revive it at some point
[08:05]	<Toprawa>	Massacre at Ossus GA status removed
[08:06]	<Toprawa>	New articles for inspection now
[08:06]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cannok
[08:06]	<Toprawa>	Cannok - Sectioning should adhere to species layout. Probably just a matter of retitling and moving a section around.
[08:06]	<ChackJadson>	that looks very simple
[08:06]	<Toprawa>	It's been adequately handled
[08:06]	<Toprawa>	Keep
[08:06]	<CavalierOne>	Keep.
[08:06]	<Jujiggum>	Keep
[08:06]	<Grunny>	Keepers
[08:07]	<ChackJadson>	ah, keep
[08:07]	<Toprawa>	Cannok kept
[08:07]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cha%27a
[08:07]	<Toprawa>	Cha'a - minor sourcing issue in infobox
[08:07]	<Jujiggum>	appears to be taken care of
[08:07]	<Toprawa>	Evidently handled
[08:07]	<Toprawa>	Keep
[08:07]	<ChackJadson>	Keep
[08:07]	<Jujiggum>	Keep
[08:07]	<Grunny>	Keep
[08:07]	<CavalierOne>	Keep.
[08:07]	<Toprawa>	Cha'a kept
[08:07]	<Toprawa>	All of the TCW web comic GAs (Cold Snap, Headgames, Mouse Hunt, Procedure, Shakedown, The Dreams of General Grievous, The Fall of Falleen, and Transfer) need to have their External Link fixed. This should be a pretty easy fix but I figured I should put it here in order to make sure they got done. Jonjedigrandmaster (Jedi Beacon)20:14, October 16, 2009 (UTC) 
[08:08]	<Toprawa>	I'm not linking all of these
[08:08]	<Jujiggum>	I believe they've all been taken care of
[08:08]	<Toprawa>	but they've evidently been handled, to CC's liking, to boot
[08:08]	<Jujiggum>	Keep em
[08:08]	<Toprawa>	Keep all
[08:08]	<ChackJadson>	Keep all of them
[08:08]	<CavalierOne>	Keep all if fixed.
[08:08]	<Grunny>	Keep all
[08:08]	<Toprawa>	All TCW articles kept
[08:08]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acklay
[08:08]	<Toprawa>	# Acklay - needs Update from the Atlas. See page 92, Lehon
[08:09]	<Toprawa>	The info isn't huge or anything
[08:09]	<Toprawa>	but there's definitely a little bit there
[08:09]	<ChackJadson>	I keep meaning to do this
[08:09]	<CavalierOne>	Probe then.
[08:09]	<ChackJadson>	we can probe it, and I'll get it soon
[08:09]	<Toprawa>	Probe
[08:09]	<Grunny>	Probe
[08:09]	<Toprawa>	Acklay probed
[08:09]	<CavalierOne>	Painful.
[08:09]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Zaadja
[08:09]	<Toprawa>	Battle of Zaadja - redlink and inadequate sourcing in the infobox, and article could overall use some general shape-up, linking and otherwise. Furthermore, the Bts has way too much speculation on what may or may not be done thanks to TCW. CC7567 (talk)05:51, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
[08:10]	<Toprawa>	Battle of Zaadja (note: source in which official name is stated has to be confirmed, as I can't find anything on this matter),
[08:10]	<Toprawa>	CC's note ^
[08:10]	<ChackJadson>	Probe
[08:10]	<Toprawa>	Probe
[08:10]	<Jujiggum>	Probe
[08:10]	<Grunny>	Probe
[08:10]	<CavalierOne>	Probe
[08:10]	<Toprawa>	Battle of Zaadja probed
[08:10]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/First_Battle_of_Kashyyyk_(Galactic_Civil_War)
[08:10]	<Toprawa>	# First Battle of Kashyyyk (Galactic Civil War) - Needs to checked and updated for Star Wars: Empire at War: Prima Official Game Guide, and that intro should be longer too. Grunny (Talk)05:55 , October 22, 2009 (UTC) * The guide has been added as a source, but there's no new information. I've expanded the intro a bit, though. QuiGonJinn (Talk)21:13, October 24, 2009 (UTC) 
[08:11]	<ChackJadson>	Keep, per that, I suppose
[08:11]	<Grunny>	Keep, i's taken care of
[08:11]	<Toprawa>	Personally, I think the intro is still kind of short
[08:11]	<Jujiggum>	Keep
[08:11]	<Toprawa>	but it's up to you guys
[08:11]	<Grunny>	Yeah, I don't think he realy expanded it enough
[08:11]	<CavalierOne>	Agreed. More expansion needed on intro.
[08:12]	<Toprawa>	I could probe on the intro as well
[08:12]	<Grunny>	Alright, Probe
[08:12]	<Jujiggum>	probe, then
[08:12]	<CavalierOne>	Probe
[08:12]	<ChackJadson>	I could go probe, I guess
[08:12]	<Toprawa>	Very well
[08:12]	<Toprawa>	and for the record, it needs to conform to the LG as well
[08:12]	<Toprawa>	First Battle of Kashyyyk probed
[08:13]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Alto_Stratus
[08:13]	<Toprawa>	Alto Stratus - in need of a major expansion; there is no way this comes even close to our current standards. Inadequate sourcing as well. CC7567 (talk)20:33, October 22, 2009 (UTC)
[08:13]	<ChackJadson>	Probe
[08:13]	<Jujiggum>	Probe
[08:13]	<CavalierOne>	Probe
[08:13]	<Toprawa>	Probe
[08:13]	<Toprawa>	Alto Stratus probed
[08:13]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sa_Cuis
[08:14]	<Toprawa>	Sa Cuis - needs an update for Imperial Commando: 501st. Jonjedigrandmaster (Jedi Beacon) 22:21, November 1, 2009 (UTC)
[08:14]	<ChackJadson>	Probe, I'll get to this soon, hopefully
[08:14]	<Jujiggum>	Probe
[08:14]	<ChackJadson>	don't have the book, but hopefully can find info somewhere
[08:14]	<CavalierOne>	Probe
[08:14]	<Toprawa>	Probe
[08:14]	<Grunny>	probe
[08:14]	<CavalierOne>	Chack; I have it.
[08:14]	<Toprawa>	Sa Cuis probed
[08:14]	<CavalierOne>	Reading it at the moment.
[08:14]	<ChackJadson>	ah, cool
[08:14]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rugosa
[08:14]	<CavalierOne>	I'll note the references for you.
[08:14]	<Toprawa>	Rugosa - in need of an update from yet another TCW source. CC7567 (talk) 23:53, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
[08:15]	<ChackJadson>	thanks, Cav
[08:15]	<Jujiggum>	Probe
[08:15]	<ChackJadson>	Probe
[08:15]	<Grunny>	Probe
[08:15]	<CavalierOne>	Probe.
[08:15]	<Toprawa>	Probe
[08:15]	<Toprawa>	Rugosa probed
[08:15]	<Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_Knightfall
[08:15]	<Toprawa>	Operation: Knightfall - it's seriously time to reconsider this. The level of what's supposedly "context" in this article is simply horrendous and disappointing. While I know that everyone's expectations might be different, I'd like to ask everyone to take a look at this beforehand and bring your stand on the matter so that we can discuss it during the meeting. CC7567 (talk)07:58, November...
[08:15]	<Toprawa>	...8, 2009 (UTC)
[08:15]	<ChackJadson>	I'm gonna go probe here
[08:15]	<Jujiggum>	Probe
[08:16]	<Toprawa>	I agree
[08:16]	<Grunny>	Probe
[08:16]	<CavalierOne>	Probe.
[08:16]	<Toprawa>	Probe
[08:16]	<Toprawa>	Operation: Knightfall probed
[08:16]	<Toprawa>	Ok, that's all for those, unless anyone has any more for us
[08:16]	<Toprawa>	If not, on to discussion time
[08:17]	<Grunny>	Wait
[08:17]	* Grunny	checks the maintenance page
[08:17]	<Grunny>	Two more articles with update tags
[08:17]	<Toprawa>	Link 'em!
[08:17]	<CavalierOne>	:?
[08:18]	<Toprawa>	GA inadequacy must be exposed!
[08:18]	<ChackJadson>	:O
[08:18]	<Grunny>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Axe_%28clone_trooper%29&t=20091107065746
[08:18]	<Grunny>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gor&t=20091031171144
[08:18]	<ChackJadson>	Probe
[08:18]	<Jujiggum>	Probe
[08:18]	<Toprawa>	Probe 'em both, and for the record, I have my own issues with Gor's layout
[08:19]	<CavalierOne>	Probe.
[08:19]	<Toprawa>	I will be making this a formal issue for the next meeting
[08:19]	<Grunny>	Probe
[08:19]	<Toprawa>	Axe and Gor probed
[08:19]	<ChackJadson>	what's up with Gor's layout?
[08:19]	<ChackJadson>	sorry to hold this back
[08:19]	<Toprawa>	the "Traits and abilities" is an invention of the nominator
[08:20]	<Toprawa>	He contends the character is non-sentient, so it needs its own title
[08:20]	<Toprawa>	the LG does not specify between non-sentient and sentient characteers
[08:20]	<Toprawa>	the LG is for all characters
[08:20]	<Grunny>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide#Non-sentient_and_semi-sentient_species_articles
[08:20]	<CavalierOne>	Even pets have personalities
[08:20]	<Toprawa>	this isn't a species, though
[08:20]	<Toprawa>	this is an individual character
[08:20]	<Toprawa>	per Cav
[08:21]	<Jujiggum>	Yeah, per Cav
[08:21]	<Grunny>	Add that to the probe then
[08:21]	<Toprawa>	Noted
[08:21]	<Toprawa>	Ok, discussion time
[08:21]	<ChackJadson>	Gotcha
[08:21]	<CavalierOne>	Specific species traits should be in the Roggwart article. We don't note that every Human has two arms.
[08:21]	<Toprawa>	Agreed ^
[08:22]	<Toprawa>	First order of business.
[08:22]	<Toprawa>	Voting on to officially ratify this beast and move it to a mainspace article for our formal referencing: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/AC_Bylaws
[08:22]	<Grunny>	Support
[08:22]	<Toprawa>	Support, naturally
[08:22]	<ChackJadson>	Yes
[08:23]	<Jujiggum>	This can be changed and adjusted in the future, right?
[08:23]	<ChackJadson>	NO!
[08:23]	<Jujiggum>	Is there some sort of procedure we have for adding or adjusting rules?
[08:23]	<Toprawa>	I wanted to talk about that.
[08:23]	<ChackJadson>	:P
[08:23]	<Jujiggum>	:P
[08:23]	<Toprawa>	If we do make this a formal page, we should all have to come to a consensus on official changes, I think
[08:23]	<Jujiggum>	Agreed
[08:23]	<CavalierOne>	Support.
[08:24]	<ChackJadson>	Sounds good
[08:24]	<Toprawa>	Ok, measure passed.
[08:24]	<Toprawa>	I'll move it to its own page when I have some time
[08:24]	<Toprawa>	And CC wanted us to consider moving the meeting time back.
[08:24]	<Toprawa>	This meeting's time was our original "official" meeting time from when the AC was first started
[08:25]	<Toprawa>	in the summer, if you recall, we usually held it one hour earlier from what it is now
[08:25]	<Toprawa>	CC wants us to consider continuing hold it at the summer time so he can attend
[08:25]	<ChackJadson>	I can do anything
[08:25]	<Toprawa>	otherwise, he'll never be able to show
[08:25]	<Toprawa>	pretty much per Chack
[08:25]	<Jujiggum>	either way is fine for me
[08:25]	<Toprawa>	I agree with moving it back
[08:25]	<CavalierOne>	On Sundays, that'll be ok with me.
[08:25]	<ChackJadson>	Our non-Americans?
[08:25]	<Grunny>	I don't mind, it means waking up an hour earlier but eh :P
[08:26]	<ChackJadson>	Ok :P
[08:26]	<Toprawa>	haha
[08:26]	<Toprawa>	very well, we will now hold meetings at 4 PM EST
[08:26]	<Toprawa>	One hour earlier from what it was today
[08:26]	<Toprawa>	Figure out your own times :P
[08:26]	<Jujiggum>	heh
[08:26]	<Toprawa>	Unless anyone has anything else, that's all we've got.
[08:26]	<CavalierOne>	9PM for me then!
[08:27]	<ChackJadson>	EST ftw!
[08:27]	<Grunny>	7am for me
[08:27]	<Toprawa>	Ok, who wants to be paperwork [Redacted by administration]? :P