[07:04] <Graestan> Sit back, relax, and strap it down. AC meeting, coming your way. [07:05] <Graestan> First and foremost, we've got some articles on probation from last time. [07:05] <Graestan> Heading up the list, the heavily improved-upon http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tydirium&diff=2571090&oldid=2495705 [07:05] <CavalierOne> 4dot's FAing it. Extend probation. [07:05] <Graestan> I say keep; it won't matter once it makes FA and Fourdot's done a hell of a job. [07:05] <ChackJadson> Keep. Gonna be FA'd, it seems [07:05] <Grunny> Keep [07:06] <Cylka> Before we get too involved, I would like to apologize for my low activity level lately. RL has been crazy, but I should be back in a greater capacity in a week or so. [07:06] <Cylka> Keep. [07:06] <ChackJadson> np, Cylka [07:06] <Graestan> Tope and GMT say doesn't matter, but don't specify keep or prolong, so I am going with the present consensus of keep. [07:06] <ChackJadson> We understand [07:06] <Graestan> ''[Redacted by administration]'' [07:07] <CavalierOne> ''[Redacted by administration]'' [07:07] <CavalierOne> ''[Redacted by administration]'' [07:07] <Cylka> [Redacted by administration] [07:07] <Cylka> [Redacted by administration] [07:07] <Graestan> [Redacted by administration] [07:07] <Graestan> ''[Redacted by administration]'' [07:07] <ChackJadson> [Redacted by administration] [07:08] <Grunny> [Redacted by administration] [07:08] <CavalierOne> [Redacted by administration] [07:08] <Cylka> ''[Redacted by administration]'' [07:08] <Graestan> 9_9 Moving on. [07:08] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=YV-100_light_freighter&diff=2570377&oldid=2495707 [07:08] <Grunny> Keepage [07:08] <Graestan> It's fixed. Keep. [07:08] <Graestan> Tope and GMT say keep. [07:09] <Cylka> Keep. [07:09] <ChackJadson> Keep [07:09] <CavalierOne> Keep. [07:10] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Z-95_Headhunter&diff=2516646&oldid=2495708 [07:10] <Graestan> A right mess. [07:10] <Graestan> No real improvement. [07:10] <Graestan> Kill. [07:10] <ChackJadson> Argh, kill [07:10] <CavalierOne> Kill it. Kill it! [07:10] <Grunny> Kill [07:11] <Cylka> Kill. [07:12] <Graestan> I tell you he dead. [07:12] <Graestan> Here we are: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Self-Propelled_Heavy_Artillery&diff=2572127&oldid=2495709 [07:12] <Graestan> Kill. To be honest, the individual SPHA types should be more focused on in article writing, not the sum total. [07:12] <Graestan> Absentees vote to kill. [07:13] <CavalierOne> Kill. [07:13] <ChackJadson> Kill [07:13] <Grunny> Killify [07:13] <Cylka> Kill. [07:15] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Darth_Vader%27s_armor&diff=2535205&oldid=2495710 [07:15] <Graestan> Zero work was done on this. [07:15] <ChackJadson> KO [07:15] <Graestan> Show the same mercy Vader would. [07:15] <Grunny> Kill [07:15] <Cylka> Kill. [07:16] <CavalierOne> Kill. [07:16] <Graestan> [Redacted by administration] [07:17] <Graestan> Alright, that concludes previous article review. [07:17] <Graestan> Now to consider a couple of new ones: [07:17] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob_Nive [07:17] <Graestan> This one confuses me. [07:17] <Graestan> Does anyone know much about Operation Elrood? [07:17] <Graestan> Does anyone have it in .pdf or otherwise? [07:17] <CavalierOne> I have it. [07:18] <Graestan> Does he figure prominently in it? [07:19] <CavalierOne> Checking. [07:19] <Graestan> I mean, if it's a mention or something, then we can slap it down now and have done with it. [07:21] <Graestan> In the meantime, I wish I'd added the miscellanea we missed in our full-list GA review. [07:21] <Graestan> I guess that's for next time. [07:21] <CavalierOne> There's a text piece at the start. One of the Imperial characters is one of the captains of the SDs that destroyed the pirates originally. I'd have to do a deeper read to see if he's mentioned later. [07:22] <Graestan> Alright, I suppose we could just probe for now. That's what the boys Over There said. [07:22] <Cylka> I thought we finished the misc, articles. [07:22] <Graestan> There are a few left. [07:22] <Graestan> Hither and thither. [07:22] <Graestan> Chack? Grunny? [07:22] <Grunny> Probe for now [07:22] <CavalierOne> Probe. If I get time I'll do a thorough go through of OE. [07:22] <ChackJadson> Hi. Probe, I suppose [07:23] <Cylka> Probe. [07:23] <Graestan> Okay, he's probed. [07:23] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_on_Yavin_4 [07:23] <Graestan> This one is tricky. [07:23] <Graestan> It seems Naru has put some work into it. [07:23] <Cylka> I dislike duel articles. [07:24] <Grunny> It still needs Insider, bts, and the intro is not really sufficient [07:24] <CavalierOne> Probe then, if Naru is willing to fix them. [07:24] <Grunny> Probe and give Naru time to fix the rest [07:25] <Graestan> Probe, then. I guess we're not deciding ultimate fate, here. [07:25] <Cylka> Probe, but he says he can't fix the Insider stuff. [07:25] <ChackJadson> Probe [07:27] <Graestan> Alright, there goes the business portion of the meeting. [07:27] <Graestan> That was short. But now everyone acting like I'm holding a .44 [07:27] <Graestan> :P [07:27] <Cylka> Didn't youwant to discuss the sub-page issue on the GAN page? [07:28] <Graestan> Agenda time: [07:28] <Graestan> I'd like to further discuss the proposal from last meeting, of having subpages for the nominations as they do at a certain other wiki. We could just start the nominations pages early instead of creating them during the archiving process, then add the visible vote portion when archiving. I really do think this would make moving through the nominations easier for us, and the watchlist feature... [07:28] <Graestan> ...would make it easy for nominators to know when their articles have objections. Graestan(Talk) 03:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC) [07:28] <Graestan> Now, Toprawa put his forward in answer: [07:28] <Graestan> I wasn't in on the original discussion about separate subpages for nominations, but I'm not sure this is entirely necessary. I just think a greater effort needs to be made on cracking down on articles that are nominated and then virtually abandoned, which I believe to be the source of this problem. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC) [07:29] <ChackJadson> Could you elaborate a bit, Grae? Are you saying we'd make subpages for every nom when they are nominated? [07:29] <Cylka> Eh, sort of, but most articles aren't abandoned. [07:29] <Graestan> Yes, essentially we'd start the archive pages early. [07:29] <ChackJadson> Would that replace the GAN page entirely, then? [07:29] <Graestan> Yes, most articles which are problematic aren't abandoned at all. Their nominators are just that bad at handling objections. [07:29] <Grunny> No, the votes would go on the GAN [07:30] <ChackJadson> Why is this necessary? [07:30] <Graestan> No, the GAN would exist as a home for the vote sections, etc. [07:30] <CavalierOne> I presume the GAN page would work as an index for the individual nomination pages [07:30] <ChackJadson> I don't follow [07:30] <Cylka> Chack, the votes would be on the GAN page, and so would links to the sub-pages. [07:30] <ChackJadson> Oh, just objections go on the subpage? [07:30] <Cylka> Right? I think? [07:30] <Graestan> I don't see it as absolutely necessary so much as a way to alleviate sifting though nine hundred K of crap to get to whatever you want to work on. [07:31] <Graestan> Also, the nominators could put the individual nomination pages on their watchlists and would be more likely to pay attention. [07:31] <Cylka> The objections are the difficult part. [07:31] <ChackJadson> Ok [07:31] <Cylka> Well, the long part of a nom. [07:31] <ChackJadson> Interesting... [07:31] <Grunny> And then when it is archived the votes are just transfered to the subpage [07:31] <Graestan> After the nom passes, the vote part moves to the other page [07:32] <Graestan> It's just something to consider. I really don't agree that it's inactive noms that drive me insane, so much as it is having to wade through people's ridiculous arguments etc. [07:32] <ChackJadson> I kinda like this now... [07:32] <ChackJadson> Your idea, I mean, it has its merits [07:32] <Cylka> I'm still undecided. I mean I like the idea, but maybe we should try it out on a couple of noms before adopting this practice. [07:32] <Graestan> The only pitfall is getting people to follow the new procedure. [07:32] <ChackJadson> Yeah, per Cylka [07:33] <CavalierOne> Same here. [07:33] <Graestan> Yeah, we could stick a few I have in mind ( ;) ) on their own pages. XD [07:33] <Grunny> We could try it out on our own noms or something [07:33] <ChackJadson> Ok. Which articles, may I ask? [07:33] <ChackJadson> Yeah, that's fine [07:33] <Grunny> Malak and Nihilus [07:33] <Graestan> Maybe we could test it by sticking anything with huge objections sections so far onto their own. [07:33] <CavalierOne> Darth Malak and Nihilus? [07:33] <Grunny> And Skirata [07:34] <Graestan> Per Grunny, exactly what I mean. Anything that's getting to be half the page. [07:34] <Cylka> Malak is close to being passed, though. [07:34] <Cylka> Maybe Nihilus and Skirata. [07:34] <CavalierOne> And Christmas is just around the corner ;) [07:34] <Graestan> it won't make a difference that it's close, though. All the sooner it moves completely off. [07:34] <Grunny> Haha [07:34] <Cylka> :-D [07:34] <Grunny> Kasra needs to address one more objection and I can get Malak off the page [07:35] <Graestan> I mean, how close /is/ Malak? How long will it take parties to do this? [07:35] <Graestan> A day? A week? How long has it been thus far? [07:35] <ChackJadson> Since November, is that right? [07:35] <ChackJadson> November 20, yes [07:35] <Grunny> Well he's been pretty quick in addressing objections, he's just been gone for the last couple of days [07:35] <Grunny> and there's only one left [07:36] <Graestan> What is it? [07:36] <Cylka> Yeah, Kasra actually does address objections. [07:36] <Grunny> The objection? [07:37] <Grunny> "Mandalorian Wars - Vision to Jarael: "A few months after the events of Vindication..." This is the first mention of Vindication, please clarify that it refers to the events described previously." [07:37] <Graestan> Shit, I could fix that. [07:37] <Graestan> Yeah, leave it up. [07:37] <Graestan> Which ones, then? [07:37] <Grunny> Nihilus and Skirata [07:38] <Cylka> Nihilus and Skirata. [07:38] <Grunny> You could probably do Peragus II as well since I dout Darth tom would object, being a SWF contributor and all [07:38] <Grunny> Just to test it out [07:39] <Graestan> Sure, why not? [07:39] <Graestan> I'll tinker with that later, if no one else does in the meantime. [07:39] <Graestan> Then we can see how it worked and vote on it again next meeting. [07:40] <Cylka> Maybe you should, Grae, since you have a better idea about all of this. [07:40] <Graestan> Actually I don't, but I can figure it out. [07:40] <Graestan> B) It's me. [07:40] <Graestan> Alright, that's that. Anything else, people? [07:41] <Grunny> Not from me [07:41] <ChackJadson> Nor me [07:41] <CavalierOne> Payrise? [07:41] <Cylka> Is the meeting over? [07:41] <Grunny> :P [07:41] <Grunny> Paperwork [Redacted by administration]? [07:41] <Graestan> Alright. Meeting concluded. Who's doing the log and minutes? [07:42] <Grunny> I'll do them