[07:18] <Graestan> AC Meeting 10 [07:18] <Graestan> First up, probed articles fro last meeting [07:18] <Graestan> Only two of these, and first among them: [07:18] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Duel_on_Yavin_4&diff=2601704&oldid=2573771 [07:18] <Toprawa> Yavin 4 looks good. My only concern is that it might have missing Databank Source list items [07:19] <Toprawa> the Ventress entry (assuming she has one), for example [07:19] <Cylka> That should be hard to fix, though. [07:19] <Cylka> *shouldn't [07:19] <CC7567> There were some things I noticed about first names instead of last names, but overall it looks like the article still requires fixes [07:19] <Toprawa> yeah, if someone feels like checking on it, cool [07:19] <CC7567> Yeah, it's mostly easy fixes [07:19] <CC7567> Extend probe, then? [07:20] <Graestan> It may or may not be easy to fix, based on how much Databank info might be missing [07:20] <ChackJadson> Probably not much [07:20] <Graestan> Also CSWE possibility [07:20] <Cylka> Hmm, extend then? [07:20] <Toprawa> I'm checking the Databank now, FWIW [07:20] <CC7567> Ventress is in there [07:20] <Graestan> Extend, I think [07:20] <ChackJadson> Ah, thank you Tope [07:20] <Cylka> With new objections? [07:20] <CC7567> http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/asajjventress/index.html [07:21] <Toprawa> There's a good paragraph on the battle. [07:21] <Toprawa> I don't know what may be missing. [07:21] <ChackJadson> Cylka: probably, yeah [07:21] <CC7567> Last names, possibly expand prelude? [07:21] <Cylka> Extend then. [07:21] <Toprawa> Extend with new objections would be good [07:21] <CC7567> Extend [07:21] <ChackJadson> Tope: no info missing from her entry [07:21] <ChackJadson> Extend [07:21] <Graestan> Extended. [07:21] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jacob_Nive&oldid=2573774 [07:21] <Graestan> No work. Kill. [07:21] <Grunny> Killify [07:22] <ChackJadson> Kill then [07:22] <CC7567> Killz [07:22] <Cylka> I'll do the paperwork with the articles if someone else does minutes and log. [07:22] <Toprawa> Kill Nive. [07:22] <Cylka> Kill. [07:22] <ChackJadson> I'll do minutes [07:22] <CC7567> Aw, I wanted to do it, Cylka :P [07:22] <Cylka> If you want. :-P [07:22] <Grunny> I'm doing the minutes [07:22] <ChackJadson> Oh, ok [07:22] <Cylka> I haven't been around much, so I offered. [07:22] <Graestan> I'm going to make the donuts. Let's move on. [07:22] <ChackJadson> Thanks Cylka [07:22] <Cylka> 9_9 [07:23] <ChackJadson> and Grunny and whoever else does it [07:23] <Graestan> New articles to review: [07:23] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bimm [07:23] <Toprawa> MENDOOOZAAAAA [07:23] <Graestan> TBH, Bimm would be an FA if it was done right [07:24] <Graestan> No images of the Bimms from the movies? o_O [07:24] <ChackJadson> Could be longer [07:24] <Toprawa> there's still an unsourced statement [07:24] <Toprawa> two, actually [07:24] <ChackJadson> Nothing on the Bimm in the Boba Fett book, for example [07:24] <Grunny> Sources and appearances could be incomplete too [07:24] <Toprawa> no, one, sorry [07:25] <Graestan> Probe. It actually appears to have the correct raw material. [07:25] <ChackJadson> Probe [07:25] <CC7567> Probe [07:25] <Toprawa> Probe [07:25] <Grunny> Probe [07:25] <Cylka> Probe. Toki Tollivar could add some more info. [07:26] <Graestan> Who's Toki Tollivar? :P [07:26] <Grunny> :P [07:26] * Cylka flahes Graestan an obscene gesture. :-P [07:27] <ChackJadson> O_o [07:27] <Graestan> It's always obscene when you flash me :P [07:27] <CC7567> Manners, ye elders. [07:27] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skreej [07:27] <Toprawa> Probe, per "Hoth" [07:27] <CC7567> Probity [07:27] <Graestan> Probe, easy fixes [07:27] <Cylka> Probe. [07:27] <Grunny> Probe [07:27] <ChackJadson> Probe [07:29] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Time_travel [07:29] <Graestan> No way, Jose. Probe. [07:29] <ChackJadson> Probe [07:29] <CC7567> That needs clearer layout [07:29] <Graestan> Missing Galaxies info, iirc. [07:29] <Toprawa> Unsourced infobox things [07:29] <Toprawa> per CC on the layout [07:29] <CC7567> Probe [07:29] <Grunny> Probe it [07:29] <Cylka> Probe. [07:29] <Toprawa> Probe [07:30] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Coruscant_(Great_Hyperspace_War) [07:30] <Graestan> Acky fixed it. [07:30] <Graestan> Keep.' [07:30] <Grunny> Keep [07:30] <CC7567> Keep [07:30] <ChackJadson> keep [07:31] <Toprawa> Someone may want to clarify for Time travel that "clearer layout" probably means some kind of "Description" and "History" sections [07:31] <Toprawa> Keep that one [07:31] <CC7567> Yeah, and perhaps "Variants" as well or something [07:31] <Cylka> Keep On the Battle. [07:32] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Fanon_Wiki [07:32] <Grunny> Variants would probably go in the description section, as subsections [07:32] <Graestan> Probe. [07:32] <Grunny> Probe [07:32] <Graestan> Here's my main beef: [07:32] <Graestan> POV issues. [07:32] <Graestan> What's to say the things described are the full story? [07:32] <Graestan> Furthermore, you need some more outside reference. [07:32] <CC7567> Also, the thing about the sourcing needs to be clarified [07:32] <Toprawa> I'm concerned about the necessity of keeping it updated to present proceedings [07:33] <Toprawa> an article like that can be out of date after a week, for ex [07:33] <ChackJadson> Probe [07:33] <Toprawa> Probe [07:33] <Cylka> Per Tope, but Ataru does update. [07:33] <CC7567> Probe [07:33] <Cylka> Probe. [07:33] <CC7567> I haven't seen that much of an update lately, though [07:33] <Graestan> Even so, Ataru's involvement in the site and his limited scope presents POV issues. [07:33] <Cylka> Very true. [07:34] <Cylka> I could agree with that. [07:34] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Being_Boba_Fett [07:34] <Graestan> CC? [07:34] <Toprawa> Probe, no changes [07:34] <CC7567> It was the unsourced OR that still bothers me [07:34] <CC7567> Probe [07:35] <ChackJadson> probe [07:35] <Grunny> Probe [07:35] <CC7567> Not the OR, but the review [07:35] <Cylka> Probe [07:35] <Graestan> Probe, then [07:36] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Roche_Hive_Mechanical_Apparatus_Design_and_Construction_Activity_for_Those_Who_Need_the_Hive%27s_Machines [07:36] <Graestan> For The World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky [07:36] <Toprawa> I don't see any real problems, and concerns were addressed [07:36] <Graestan> Mauser appears to have fixed it. Keep. [07:36] <ChackJadson> keep [07:36] <Grunny> Keepage [07:36] <CC7567> Keep [07:36] <Toprawa> Keep [07:37] <Cylka> Mauser is good for fixing things. [07:37] <Cylka> Keep. [07:38] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_on_Roqoo_Depot [07:38] <ChackJadson> keep [07:38] <ChackJadson> Harrar got this one, it seems [07:38] <CC7567> Keep [07:38] <Graestan> Keep. Harrar rocks. [07:38] <Grunny> Keep [07:38] <ChackJadson> he's the man :P [07:38] <Toprawa> Keep, though an inquiry should be made into why this isn't on the FAN page yet assuming it's over 1000 words [07:38] <Cylka> Keep. [07:38] <CC7567> Per Tope. [07:39] <CC7567> It's taking up space [07:39] <Toprawa> GAN is just was of time for something like this [07:39] <Toprawa> waste* [07:39] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Treaty_of_Coruscant [07:40] <Graestan> I am leery of thisarticle [07:40] <Graestan> It's based on a preview [07:40] <Graestan> Even so, Trayus fixed it up some [07:40] <Toprawa> the sectioning kind of bugs me [07:40] <Graestan> It just seems to fall under the "stable" rule [07:40] <Cylka> The TOR articles are a bit uncertain at times. [07:40] <CC7567> But only just. [07:40] <Toprawa> "Background" should/could be "History," for ex [07:40] <Graestan> Yes, no history at all [07:41] <CC7567> Do we have anything else to base it on? [07:42] <Graestan> My question is, when will the new info arrive? [07:42] * ChackJadson shrugs [07:42] * Cylka shrugs [07:42] <ChackJadson> Do we know? [07:42] <Toprawa> when the game comes out? [07:42] <CC7567> When is that? [07:42] <ChackJadson> AFAIK, we don't know [07:43] <Toprawa> In all seriousness, I could probe on the sectioning alone [07:43] <Toprawa> At the /very/ least, show me a "History" [07:43] <Graestan> Sure, it's easy enough for him to fix [07:43] <Grunny> Per Tope [07:43] <Toprawa> I would do it myself, but I don't even know where to divide it at [07:43] <Graestan> Separate terms from history [07:43] <CC7567> Probe, then [07:43] <ChackJadson> Per Tope, so probe [07:43] <Cylka> Probe, per Tope. [07:44] <Graestan> Probe, although I actually find this one a bit harsh [07:44] <Graestan> Alright, that's it. [07:44] <Cylka> Maybe, but a probe may ensure that it will be fixed up. [07:45] <Graestan> Anything else? [07:45] <CC7567> Nom subpages. [07:45] <Graestan> Ah, yes [07:45] <Graestan> Grunny? [07:45] <Grunny> Well I'm easy on this, but I though we might as well discuss trialing it more [07:46] <Grunny> The only one to have really used them so far is CC [07:46] <Grunny> So I can't say whether I like them or not yet [07:46] <CC7567> Personally, I'm not finding them very useful; they're more convenient, yes, but I'm not sure if that's worth giving it a policy or a rule. [07:46] <Toprawa> I don't mind using them at all, but one minor drawback I do find, for me at least, is that I think it kind of "puts people off," if you will, from reviewing that article. [07:46] <ChackJadson> I don't want to really expand them a ton [07:46] <ChackJadson> Per CC [07:46] <Grunny> But I don't know whether we should just use them for only noms with long objections [07:47] <Toprawa> like I'll scroll through the noms page, look at that, and then move on because I don't want to deal with the baggage [07:47] <ChackJadson> Yes, it's a very minor advantage, if anything, and Tope has a point too [07:47] <Graestan> Doesn't matter either way to me; until my attention span returns I can't read the messy ones anyhow [07:47] <Cylka> Per tope, at times. [07:47] <Grunny> Like I said I don't perticularly like them, but I thought we should discuss it [07:47] <ChackJadson> Want to give them one more month? [07:48] <Cylka> Sure. [07:48] <Grunny> Can't hurt [07:48] <ChackJadson> Oh, and I have more thing after this [07:48] <Toprawa> Whatever you guys want to do with it [07:48] <CC7567> Sounds fine [07:48] <Graestan> Chack? [07:48] <ChackJadson> You know how we made a word limit, and then (last time, I think) we decided we would have to get the community to vote on it, what will we do about that? [07:49] <ChackJadson> That was poorly explained, I'm sorry [07:49] <ChackJadson> Should we put the 3000 word limit to a CT or anything? [07:50] <Cylka> Well, maybe, since GT threw out the notion of raising the minimum word count on the FAs. [07:50] <Graestan> Yes, it'd be a step away from people thinking we're arbitrating too far [07:50] <ChackJadson> Its just because concerns were raised about us losing the community's trust [07:50] <ChackJadson> Per Grae [07:50] <Graestan> To be honest, I'd never support the FA one. [07:50] <CC7567> Per Grae and Tope [07:50] <CC7567> Wait, Chack. [07:50] <ChackJadson> Ok [07:51] <CC7567> (as a correction) [07:51] <ChackJadson> sure [07:51] <Grunny> To CT or not to CT? [07:51] <CC7567> CT. [07:51] <Graestan> It's a good idea, but I had little to do with it the first time, so I can't really do the CT [07:52] <Graestan> I can't sum it up right [07:52] <Cylka> CT. [07:52] <ChackJadson> Anyone here think they could do that particularly well? Explain it, I mean? [07:52] <Cylka> It was an outside party's idea in the first place. [07:52] <ChackJadson> Whose? [07:53] <Cylka> Fiolli had mentioned it in passing a long time ago. [07:53] <ChackJadson> Oh, ok [07:53] <ChackJadson> so...I'll say CT, who wants to write it? [07:54] <ChackJadson> If we had Nuku, we could do !youdoit :P [07:54] <CC7567> Too bad. 9_9 [07:54] <Graestan> Do one anyway. [07:54] <ChackJadson> !youdoit [07:54] <Graestan> Chack should do it. [07:54] <CC7567> XD [07:54] <ChackJadson> :| [07:54] <Cylka> X-D [07:54] <Grunny> All who vote Chack to do it say aye [07:54] <ChackJadson> Does that constitute a vote? [07:54] <CC7567> I can try, I guess, but I need the rest of the reasoning, if there was any [07:54] <Grunny> Aye [07:54] <Graestan> Aye [07:54] <Grunny> :P [07:54] <ChackJadson> :P [07:54] <CC7567> Eye. [07:55] <Cylka> Aye. [07:55] <ChackJadson> K, me it is [07:55] <Cylka> I'll help if you want, Chack. [07:55] <ChackJadson> sure, thank you :) [07:55] <Graestan> Blaspheming the system of !youdoit , eh, Cylka? [07:56] <Graestan> Anyhow [07:56] <ChackJadson> Is that all we had to do tonight? [07:56] <Graestan> MEETING ADJOURNED