[21:16] Ayrehead02: In that case, welcome to AC Meeting 149
[21:16] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Meeting_149#Menu
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Meeting 149
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Meeting 149
[21:16] Ayrehead02: First up we've got Rebel Crew Chief
[21:16] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rebel_Crew_Chief
[21:16] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rebel_Crew_Chief?oldid=11217326&diff=cur
[21:17] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Rebel_Crew_Chief
[21:17] Ayrehead02: Seems to have all be fixed now
[21:18] Imperators: I think CC said something about extending
[21:18] Imperators: on the article-nominations channel
[21:18] Imperators: https://discordapp.com/channels/397848917036761090/836662088998977638/957491747108306994
[21:19] Imperators: I thinlk it's about noting those contradictory lines in the BTS
[21:19] Ayrehead02: Ah yeah, those have now been noted though
[21:20] Imperators: OK then
[21:20] Ayrehead02: Keep
[21:20] Imperators: keep
[21:21] Ayrehead02: Rebel Crew Chief kept
[21:21] Ayrehead02: Next up is Qual
[21:21] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Qual
[21:21] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Qual?oldid=11217345&diff=cur
[21:21] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Qual
[21:22] Ayrehead02: Only one issue appears to have been fixed
[21:22] Ayrehead02: Kill
[21:22] Imperators: kill
[21:22] Ayrehead02: Notes say kill
[21:22] Ayrehead02: Qual Killed
[21:23] Ayrehead02: The Champ
[21:23] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Champ
[21:23] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Champ?oldid=11290551&diff=cur
[21:23] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/The_Champ
[21:23] Imperators: should probably state the absentee votes for the record, yeah?
[21:23] Ayrehead02: No changes
[21:23] Imperators: kill
[21:23] Ayrehead02: Kill
[21:23] Ayrehead02: Notes say kill
[21:24] Ayrehead02: I was going to do notes for each vote, but I can just post all of them at once if you'd prefer
[21:24] Imperators: eh, whatever you prefer, really
[21:24] Ayrehead02: The Champ killed
[21:24] Ayrehead02: Finally for old stuff: Ollipom
[21:24] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ollopom
[21:24] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ollopom?oldid=11290554&diff=cur
[21:24] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Ollopom
[21:25] Ayrehead02: Update completed
[21:25] JediMasterMacaroni: keep
[21:25] Ayrehead02: Keep
[21:25] Imperators: keep
[21:25] JediMasterMacaroni: okay that's my vote for the day 😛
[21:25] Ayrehead02: Notes say keep
[21:25] Ayrehead02: See ya Macaroni 😛
[21:25] Imperators: u did good
[21:25] Ayrehead02: Ollopom kept
[21:25] Ayrehead02: On to the new stuff
[21:26] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Zeuol
[21:26] Ayrehead02: Unsourced edit since 2016. Mid Rim species category seems to be under the assumption that the addition is right, when, judging from the behind the scenes, looks like it's not confirmed at all.
Citation about being about 1.75 meters seems very speculative.
Not sure if behind the scenes sentences about the different spellings of Eeusu Estornii and Ord Zeuol are necessary for this article.
Text about plural form unspecified for species name, and it not being confirmed the species came from Ord Zeuol, don't really seem necessary here. So in other words, everything after the second sentence in second paragraph should be cut. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 03:46, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
I've checked everything listed as a source for Ord Zeuol, with nothing saying it's a planet and not another type of celestial object, from what I could find. Text needs to be either changed in the Zeuol article, or something I'm missing should be pointed out to me. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:50, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Addendum: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, Vol. II, p. 419 ("Ord") confirms that celestial objects with the "Ord" prefix in name are planets. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:18, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Checking all Eeusu Estornii sources listed for Ord Zeuol, she's said to be a Senator from Ord Zeuol, with no evidence she represented her homeworld.
[21:26] Ayrehead02: Notes say Probe
[21:26] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:26] Imperators: probe
[21:27] Ayrehead02: Zeuol probed
[21:27] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_Gotal_traffic_controller
[21:27] Ayrehead02: Those images are of rather low quality.
I have uploaded better images. StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg Winterz (talk) 02:05, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Per Jes Gistang, an infobox image with the character's eyes opened would be preferred.
Winterz fixed this. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno.png (Talk) 07:46, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Infobox title should match the article title.
Infobox-exclusive information.
Both done. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno.png (Talk) 07:46, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Does the comic support the date?
Yes. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno.png (Talk) 07:46, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Would also like to see an Equipment section.
Unsourced BTS. Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 05:23, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
Both done. LucaRoR
[21:27] Ayrehead02: Notes say spare
[21:27] Ayrehead02: Spare
[21:28] Imperators: only thing that jumps out to me is the date citation, which should be switched to Marvel, but I'm happy just doing that myself after the meeting
[21:28] Imperators: spare
[21:28] Ayrehead02: Gotal traffic controller spared
[21:28] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Sagma
[21:28] Ayrehead02: 158 words in body, needs sectioning removed
[21:28] Ayrehead02: Notes say probe
[21:28] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:28] Imperators: probe
[21:29] Ayrehead02: Battle of Sagma probed
[21:29] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_Coruscant_Police_officer_(Panza_Hondi)
[21:29] Ayrehead02: 108 words in body, needs sectioning removed.
[21:29] Ayrehead02: Notes say probe
[21:29] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:29] Imperators: probe
[21:29] Ayrehead02: CP officer probed
[21:29] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nar_Chan
[21:30] Ayrehead02: 155 words in body, needs sectioning removed
[21:30] Ayrehead02: Notes say probe
[21:30] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:30] Imperators: probe
[21:30] Ayrehead02: Nar Chan probed
[21:31] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Republic_Law_44-12
[21:31] Ayrehead02: Unsourced BtS.
Context for Ryloth.
Double links.
All done
[21:31] Ayrehead02: Notes don't mention
[21:31] Ayrehead02: Spare
[21:31] Imperators: right, so I've got a thing-and-a-half for this one :P
[21:31] Imperators: drawing in breath :P
[21:36] Imperators: I'm of the conviction that article images should be as illustrative of the subject, unambiguous, and non-misleading as possible. I open up an article and see an image greeting me, I expect the article to actually be about what's in the image. This is why you no longer see maps depicting some random dots in the galaxy - and no borders - as main images on sector status articles, and similarly it's why [[Joralla system]]'s infobox image isn't simply the infobox image of Joralla. Now, I open up this article and I expect an article about slave collars, or at least a certain type of them. Instead, I get an article about a Republic law. Admittedly, the law concerns the use of some slave collars, but I think you get my point. To make matters even worse, the particular slave collar in the image isn't even necessarily the "Rylothian slave collar" the article is specifically about. So I'd like the image to be removed and, if necessary/possible, worked into the article proper.
[21:36]
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Wiki-Bot: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Joralla_system
[21:37] Imperators: The "-and-a-half" thing, which may be exacerbated by addressing the above issue - is the intro on the long side for an article of this size?
[21:37] Ayrehead02: Hmm, image could definitely be moved down to background
[21:38] Ayrehead02: I'll do that now and then see how the intro looks
[21:41] Ayrehead02: Hmm yeah I'd say that second intro paragraph needs about a third taken off at least
[21:41] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:41] Imperators: probe
[21:41] Ayrehead02: Republic Law 44-12 probed
[21:41] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Alderaan_Ascendancy_Contention
[21:42] Ayrehead02: Behind the scenes partially uncited.
Pello Scrambas article notes conflicting IU years for the Contention, based on 2 different appearances. Assuming the information's correctly documented in the Scrambas article, the Contention article also needs to note that inconsistency. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 03:59, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
And 1,082 words by my count.
[21:42] Ayrehead02: Notes say probe
[21:42] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:42] Imperators: no contention here :P
[21:42] Imperators: probe
[21:42] Ayrehead02: Alderaan Ascendancy Contention probed
[21:42] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Halurium
[21:42] Ayrehead02: 158 words in body, needs sectioning removed.
[21:43] Ayrehead02: Notes say probe
[21:43] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:43] Imperators: probe
[21:43] Ayrehead02: Halurium probed
[21:43] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Spelunker_probe_droid/Legends
[21:43] Ayrehead02: Update required, and another source pending investigation. Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 12:06, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
A quick check shows behind the scenes not fully cited. 1st sentence should be 2 citations.
[21:43] Ayrehead02: Notes say probe
[21:43] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:43] Imperators: probe
[21:44] Ayrehead02: Spelunker probe droid probed
[21:44] Ayrehead02: The prober becomes the probee
[21:44] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kusurrun
[21:45] Ayrehead02: Two audiobooks to check and add for appearances, one of which is abridged.
Nvm, just the abridged one to check.—spookywillowwtalk 17:29, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
No mention of it. LucaRoR Sigil of House Serenno.png (Talk) 07:27, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Unsourced BtS.—spookywillowwtalk 16:46, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
Done.
[21:45] Ayrehead02: Notes say spare whatever the hell this is
[21:45] Ayrehead02: Spare
[21:45] Imperators: a couple of things, but short :P
[21:45]
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ecks: spare
[21:45] Imperators: that NJO Sourcebook reference doesn't really work
[21:46] Imperators: neither does the double-ref for the date, not at this day and age - it should generally be either clean TERC ref for the date and the novel for the rest, or (most probable in this case) a manual ref note saying "TERC dates the novel[, which includes blahblah,] to date X."
[21:47] Imperators: and thirdly, listing "frigate" under "Role" when it's already listed and linked in "Class" seems redundant to me and actually also seems like it's not what the role field is for, at least per the template documentation
[21:48] Imperators: oh, and for anyone reading this later, "the year 28 ABY" is redundant wording, people. "28 ABY" already means "28 years after the Battle of Yavin"
[21:48] Imperators: probe from me
[21:48] Ayrehead02: Does the sourcebook not say it's a Ro'ik chuun m'arh?
[21:49] Imperators: how can it say anything about Kusurrwhatever if it's not in Sources? :P
[21:49] Ayrehead02: Oh wait yeah it isn't even mentioned in that
[21:49] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:49] Imperators: if it's not in our archives...
[21:50] Ayrehead02: @ecks ?
[21:50] Imperators: lol are you serious or just very polite :P
[21:50] Ayrehead02: Gonna assume he has returned to vacationing
[21:50] OOM 224: probe
[21:50] Imperators: what the hell is this
[21:50] OOM 224: Seems like I can make the last bits of this little meeting :P
[21:50] Ayrehead02: But this does make this the first contested vote in as far back as I remember on the boards 😛
[21:51] Ayrehead02: Kusurrun probed despite a variety of cameo voter appearances 😛
[21:51] Imperators: it was 4 against 4 until you yourself voted probe :P
[21:51] Ayrehead02: As in the first one to finish contested
[21:51] Imperators: hear that, OOM, you're a celebrity
[21:52] Ayrehead02: We change are minds mid vote all the time 😛
[21:52] OOM 224: lol, I don't quite even know what I just voted for :P
[21:52] OOM 224: what's going on in here? :P
[21:52] Ayrehead02: A pancake party
[21:52] Imperators: look at the article's categories, you'll immediately learn what it is [[Kusurrun]]
[21:52]
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Wiki-Bot: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kusurrun
[21:52] Ayrehead02: Next on the menu: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kiefer
[21:52] Ayrehead02: The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, Vol. II, p. 133 ("Jaeger, Oron") says that Oron Jaeger killed Kiefer, which is also stated in the Kiefer article. However, Jaeger's article says that one of Jaeger's stormtroopers killed Kiefer in the comic, with a behind the scenes note about the CSWE error. I myself haven't checked the source comic, so this needs to be looked into. Assuming the comic indeed shows what's described in the Jaeger article, with one of Jaeger's stormtroopers killing Kiefer, this GA needs to be updated, and a behind the scenes note about the inconsistency in CSWE. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 23:57, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Done.
[21:53] Ayrehead02: I've just fixed this one, and was in the process of adding another image and mediacat when you reminded me it was meeting time
[21:53] Ayrehead02: Notes say probe (although that was prior to my fixes)
[21:53] Ayrehead02: Spare
[21:53] Imperators: publication date reference 😌
[21:54] Ayrehead02: (Obviously I'll finish the upload immediately after the meeting)
[21:54] OOM 224: What the... at least the Spanish wiki's page is helpful
[21:54] OOM 224: Spare
[21:54] Ayrehead02: Ah, I'll grab that too
[21:54] Imperators: then spare from me, as well
[21:54] Ayrehead02: Kiefer spared
21:54] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ver%C3%A9
[21:55] Ayrehead02: 152 words in body
[21:55] Ayrehead02: Notes say probe
[21:55] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:55] Imperators: probe only on the condition that "Ver%C3%A9" gets probed
[21:55] OOM 224: Ah, yes, the Naboo, whose names virtually always end with an "é"
[21:55] OOM 224: probe
[21:55] Imperators: I do love that
[21:56] Imperators: almost as much as I love ignoring that completely whenever I type
[21:56] Ayrehead02: Ver%C3%A9 probed 😛
[21:56] Imperators: YUSS
[21:56] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Florrum
[21:56] Ayrehead02: Concurrent battles and date need notes.
Would like to see another image under "The battle."
BTS needs more context regarding the comic (Example).
[21:56] Ayrehead02: Not covered by notes
[21:56] Ayrehead02: Probe
[21:56] Imperators: probe
[21:56] OOM 224: prove it
[21:56] OOM 224: probe
[21:57] Ayrehead02: Battle of Florrum probed
[21:57] Imperators: man CC is really going to get it for this isn't he
[21:57] Ayrehead02: I think this one was after he made his notes to be fair
[21:57] Imperators: saved by the bell
[21:57] Ayrehead02: And also five others just copied his notes so not sure he takes the blame alone 😛
[21:58] Ayrehead02: Finally:
[21:58] Ayrehead02: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Enso/Legends
[21:58] Ayrehead02: For final behind the scenes sentence, citations needed for the other sources (should only be a single source, the Databank entry) and the other CSWE entries listing the singular form.
Done. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:46, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Eliminate page number citations. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:27, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
Done.
[21:58] Ayrehead02: Believe I got everything here, but happy to handle anything else you spot
[21:58] Imperators: wait, a TPM article with a healthy three-paragraph section AND NO ACTUAL IMAGE FROM TPM?
[21:59] Imperators: I don't know who's article is this but this is on you specifically Ayre :P
[21:59] Ayrehead02: Yeah was just thinking that I should grab one
[21:59] Ayrehead02: Anything other than that?
[21:59] Imperators: not from me
[21:59] Ayrehead02: Spare
[22:00] Imperators: spare
[22:00] OOM 224: spare
[22:00] Ayrehead02: Enso spared
[22:01] Ayrehead02: There's a handful of stuff in the bin, but we've already gone through 14 so I think that's a good place to leave it for this meeting
[22:01] Imperators: yeah
[22:01] Ayrehead02: Anything anyone wants to discuss?
[22:01] OOM 224: nothing from me
[22:02] Imperators: I was hoping on OOM having something wise :P
[22:02] OOM 224: remove Imp from the AC and force him to review all the CANs :P
[22:02] Imperators: extreme and paradoxical, I like it
[22:03] Ayrehead02: But most of them are his CANs anyway 😛
[22:03] Ayrehead02: Anyhow, thanks for attending meeting 149 everyone
[22:03] Ayrehead02: In karmic justice, @Commander Code-8 is on paperwork
[22:03] Imperators: this was fun, I'm happy nominating Ayre for Pancake Meister in perpetuity
[22:04] OOM 224: seconded