[2021-07-31 20:08:55] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Alright, in that case then welcome all to AC Meeting 142
[2021-07-31 20:08:55] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Meeting_142
[2021-07-31 20:09:12] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss up front?
[2021-07-31 20:09:18] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Nah
[2021-07-31 20:09:24] <ecks> nope
[2021-07-31 20:09:42] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Nah
[2021-07-31 20:10:04] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Then lets start with the old
[2021-07-31 20:10:12] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> First up: Bettle
[2021-07-31 20:10:12] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bettle
[2021-07-31 20:10:18] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bettle?oldid=10401727&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:10:28] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Bettle
[2021-07-31 20:10:29] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Extend
[2021-07-31 20:10:42] <ecks> extend
[2021-07-31 20:10:46] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Extend
[2021-07-31 20:10:46] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Extend
[2021-07-31 20:10:56] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Ayre, would you mind pasting in the absentee notes please?
[2021-07-31 20:11:11] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Ah ofcourse, sorry
[2021-07-31 20:11:22] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> OOM Extend Bettle, keep Jang Li-Li, keep Gampassa, keep Fyg Boras, keep Charpp. Kill the rest. Spare Gherant, probe everything else. Support the proposals and give my vote to Tommy.
[2021-07-31 20:11:28] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Imp Notes per OOM.
[2021-07-31 20:11:40] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Zed Notes also per OOM. Support both proposals and Ayre can have my vote.
[2021-07-31 20:11:44] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Fred Same notes as OOM, Shay has my vote. MasterFred
[2021-07-31 20:12:01] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> With all that taken into account, Bettle extended
[2021-07-31 20:12:24] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Next up Jang Li-Li
[2021-07-31 20:12:25] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jang_Li-Li
[2021-07-31 20:12:28] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jang_Li-Li?oldid=10586773&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:12:39] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Jang_Li-Li
[2021-07-31 20:13:14] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Torso boy has handled the old objections but more made today
[2021-07-31 20:13:15] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Extend
[2021-07-31 20:13:17] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Extend
[2021-07-31 20:13:19] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> I added some new issues, extend
[2021-07-31 20:13:30] <ecks> extend
[2021-07-31 20:13:41] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Jang Li-Li extended
[2021-07-31 20:13:56] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Tatooine Travel Advertisement:
[2021-07-31 20:13:56] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tatooine_Travel_Advertisement
[2021-07-31 20:14:01] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tatooine_Travel_Advertisement?oldid=10586775&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:14:05] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Tatooine_Travel_Advertisement
[2021-07-31 20:14:13] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> No relevant change
[2021-07-31 20:14:13] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:14:14] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> kill
[2021-07-31 20:14:16] <ecks> kill
[2021-07-31 20:14:21] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:14:34] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Tatooine Travel Advertisement Killed
[2021-07-31 20:14:42] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Bondara's Folly:
[2021-07-31 20:14:43] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bondara%27s_Folly
[2021-07-31 20:14:47] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bondara%27s_Folly?oldid=10586777&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:14:50] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Bondara%27s_Folly
[2021-07-31 20:14:53] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> No relevant changes
[2021-07-31 20:14:54] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:14:55] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> kill
[2021-07-31 20:14:59] <ecks> kill
[2021-07-31 20:15:00] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:15:09] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Bondara's Folly killed
[2021-07-31 20:15:20] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Victorious Reign:
[2021-07-31 20:15:21] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Victorious_Reign
[2021-07-31 20:15:25] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Victorious_Reign?oldid=10586779&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:15:28] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Victorious_Reign
[2021-07-31 20:15:31] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> No relevant changes
[2021-07-31 20:15:32] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:15:34] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> kill
[2021-07-31 20:15:39] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> kill
[2021-07-31 20:15:50] <ecks> kill
[2021-07-31 20:15:58] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Victorious Reign killed
[2021-07-31 20:16:05] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Namana cream pie
[2021-07-31 20:16:05] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Namana_cream_pie
[2021-07-31 20:16:09] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Namana_cream_pie?oldid=10586781&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:16:13] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Namana_cream_pie
[2021-07-31 20:16:18] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> No relevant changes
[2021-07-31 20:16:18] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:16:20] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> kill
[2021-07-31 20:16:21] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:16:22] <ecks> kill
[2021-07-31 20:16:29] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Namana cream pie killed
[2021-07-31 20:16:44] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Black Vulkars/Legends
[2021-07-31 20:16:44] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Vulkars/Legends
[2021-07-31 20:16:48] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Vulkars/Legends?oldid=10586784&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:16:52] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Black_Vulkars/Legends
[2021-07-31 20:16:56] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> No relevant changes
[2021-07-31 20:16:56] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:16:58] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:17:03] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Kill the FA in disguise
[2021-07-31 20:17:06] <ecks> kill
[2021-07-31 20:17:21] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> FA in disguise killed
[2021-07-31 20:17:26] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Gampassa
[2021-07-31 20:17:27] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gampassa
[2021-07-31 20:17:31] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gampassa?oldid=10586786&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:17:35] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Gampassa_(second_review)
[2021-07-31 20:17:43] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Hanzo's addressed the objections
[2021-07-31 20:17:44] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Keep
[2021-07-31 20:17:45] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Keep
[2021-07-31 20:17:46] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Keep
[2021-07-31 20:17:50] <ecks> keep
[2021-07-31 20:17:54] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Gampassa kept
[2021-07-31 20:18:06] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Fyg Boras
[2021-07-31 20:18:06] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Fyg_Boras
[2021-07-31 20:18:10] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Fyg_Boras?oldid=10586788&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:18:14] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Fyg_Boras
[2021-07-31 20:18:27] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Torso Boy has responded to all objections
[2021-07-31 20:19:00] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Keep
[2021-07-31 20:19:06] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Keep
[2021-07-31 20:19:08] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Keep if no one has anything else to add
[2021-07-31 20:19:12] <ecks> intro is a bit long but keep
[2021-07-31 20:19:20] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Fyg Boras kept
[2021-07-31 20:19:28] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Battle of Kolaador
[2021-07-31 20:19:28] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Kolaador
[2021-07-31 20:19:33] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Kolaador?oldid=10586790&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:19:37] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Battle_of_Kolaador
[2021-07-31 20:19:44] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> No relevant changes
[2021-07-31 20:19:45] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Kil
[2021-07-31 20:19:47] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:20:05] <ecks> kill
[2021-07-31 20:20:05] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> kill
[2021-07-31 20:20:11] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Battle of Kolaador killed
[2021-07-31 20:20:13] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Charpp
[2021-07-31 20:20:14] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Charpp
[2021-07-31 20:20:18] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Charpp?oldid=10586792&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:20:21] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Charpp
[2021-07-31 20:20:39] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Torso boy has responded to everything here as well
[2021-07-31 20:20:55] <ecks> really dislike how the right rail isn't visible in diff view
[2021-07-31 20:21:06] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Yeah that is a pain
[2021-07-31 20:21:11] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Keep
[2021-07-31 20:21:19] <ecks> keep
[2021-07-31 20:21:21] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Hmm, intro seems a bit long, but keep anyway
[2021-07-31 20:21:23] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Keep
[2021-07-31 20:21:28] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Charpp kept
[2021-07-31 20:21:53] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Final old one: Oro Dassyne
[2021-07-31 20:21:54] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Oro_Dassyne/Legends
[2021-07-31 20:21:58] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Oro_Dassyne/Legends?oldid=10586796&diff=cur
[2021-07-31 20:22:02] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Oro_Dassyne/Legends
[2021-07-31 20:22:10] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> No relevant changes sadly
[2021-07-31 20:22:10] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:22:11] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Kill
[2021-07-31 20:22:11] <ecks> kill
[2021-07-31 20:22:12] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> kill
[2021-07-31 20:22:19] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Oro Dassyne killed
[2021-07-31 20:22:30] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Ok, onto the new stuff
[2021-07-31 20:22:35] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> First up: Gherant
[2021-07-31 20:22:42] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gherant/Legends
[2021-07-31 20:23:07] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Dates are not sourced properly. Precedent is to combine the place and date of death into one ref in the infobox. The 3 ABY date note does not support "early" 3 ABY. Info in "Personality and traits" seems to host speculation. Equipment should note cap, officer's disk, rank plaque and code cylinders. Article is within Category:Death Squadron personnel, yet this is not documented anywhere in the article itself. Shayanomer Din Djarin's
[2021-07-31 20:23:07] <ecksbot> clan.svg (talk) 20:16, 3 July 2021 (UTC) Being part of the Executor automatically means Death Squadron personnel. All others addressed. Note that personally I find it redundant to document cap, officer's disk, rank plaque and code cylinders, when the information can be gained from reading the Imperial officer's uniform article. The whole point of individual documentation of the detailed elements is only when the uniform itself doesn't have a
[2021-07-31 20:23:07] <ecksbot> unique article. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 02:54, 4 July 2021 (UTC) Fairly recent precedent says we should document the uniform in its entirety (e.g. What kind of rank plaque? How many code cylinders?). As for Death Squadron, it's very jarring to see an affiliation only represented in a category and nowhere else in the article. Again, precedent exists. Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 06:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC) Fixed that and the dating refs.
[2021-07-31 20:23:07] <ecksbot> Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 15:42, 4 July 2021 (UTC) Death Squadron is now missing from the infobox and intro. Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 18:15, 5 July 2021 (UTC) Death Squadron already in intro. Added to infobox. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 22:27, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
[2021-07-31 20:23:17] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Is there any filming information for the Executor scene? Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 06:39, 4 July 2021 (UTC) Found information about him being dubbed, as well as 1st Executor scene. Not sure if any for second. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 22:34, 5 July 2021 (UTC) All behind the scenes information found. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:18, 12 July 2021 (UTC) Per Layout Guide, full publication dates for the film and novel are needed.
[2021-07-31 20:23:18] <ecksbot> Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 17:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC) Done
[2021-07-31 20:23:29] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Hano seems to have fixed everything
[2021-07-31 20:23:53] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Keep
[2021-07-31 20:23:56] <ecks> spare :P
[2021-07-31 20:23:57] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Can't see any more issues, spare
[2021-07-31 20:23:58] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Spare
[2021-07-31 20:24:06] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> *spare 😛
[2021-07-31 20:24:11] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Gherant spared
[2021-07-31 20:24:23] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Imperial Medical Corps
[2021-07-31 20:24:23] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Medical_Corps
[2021-07-31 20:24:31] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Sizeable update needed OOM 224 ༼༽talk༼༽ 09:44, 7 July 2021 (UTC) Updated with the State of the Galaxy info, but I've seen no evidence that Onslaught includes the Corps - there aren't any NPCs I've seen in the files that match the Corps personnel, and Winterz hasn't gotten back to me with what he thought was needed.
[2021-07-31 20:24:37] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Can the date be sourced straight to Deceived? Per precedent in organization status articles, a description of the organization would go into a "Description" section above the "History." Add Deceived audiobook to Appearances. Body can use some images and paragraph breaks to fit Oasis skin. Full publication dates are required when discussing two or more sources released in the same year, per Layout Guide. BTS hosts sources
[2021-07-31 20:24:37] <ecksbot> regurgitation. Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 15:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC) All done. Cade StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg Calrayn 15:48, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Can that publication date be sourced directly to the novel? Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 15:51, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Changed the citation.
[2021-07-31 20:24:45] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Cade has addressed everything added so far
[2021-07-31 20:24:51] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Spare
[2021-07-31 20:25:02] <ecks> spare
[2021-07-31 20:25:04] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Spare
[2021-07-31 20:25:08] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Spare, hope that update doesn't come back to bite us
[2021-07-31 20:25:21] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Imperial Medical Corps spared
[2021-07-31 20:25:34] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> BBrel Ti Vorne
[2021-07-31 20:25:34] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Brel_Ti_Vorne
[2021-07-31 20:25:40] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Update required
[2021-07-31 20:25:44] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:25:48] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> probe
[2021-07-31 20:25:49] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> probe
[2021-07-31 20:26:02] <ecks> probe
[2021-07-31 20:26:10] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Brel Ti Vorne probed
[2021-07-31 20:26:21] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Unidentified female (Anchorhead)
[2021-07-31 20:26:22] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_female_(Anchorhead)
[2021-07-31 20:26:29] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> 157 words in body
[2021-07-31 20:26:31] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:26:33] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> probe
[2021-07-31 20:26:36] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> probe
[2021-07-31 20:26:38] <ecks> to the probe-machine
[2021-07-31 20:26:47] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Angry old lady probed
[2021-07-31 20:27:01] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Tomer Darpen
[2021-07-31 20:27:03] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tomer_Darpen/Legends
[2021-07-31 20:27:42] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Infobox-exclusive information. Added his height on P&T. ToRsO bOy (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Exact figure is still not present in body. Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 07:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Added figure in the P&T. ToRsO bOy (talk) 09:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Ref 2 should be rewritten to cite the actual source mentioning the information. Added SOA mention. ToRsO bOy (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Date is not sourced
[2021-07-31 20:27:42] <ecksbot> properly. Fixed. ToRsO bOy (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Body can use images. Added images. Split the body into subsections. ToRsO bOy (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC) BTS: Unsourced; unnecessary last sentence. Sourced and removed. ToRsO bOy (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Abridged audiobook should be checked for a mention and unabridged audiobook can be added to Appearances. Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 16:54, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
[2021-07-31 20:27:42] <ecksbot> Added both appearances. ToRsO bOy (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Two-speaker quotes should not be using {{Dialogue}}. Fixed. ToRsO bOy (talk) 09:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Can use paragraphs breaks to improve presentation in the Oasis skin. Done. ToRsO bOy (talk) 09:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Second image caption should connect with this article better. Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 07:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Edited. ToRsO bOy (talk) 09:40, 31
[2021-07-31 20:27:42] <ecksbot> July 2021 (UTC)
[2021-07-31 20:27:49] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Were the Tierfon Yellow Aces established to be part of the Rebel Alliance? If so, the depth of the bullet in the infobox should be increased to reflect this. Edited. ToRsO bOy (talk) 09:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC) There appears to be some underlinking (e.g. Rebel pilot/Legends, Pilot/Legends, Black market/Legends, Gravity/Legends). Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 08:38, 31 July 2021 (UTC) Added those links. ToRsO bOy (talk) 09:40,
[2021-07-31 20:27:49] <ecksbot> 31 July 2021 (UTC) Still seeing some more, such as Time/Legends and Standard year/Legends. Please go through the entire article and add links where necessary. Shayanomer Din Djarin's clan.svg (talk) 10:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC) The word "this" is discouraged when writing in-universe information. Second Biography section can use an image. Erroneous grammar in final Biography sentence.
[2021-07-31 20:28:05] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> New outstanding issues listed today
[2021-07-31 20:28:07] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:28:08] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> probe
[2021-07-31 20:28:15] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> I honestly think this should be reduxed, it has received sizable changes already
[2021-07-31 20:28:16] <ecks> as long as "this" is not a self-reference, there's nothing wrong with using the word
[2021-07-31 20:28:37] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> The changes https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tomer_Darpen/Legends?type=revision&diff=10674628&oldid=10495503
[2021-07-31 20:28:51] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Oh yeah, for sure
[2021-07-31 20:28:53] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Redux
[2021-07-31 20:28:56] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> redux
[2021-07-31 20:29:00] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Works for me. Redux
[2021-07-31 20:29:32] <ecks> I agree with redux, but none of the "this" in the article seem to be a problem to me
[2021-07-31 20:29:49] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> We still move away from it
[2021-07-31 20:29:54] <ecks> why?
[2021-07-31 20:30:01] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Unless it's used in an OOU section
[2021-07-31 20:30:14] <ecks> again, why?
[2021-07-31 20:30:19] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Because we're distancing the reader from the topic, "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away"
[2021-07-31 20:30:33] <ecks> I'm not sure what you mean by that
[2021-07-31 20:30:39] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Guys, for the sake of staying on topic and keeping the meeting moving, can this be discussed later please?
[2021-07-31 20:30:40] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> This can be used in the past tense
[2021-07-31 20:30:51] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> If we all agree on Redux then this isn't relevant to the meeting
[2021-07-31 20:30:53] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> But yeah, this can be discussed on the Redux page
[2021-07-31 20:31:23] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Tormer Darpen Reduxed
[2021-07-31 20:31:32] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Next is a T-series droid
[2021-07-31 20:31:32] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_T-series_tactical_droid_(Aayla_Secura%27s_ambush)
[2021-07-31 20:31:40] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Using "this" is discouraged when writing in-universe information. Certain details such as manufacturer, model, and height need a note. The date reference needs to be a full note instead. Ref 5 looks like it should be converted into something akin to what 4-A7 does with its own notes. BTS is missing publication date.
[2021-07-31 20:31:41] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:31:43] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:31:43] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> probe
[2021-07-31 20:31:48] <ecks> now this is a "this" problem I can agree with
[2021-07-31 20:31:49] <ecks> probe
[2021-07-31 20:32:03] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> T-series droid probed
[2021-07-31 20:32:06] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Beast of Marka Ragnos
[2021-07-31 20:32:07] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Beast_of_Marka_Ragnos
[2021-07-31 20:32:14] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> TOTJ date needs to be sourced to The Comics Companion Was its homeworld really Korriban? Either way, it's infobox-exclusive "None" is not a hair colour + dupe link in infobox Much of the context for terentatek can go, as can the mention of the Cold War BTS should be cut down to the standard of recent TOR status articles
[2021-07-31 20:32:15] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:32:22] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:32:25] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> probe
[2021-07-31 20:32:34] <ecks> probe
[2021-07-31 20:32:43] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Beast of Marka Ragnos Probed
[2021-07-31 20:32:48] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Yakun Kwaad
[2021-07-31 20:32:49] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Yakun_Kwaad
[2021-07-31 20:32:54] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Date not sourced properly. Species comes before gender in writing. Not only is the BTS unsourced, many of the details in it are superfluous. Novel series should be introduced there as well. Check abridged audiobook and add unabridged audiobook to Appearances. It would be good to investigate these sources
[2021-07-31 20:32:56] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:33:01] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> probe
[2021-07-31 20:33:04] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> probe
[2021-07-31 20:33:16] <ecks> I also question the legitimacy of the species/gender objection, but probe
[2021-07-31 20:33:20] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Yakun Kwaad probed
[2021-07-31 20:33:29] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Rendezvous on Barkhesh
[2021-07-31 20:33:30] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rendezvous_on_Barkhesh
[2021-07-31 20:33:36] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> needs an update, an imagecat, and full stops for image captions
[2021-07-31 20:33:39] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:33:41] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> probe
[2021-07-31 20:33:56] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> probe
[2021-07-31 20:34:06] <ecks> probe
[2021-07-31 20:34:10] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Redezvous on Barkhesh probed
[2021-07-31 20:34:15] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Ritual of Nathema
[2021-07-31 20:34:16] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ritual_of_Nathema
[2021-07-31 20:34:21] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> 1,367 words
[2021-07-31 20:34:22] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:34:23] <ecks> probe
[2021-07-31 20:34:25] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> probe
[2021-07-31 20:34:29] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> probe
[2021-07-31 20:34:36] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Ritual of Nathema probed
[2021-07-31 20:34:38] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Moappa
[2021-07-31 20:34:39] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Moappa
[2021-07-31 20:34:46] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Needs more images. Since achieving status, the article has been expanded greatly with newer sources, some of which don't appear to have been checked. Unsourced BTS.
[2021-07-31 20:34:47] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Probe
[2021-07-31 20:34:50] <ecks> probe
[2021-07-31 20:34:51] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> probe
[2021-07-31 20:35:09] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> probe
[2021-07-31 20:35:14] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Moappa probed
[2021-07-31 20:35:25] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Finally, Broon Ters
[2021-07-31 20:35:27] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Broon_Ters
[2021-07-31 20:35:32] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> 111 words in body
[2021-07-31 20:35:38] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> probe
[2021-07-31 20:35:39] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> probe
[2021-07-31 20:35:55] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Probe, even though I'm still mad a Shay for adding this after I brought it up earlier 😛
[2021-07-31 20:36:08] <ecks> probe
[2021-07-31 20:36:18] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Broon Ters probed
[2021-07-31 20:36:37] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> That's quite a lot of articles, so probably best to leave maintenance bin for now?
[2021-07-31 20:36:42] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> I'd say so
[2021-07-31 20:36:52] <ecks> it seems pretty empty
[2021-07-31 20:37:02] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> We've done everything from the bin
[2021-07-31 20:37:04] <ecks> don't think there's anything there that we haven't probed or killed
[2021-07-31 20:37:21] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Huh thought there was an additional update thing in there but maybe someone got it already
[2021-07-31 20:37:24] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Cool, in that case we're onto discussions
[2021-07-31 20:37:32] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Tommy, I believe you have the floor for both?
[2021-07-31 20:37:49] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Indeed, thanks
[2021-07-31 20:37:51] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> OK, so this one is Fred’s but I’ll be taking it for him
[2021-07-31 20:37:55] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> This is basically setting up a review quota for AC members, like we did for the Inq last week
[2021-07-31 20:38:03] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> 2 reviews every 2 weeks, where a review is either a support vote or an objection
[2021-07-31 20:38:11] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Members are exempt from this if they have {{Vacation}} on their user page
[2021-07-31 20:38:15] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Failure to meet this quota will result in a strike given to the offending AC member, in the same system that currently applies to meeting attendance and paperwork
[2021-07-31 20:38:22] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> The changes made to the bylaws page will look like this https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Bylaws?type=revision&diff=10662720&oldid=10575545
[2021-07-31 20:38:27] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Except for the slight change in quota (the Inq have 1 review per 2 weeks, whereas the AC is 2)
[2021-07-31 20:38:31] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> To me, this seems quite easy, but still ensures we’re all active on the GAN
[2021-07-31 20:38:34] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> That’s all
[2021-07-31 20:38:48] <ecks> the Inq quota was 1 review every 2 weeks, just checking that 2 in 2 isn't a typo here
[2021-07-31 20:38:52] <ecks> yep
[2021-07-31 20:38:54] <ecks> sounds good
[2021-07-31 20:39:07] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Yeah already heard this discussed and I'm in full support
[2021-07-31 20:39:10] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Yeah, I currently don't have an issue with reviews, support
[2021-07-31 20:39:38] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Formal vote then:
[2021-07-31 20:39:44] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Support
[2021-07-31 20:39:44] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Support
[2021-07-31 20:39:47] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> support
[2021-07-31 20:39:51] <ecks> support
[2021-07-31 20:40:02] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Productivity requirements proposal passed
[2021-07-31 20:40:12] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Your second item Tommy?
[2021-07-31 20:40:16] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> OK, me again
[2021-07-31 20:40:20] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> I want to delete {{GoodOn}} and {{GoodBetween}} and remove all uses of them from talk pages. They’re outdated now we have the main page randomiser, and are also troublesome for former GAs as they imply the article is still of status. Do we really care when these articles were put on the main page?
[2021-07-31 20:40:26] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> The history of the queue is still accessible from [[Wookieepedia:Good article queue]] so nothing is really being lost. I think this will really help tidy up talk pages and reduce any possible confusion about an article’s status
[2021-07-31 20:40:29] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> We’ve already deleted the FA ones so there’s really no sense in keeping these
[2021-07-31 20:40:31] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> That's it
[2021-07-31 20:40:39] <ecks> kill em
[2021-07-31 20:41:00] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Yeah sounds sensible, the former article thing has especially always irked me
[2021-07-31 20:41:30] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> A relic of the past that has since lost its purpose
[2021-07-31 20:41:50] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Alright, vote to delete GoodOn and GoodBetween:
[2021-07-31 20:41:51] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Support
[2021-07-31 20:41:54] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> support
[2021-07-31 20:41:54] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Support
[2021-07-31 20:42:02] <ecks> support
[2021-07-31 20:42:11] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Vote to delete passes
[2021-07-31 20:42:30] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Anyone have anything else? Ecks, did you want to discuss the big changes now?
[2021-07-31 20:42:46] <ecks> yeah, most of you have probably seen the flowchart but here it is anyway: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834132418742452231/870964490370420766/Capture27.PNG
[2021-07-31 20:42:52] <ecks> I'm not going to propose anything formal tonight
[2021-07-31 20:43:06] <ecks> there are some details that need to be discussed before anything formal can happen
[2021-07-31 20:43:11] <ecks> the maintenance bin, for instance
[2021-07-31 20:43:23] <ecks> this meeting also made me realize we can redux GAs without them going via GAR first
[2021-07-31 20:43:30] <ecks> we need a mechanism for that in the new system as well
[2021-07-31 20:43:58] <ecks> the floor is open for brainstorming
[2021-07-31 20:43:58] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Would it not make sense to just add things to the subpage as soon as you add any tag that would put something in the maintenance bin?
[2021-07-31 20:44:13] <ecks> well, we can't trust people to do that now, can we?
[2021-07-31 20:44:20] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Could we automate it?
[2021-07-31 20:44:26] <ecks> ultimately, that responsibility is on the AC
[2021-07-31 20:44:32] <ecks> not trivially, from what I can see
[2021-07-31 20:44:35] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> I mean the maintenance bin and the AC subpage are basically the same thing right?
[2021-07-31 20:44:52] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> A list of status articles with issues that have not yet been formally probed
[2021-07-31 20:44:57] <ecks> yeah I suppose, but someone (i.e. the AC) needs to go over the maintenance bin regularly and create an AC subpage
[2021-07-31 20:45:22] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> I thought we were removing the Redux process on probations are on-site
[2021-07-31 20:45:43] <ecks> yeah, precisely, but what do we do with GAs that undergo large expansions?
[2021-07-31 20:45:53] <ecks> do we make them go through the new GAR process as well?
[2021-07-31 20:46:01] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> I don't see why not
[2021-07-31 20:46:07] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> We can't instantly kill them
[2021-07-31 20:46:13] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> If wer're basically reviewing those
[2021-07-31 20:46:16] <ecks> do they also need a 1 week waiting time?
[2021-07-31 20:46:17] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> *we're
[2021-07-31 20:46:29] <ecks> like, you can't fix "Large-scale changes that need to be reviewed" in that 1 week :P
[2021-07-31 20:46:36] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> See [[Aaph Koden]], which had a word count issue before the original nominator trimmed some stuff to resolve it
[2021-07-31 20:47:34] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> I suppose we'd just put them on the AC subpage, and then we'd review before probing, if none of us found any issues we'd just vote to spare
[2021-07-31 20:47:51] <ecks> hmm yeah that's a good point
[2021-07-31 20:48:05] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah that could work
[2021-07-31 20:48:12] <ecks> yeah i like that idea
[2021-07-31 20:48:29] <ecks> OK, next talking point
[2021-07-31 20:48:44] <ecks> so we were talking last night about how to handle objections on GARs
[2021-07-31 20:48:51] <ecks> like, currently we do not strike anything, realy
[2021-07-31 20:48:59] <ecks> should we be doing that?
[2021-07-31 20:49:09] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> I think striking would make it much easier to follow
[2021-07-31 20:49:09] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> I think we should
[2021-07-31 20:49:14] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah
[2021-07-31 20:49:23] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> To be honest the closer to normal reviews this is the simpler it will be to understand
[2021-07-31 20:49:29] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> I guess we could, I'm not sure why we never did it till now
[2021-07-31 20:49:35] <ecks> Let's just say, for the sake of conversation, that I find a GA with issues, create an AC subpage, and the page gets probed
[2021-07-31 20:49:49] <ecks> am I personally responsible for striking whenever the issues are fixed?
[2021-07-31 20:49:57] <ecks> or is that the AC's responsibility?
[2021-07-31 20:50:09] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> I'd be ok with any AC striking them
[2021-07-31 20:50:18] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> That could be an issue with certain objections that are more subjective in nature
[2021-07-31 20:50:35] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> One AC wants to strike it, but another objects
[2021-07-31 20:50:38] <ecks> someone had a good idea last night
[2021-07-31 20:50:42] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> We could give a 24 hour window for the original objector to strike perhaps
[2021-07-31 20:51:19] <ecks> so for the sake of conversation, let's split "issues" into two categories: "Initial issues", those that are added to the AC subpage before a probation is initiated; and "New issues", those that are added after the probation is initiated
[2021-07-31 20:51:45] <ecks> the AC should be responsible for striking Initial issues, whereas New issues should be struck by the one who added them
[2021-07-31 20:52:06] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Then new issues would have subheaders from individual reviewers like a GAN?
[2021-07-31 20:52:06] <ecks> If one AC strikes an Initial issue and another AC disagrees, they can just add a New issue
[2021-07-31 20:52:07] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Yeah, now that can work
[2021-07-31 20:52:09] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> I like that
[2021-07-31 20:52:22] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Makes sense to me
[2021-07-31 20:52:36] <ecks> of course, the AC would be able to override any New issues
[2021-07-31 20:52:45] <ecks> just like we can override GAN objections
[2021-07-31 20:53:10] <ecks> and yet another talking point
[2021-07-31 20:53:29] <ecks> should we be counting normal user's keep votes as well? or is that just AC?
[2021-07-31 20:53:40] <ecks> we allow user votes on the GAN, why not on the GAR?
[2021-07-31 20:53:55] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Should be left to the AC imo
[2021-07-31 20:54:07] <ecks> I don't have strong feelings either way
[2021-07-31 20:54:20] <ecks> I just feel like allowing user votes could both increase participation and alleviate our workload somewhat
[2021-07-31 20:54:25] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Honestly I wouldn't be against letting regs in, though of course AC votes would need to hold more wight
[2021-07-31 20:54:29] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> *weight
[2021-07-31 20:54:39] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, per Ecks
[2021-07-31 20:54:40] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> It should definitely require atleast some AC votes, but I'd be ok with a system similar to normal noms
[2021-07-31 20:54:40] <ecks> right now we need 4? votes to keep an article
[2021-07-31 20:54:41] <ecks> I forgot
[2021-07-31 20:54:42] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Too many times we've had users give blind supports
[2021-07-31 20:54:48] <ecks> don't see why 3+2 would be a major issue
[2021-07-31 20:55:37] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> There's far more good non-AC reviews then blind ones
[2021-07-31 20:56:01] <ecks> would the original nominator be allowed to vote Keep?
[2021-07-31 20:56:34] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> I don't see why not, we allow it on redux
[2021-07-31 20:56:37] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> ^
[2021-07-31 20:56:39] <ecks> agreed
[2021-07-31 20:56:44] <ecks> once an article is passed, it becomes public domain :P
[2021-07-31 20:57:17] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> I mean they're all technically public domain at all times, we just all play nice 😛
[2021-07-31 20:57:20] <ecks> heh
[2021-07-31 20:57:29] <ecks> anyway, thanks for the input
[2021-07-31 20:57:29] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> I have one small thing
[2021-07-31 20:57:33] <ecks> shoot
[2021-07-31 20:57:45] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> I think I'd like to see some proper archiving for probation pages
[2021-07-31 20:57:55] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> At the moment they just change category and that's in
[2021-07-31 20:57:58] <ecks> yeah
[2021-07-31 20:58:05] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> I'd like to see a full archive like GANs and Reduxes
[2021-07-31 20:58:13] <ecks> I'm going to create a prototype WP:GAR and paperwork instructions
[2021-07-31 20:58:13] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Yeah I always wondered why we never put a div around them
[2021-07-31 20:58:20] <ecks> I anticipate more issues popping up during that process
[2021-07-31 20:58:23] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Agreed, the more consistent the processes are the better
[2021-07-31 20:58:30] <ecks> at which point I'll poke you guys again
[2021-07-31 20:59:27] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Super, nice work thinking through all of this ecks
[2021-07-31 20:59:38] <ecks> \o/
[2021-07-31 20:59:43] <ecks> alright, it's 10 PM on a Saturday
[2021-07-31 20:59:47] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Yeah thanks for going through this
[2021-07-31 20:59:49] <ecks> it's almost time for bed :P
[2021-07-31 20:59:57] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Anyone have anything else before we call it a day?
[2021-07-31 21:00:01] <ecksbot> <UberSoldat> Nah
[2021-07-31 21:00:04] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> Nothing from em
[2021-07-31 21:00:06] <ecksbot> <Tommy-Macaroni> *me
[2021-07-31 21:00:20] <ecks> release us, host
[2021-07-31 21:00:27] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Great, in that case thanks for attending everyone
[2021-07-31 21:00:33] <ecksbot> <Ayrehead02> Imperators is on paperwork and scheduling