21:01:07<@MasterFred> Well, let's go ahead and get started.
21:01:17<@MasterFred> Welcome to Meeting 128, gentlemen.
21:01:28<@AnilSerifoglu> Yes sir
21:01:32<@MasterFred> :D
21:07:01<@MasterFred> Awesome. Let's begin the slaughter.
21:07:03<@AnilSerifoglu> Nope
21:07:20<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unagin
21:07:24<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997921
21:07:27<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Unagin_(second_review)
21:07:52<@ecks> kill
21:07:55<@AnilSerifoglu> Kill
21:07:56<@Ayrehead02> Kill
21:07:56<@Toprawa> Kill
21:07:58<@MasterFred> Body is still insufficient
21:07:58<@MasterFred> kill
21:07:59<@Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
21:08:06<@MasterFred> Unagin killed
21:08:17<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_jungle_world_(Sith_Empire)
21:08:20<@ecks> FCAN to GAN to GA to FGA to FCAN to GA to FGA
21:08:22<@ecks> nice character arc
21:08:22<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997929
21:08:26<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Unidentified_jungle_world_(Sith_Empire)
21:08:29<@AnilSerifoglu> Kill
21:08:35<@ecks> kill
21:08:37<@Toprawa> Kill
21:08:39<@Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
21:08:44<@MasterFred> kill
21:08:58<@Ayrehead02> Kill
21:09:00<@MasterFred> Unidentified jungle world killed
21:09:11<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vo
21:09:16<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997937
21:09:19<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Vo_(second_review)
21:09:21<@MasterFred> no change
21:09:22<@MasterFred> kill
21:09:23<@Ayrehead02> Kill
21:09:25<@AnilSerifoglu> Kill
21:09:25<@Tommy-Macaroni> KILL
21:09:26<@Toprawa> Kill
21:09:28<@ecks> kill
21:09:31<@MasterFred> Vo killed
21:09:42<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Xerxes
21:09:47<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997949
21:09:50<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Xerxes_(second_review)
21:09:52<@MasterFred> no change
21:09:53<@MasterFred> kill
21:09:53<@Tommy-Macaroni> kill
21:09:53<@Toprawa> Kill
21:09:55<@AnilSerifoglu> Kill
21:09:58<@ecks> kill
21:10:12<@MasterFred> Xerxes killed
21:10:23<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Atale
21:10:27<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997955
21:10:30<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Atale
21:11:00<@MasterFred> Seems Imperators and Anil did some work
21:11:01<@ecks> hmm is this a redux
21:11:21<@MasterFred> I would agree. That's a significant rewrite
21:11:24<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah I'd say the changes are significant
21:11:26<@Ayrehead02> Redux
21:11:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> Redux
21:11:31<@ecks> to the abyss
21:11:33<@ecks> redux
21:11:35<@MasterFred> redux
21:11:37<@AnilSerifoglu> I've just made some linking, the rest is all Imp
21:11:40<@AnilSerifoglu> Redux
21:11:59<@Toprawa> Redux
21:12:06<@MasterFred> Atale reduxed
21:12:17<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Abbaji_(Kalee_system)
21:12:21<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997958
21:12:24<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Abbaji_(Kalee_system)
21:12:35<@Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
21:12:35<@MasterFred> no relevant changes
21:12:37<@ecks> kill
21:12:36<@MasterFred> kill
21:12:38<@AnilSerifoglu> Kill
21:12:38<@Toprawa> Kill
21:12:39<@Ayrehead02> Kill
21:12:48<@MasterFred> Abbaji (Kalee system)
21:12:49<@MasterFred> killed
21:13:02<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Abrion_Major/Legends
21:13:06<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997960
21:13:08<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Abrion_Major/Legends
21:13:11<@MasterFred> no change
21:13:12<@MasterFred> kill
21:13:12<@Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
21:13:15<@AnilSerifoglu> Kill
21:13:18<@Toprawa> Kill
21:13:19<@Ayrehead02> Kill
21:13:29<@ecks> kill
21:13:33<@MasterFred> Abrion Major/Legends killed
21:13:44<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Great_Clan_Wars
21:13:48<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997964
21:13:51<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Great_Clan_Wars
21:13:59<@Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
21:14:01<@Toprawa> Kill
21:14:01<@Ayrehead02> Kill
21:14:02<@AnilSerifoglu> Kill
21:14:04<@ecks> kill
21:14:03<@MasterFred> no change kill
21:14:10<@MasterFred> Great Clan Wars killed
21:14:24<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kao_Cen_Darach
21:14:26<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997976
21:14:30<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Kao_Cen_Darach_(fourth_review)
21:14:44<@Tommy-Macaroni> Kill
21:14:46<@Ayrehead02> Kill
21:14:49<@ecks> kill
21:14:48<@AnilSerifoglu> Kill
21:14:49<@MasterFred> kill
21:14:49<@Toprawa> Kill
21:15:00<@MasterFred> Kao Cen Darach killed
21:15:10<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/WED-15-I662
21:15:13<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997970
21:15:17<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/WED-15-I662
21:15:36<@Ayrehead02> Think I got everything here
21:15:42<@AnilSerifoglu> I agree
21:15:48<@ecks> seems minor enough
21:15:51<@ecks> no redux for me
21:15:52<@ecks> keep
21:15:53<@AnilSerifoglu> Keep
21:15:54<@Ayrehead02> Keep
21:16:03<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah. Nothing significant, just some nice cleanup
21:16:04<@Tommy-Macaroni> Kepp
21:16:07<@Tommy-Macaroni> *Keep
21:16:13<@MasterFred> keep
21:16:57<@MasterFred> Any thoughts, Tope?
21:17:04<@Toprawa> No :P
21:17:10<@MasterFred> WED-15-1662 kept
21:17:21<@MasterFred> Fair enough haha
21:17:32<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/J1-P0
21:17:35<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8997978
21:17:38<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/J1-P0
21:17:43<@MasterFred> no change
21:17:44<@MasterFred> kill
21:17:44<@AnilSerifoglu> Kill
21:17:46<@Tommy-Macaroni> Killlllll
21:17:54<@Ayrehead02> Kill
21:18:08<@ecks> kill
21:18:29<@MasterFred> J1-P0 killed
21:18:43<@MasterFred> Ok, time for new articles.
21:18:52<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Royal_Crusader
21:18:56<@MasterFred> One of my own
21:19:00<@MasterFred> 141 words
21:19:07<@ecks> to the gallows
21:19:09<@ecks> probe
21:19:07<@Ayrehead02> Probe
21:19:08<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
21:19:09<@Toprawa> Probe
21:19:12<@MasterFred> probe
21:19:16<@AnilSerifoglu> Probe
21:19:25<@MasterFred> Royal Crusader probed
21:19:36<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Oasis
21:19:42<@MasterFred> This one is over the word limit
21:19:49<@AnilSerifoglu> Probe
21:19:50<@Ayrehead02> Probe
21:19:51<@MasterFred> 1,112 words
21:19:53<@MasterFred> probe
21:19:56<@ecks> probe
21:19:56<@Toprawa> Probe
21:19:59<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
21:20:05<@MasterFred> Imperial Oasis probed
21:20:17<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Aaph_Koden
21:20:20<@MasterFred> 1,030 words
21:20:23<@MasterFred> probe
21:20:24<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
21:20:32<@Ayrehead02> Probe
21:20:35<@ecks> probe
21:20:37<@AnilSerifoglu> Probe
21:20:39<@Toprawa> Probe
21:20:46<@MasterFred> Aaph Koden probed
21:20:48<@Toprawa> Can we skip Hanzo's thing? I'd prefer to kick the can down the proverbial road for a Redux.
21:20:51<@ecks> I'm gonna get some Pepsi, auto-probe for the foreseeable future
21:20:57<@Toprawa> We have 10 things to probe otherwise
21:21:08<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes
21:21:30<@Toprawa> Also, Tommy's sig change is changing my worldview
21:21:34<@Tommy-Macaroni> Hah
21:21:36<@AnilSerifoglu> Agreed
21:21:38<@MasterFred> Sounds good to me.
21:21:44<@MasterFred> Also yes, that was a shock. haha
21:21:44<@Tommy-Macaroni> I grew up :P
21:21:46<@Ayrehead02> Yeah it rocked everyone's world while you were gone :P
21:22:10<@MasterFred> Skipping over Christya for the time being.
21:22:26<@MasterFred> And the next one was taken to FAN
21:22:36<@Toprawa> We should still probe
21:22:41<@Toprawa> The FAN means nothing
21:22:47<@Toprawa> It could easily not pass or sit there for a year :P
21:22:55<@ecks> the AC bureaucracy stops for no man
21:22:58<@MasterFred> True enough
21:22:58<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/EV-9D9
21:22:59<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
21:23:03<@ecks> probe, I suppose
21:23:02<@MasterFred> Over the word limit
21:23:02<@Toprawa> Probe
21:23:04<@MasterFred> probe
21:23:11<@AnilSerifoglu> Probe
21:23:12<@Ayrehead02> Probe
21:23:21<@MasterFred> EV-9D9 probed
21:23:44<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Stew_(clone_gunner)
21:23:52<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?title=Stew_%28clone_gunner%29&diff=9002580&oldid=8969352
21:24:00<@MasterFred> Shay is in essence requesting a redux
21:24:08<@Toprawa> Pass
21:24:15* @ecks groans
21:24:17<@Toprawa> We have something else to probe in the Bin
21:24:33<@Tommy-Macaroni> None of those are major changes
21:24:35<@Tommy-Macaroni> Pass
21:24:37<@MasterFred> Yeah, doesn't seem major enough for redux
21:24:39<@ecks> from a cursory glance it looks fine
21:24:40<@ecks> spare
21:24:42<@MasterFred> spare
21:24:43<@Ayrehead02> Spare
21:24:45<@AnilSerifoglu> Spare
21:24:47<@Tommy-Macaroni> spare
21:24:58<@Toprawa> Spare
21:25:05<@MasterFred> Stew (clone gunner) spared
21:25:25<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Most_Honourable_Guild_of_Armourers
21:25:37<@MasterFred> Redirects.
21:25:37<@MasterFred> Unsourced BTS, which also needs a date.
21:25:37<@MasterFred> Poor and informal grammar.
21:25:37<@MasterFred> Section headers need looking at per more recent precedent.
21:25:37<@MasterFred> General underlinking.
21:25:43<@AnilSerifoglu> Probe
21:25:43<@MasterFred> Probe
21:25:46<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
21:25:47<@Ayrehead02> Probe
21:25:47<@Toprawa> Probe
21:25:53<@ecks> probe
21:25:58<@MasterFred> The Most Honourable Guild of Armourers probed
21:26:12<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wyrpuuk_Cha
21:26:21<@MasterFred> Dup link.
21:26:21<@MasterFred> Need to check whether the dates can be sourced to that New Jedi Order novel.
21:26:21<@MasterFred> BTS needs sourcing and purging of unnecessary info.
21:26:21<@MasterFred> Biography needs breaking up into subsections with smaller paragraphs.
21:26:21<@MasterFred> Grammatical errors.
21:26:24<@Ayrehead02> Think I got everything on this one as well
21:26:30<@ecks> superb
21:26:30<@ecks> spare
21:26:30<@MasterFred> Ayre claims to have fixed it. We shall see :P
21:27:17<@AnilSerifoglu> Spare
21:27:18<@MasterFred> Looks good to me
21:27:19<@MasterFred> spare
21:27:25<@Ayrehead02> Spare
21:27:28<@Tommy-Macaroni> You didn't fix the dup link :P
21:27:32<@Tommy-Macaroni> But spare
21:27:37<@Ayrehead02> Wait what
21:27:54<@Tommy-Macaroni> [[planet]]
21:27:59<@MasterFred> There, fixed it :p
21:27:59<@Ayrehead02> Oh lol I actually removed the original dupe but added that one :P
21:28:07<@Ayrehead02> Oops
21:28:11<@MasterFred> now spare
21:28:39<@Toprawa> Spare
21:28:42<@MasterFred> Wyrpuuk Cha spared
21:28:52<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Fedje
21:29:02<@MasterFred> BTS needs sourcing, dating, and the grid position.
21:29:02<@MasterFred> I doubt Vision of the Future can provide those dates.
21:29:02<@MasterFred> Remove page numbers from refs. And the full stops (periods) which are there for some reason.
21:29:02<@MasterFred> The image in this article is the same one used to depict Toprawa/Legends. This should be explained in the BTS, at least. Tommy-Macaroni 17:00, May 14, 2020 (UTC)
21:29:02<@MasterFred> Infobox exclusive info.
21:29:07<@Tommy-Macaroni> Ignore the image thing
21:29:14<@MasterFred> ignored
21:29:15<@Tommy-Macaroni> I was blind, the BTS does mention it
21:29:19<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
21:29:20<@MasterFred> probe
21:29:20<@AnilSerifoglu> Probe
21:29:21<@Ayrehead02> Probe
21:29:23<@ecks> probe
21:29:22<@Toprawa> Probe
21:29:31<@MasterFred> Fedje probed
21:29:45<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vo_Lian
21:29:49<@MasterFred> BTS needs an overhaul: sourcing, purging of unnecessary info, dates, context, and links.
21:29:49<@MasterFred> Can the novel be used to source the date refs?
21:29:49<@MasterFred> Infobox exclusive information. Tommy-Macaroni 17:00, May 14, 2020 (UTC)
21:29:49<@MasterFred> Aesthetically the article is rather bland. Any more quotes or images to be added? I think it may be good to break up paragraphs, maybe subsectioning?
21:30:00<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
21:30:00<@Toprawa> I'm pretty sure it can't, to answer the date question
21:30:01<@MasterFred> Probe
21:30:02<@Toprawa> That needs ERC
21:30:04<@Toprawa> Probe
21:30:15<@AnilSerifoglu> Probe
21:30:17<@Ayrehead02> Probe
21:30:30<@ecks> probe
21:30:34<@MasterFred> Vo Lian probed
21:30:44<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rokarn_Vth%27naar
21:30:49<@MasterFred> Intro can definitely be expanded.
21:30:49<@MasterFred> BTS needs dating and referencing.
21:30:49<@MasterFred> The article is lacking contextually.
21:30:49<@MasterFred> Underlinking
21:30:55<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
21:30:56<@AnilSerifoglu> Probe
21:30:58<@MasterFred> Probe
21:31:00<@Toprawa> Probe
21:31:01<@Ayrehead02> Probe
21:31:05<@ecks> probe
21:31:07<@MasterFred> Rokarn Vth'naar probed
21:31:19<@Tommy-Macaroni> Lovely jubbly
21:31:28<@MasterFred> Now for the bin
21:31:44<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Veshta
21:32:03<@AnilSerifoglu> The date unsourced
21:32:05<@AnilSerifoglu> Probe
21:32:06<@MasterFred> Date ref
21:32:08<@MasterFred> Probe
21:32:12<@Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?title=Veshta&diff=9050379&oldid=9048306
21:32:14<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe
21:32:16<@Ayrehead02> Ah EJ nom, that's unfortunate
21:32:19<@Toprawa> Probe
21:32:19<@Ayrehead02> But probe
21:32:41<@MasterFred> Veshta probed
21:32:50<@MasterFred> Alright, nice work, gents.
21:32:56<@ecks> thanks m8
21:33:05<@MasterFred> Any other articles anyone was hiding?
21:33:26<@MasterFred> No? Cool
21:33:26<@Tommy-Macaroni> No more from me
21:33:34<@MasterFred> Now for discussion items
21:33:37<@Tommy-Macaroni> OOOH
21:33:38<@MasterFred> Tommy, the floor is yours.
21:33:49<@Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks. So yeah, I want to kick things off discussing the possibility of a {{GANvotes}} template. I don’t think this will be a particularly controversial topic, but me being me I’ve prewritten paragraphs explaining it:
21:33:58<@Tommy-Macaroni> This would work the same way as the {{FANvotes}} version, in that you input user and AC votes into the template, and it automatically totals then and displays how many AC votes are needed for the minimum, and how many additional AC or user votes are needed to pass.
21:34:09<@Tommy-Macaroni> I remember when I was new to the article reviewing scene, and asking why the GAN didn’t have a template for this like the FAN does. The answer I was given was that the FAN voting system is more complicated, and the GAN is more simple. And this is true, all of us know 5 votes with a minimum of three AC votes off by heart. However, it’s becoming more and more apparent that non-ACs aren’t at all
21:34:09<@Tommy-Macaroni> aware of this system. The GAN is full of nominations with 3+ user votes ,and not long ago, it had two GANs with 5 non-AC votes. That’s 6 article reviews that were essentially pointless. Now, of course, this isn’t really an issue in itself, having user votes is great for us as we don’t have to review as many articles, and it’s nice to see such interest in people reviewing GANs at the moment.
21:34:09<@Tommy-Macaroni> The issue is that non-ACs who don’t know the necessary amount of user votes for a GAN are essentially wasting their time reviewing articles that don’t need their vote, when they could be reviewing articles that do need more user votes.
21:34:32<@ecks> while the GAN system isn't as complicated as the FAN, I don't see why not
21:34:35<@ecks> it doesn't really have any cons
21:34:37<@Tommy-Macaroni> Introducing this template would not be to deter users reviewing GANs, more to direct their attention to articles that would benefit from user votes, and easily let them know when an article doesn’t need to be reviewed by them. I also think it’s nice for users who don’t know the different review bodies’ vote requirements to easily see how close their article is to archiving status.
21:34:51<@Tommy-Macaroni> I’ve already created the template and it’s all working.
21:34:51<@Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Template:GANvotes
21:34:51<@Tommy-Macaroni> I’ve tested all reasonable variables here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Tommy-Macaroni/Review_workbench#Template:GANvotes
21:34:56<@Tommy-Macaroni> BTW, if this passes, I’ve already prepared {{CANvotes}} to present at the next EC meeting so all review pages are uniform
21:34:56<@Tommy-Macaroni> That’s it, I open the floor.
21:35:06<@ecks> sorry for interrupting you there :P
21:35:07<@ecks> support
21:35:15<@AnilSerifoglu> Support
21:35:19<@Toprawa> Support
21:35:19<@Ayrehead02> Having already looked at this and discussed it with Tommy it looks great
21:35:21<@MasterFred> I've wanted this for some time. Support
21:35:22<@Ayrehead02> Support
21:35:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> Dw. And yeah, I see no real cons. It's not to deter user votes, just put them somewhere needed
21:35:28<@Tommy-Macaroni> Support
21:35:45<@MasterFred> Motion to creat {{GANvotes}} passed
21:35:48<@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool, I'll implement that after the meeting
21:36:01<@MasterFred> Ayrehead, the floor is now yours.
21:36:25<@Ayrehead02> First up is a very minor proposal more out of consistency then anything
21:37:02<@Ayrehead02> The fact that we have {{EC}} for EduCorps votes and {{Acvote}} for AC votes is annoyingly inconsistent
21:37:16<@Ayrehead02> I propose we change Acvote to just {{AC}} for consistency
21:37:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> I've already discussed this with Ayre and I think it's a good idea. This is a very simple bot job I can do after the meeting, and I think for consistency, aesthetics, and simplicity, it's worth doing
21:37:35<@Toprawa> It actually has more to do with being consistent with {{Inqvote}}
21:37:40<@Toprawa> EC is the one that does it differently
21:37:45<@Ayrehead02> We did discuss that
21:37:50<@Toprawa> Jus saying
21:38:10<@Tommy-Macaroni> If this passes I plan on presenting a change to Inqvote next Inqmoot
21:38:22<@ecks> I honestly don't care either way :P
21:38:25<@Tommy-Macaroni> I think the simplicity of AC and Inq is better
21:38:28<@Tommy-Macaroni> Support
21:38:28<@MasterFred> I personally would prefer to change them all to the shortest version, but I'm also not an Inq, so I can't speak to that.
21:38:46<@Ayrehead02> Yeah as the others have already said, the simplest option seemed best and has no cons I can see
21:38:49<@Ayrehead02> Support
21:38:52<@ecks> I dislike the lowercase "c" in Acvote so yeah
21:38:53<@ecks> Support
21:39:04<@Ayrehead02> Yeah that c also bothered me a lot
21:39:09<@MasterFred> I'll support
21:39:25<@Toprawa> Support
21:39:28<@AnilSerifoglu> Support
21:39:42<@MasterFred> Motion to change {{Acvote}} to {{AC}} passed
21:39:49<@MasterFred> The floor is yours again, Ayre.
21:40:28<@Ayrehead02> Ok thanks, again this hopefully shouldn't be too controversial and has already passed in the EC
21:40:59<@Ayrehead02> I was going to link to the rule on the CAN page, but my internet has picked this very inopportune moment to stop loading pages
21:41:15<@ecks> A user must have successfully completed one nomination and had the article reach Comprehensive status before they can have two nominations active on the nomination page at once. Likewise, users must have made two successful nominations before they can make three nominations at once, and three successful nominations before they can make four.
21:41:23<@Ayrehead02> Perfect thanks ecks
21:41:37<@Ayrehead02> I propose we do the same here
21:41:51<@ecks> I think this is a good solution for a very real issue where eager first-timers dump 4 articles on the page and then get overwhelmed
21:42:08<@AnilSerifoglu> Agreed
21:42:19<@Ayrehead02> Exactly, it helps them stay focused and means that we don't get demotivated and have to make the same objections to basic things four times over
21:42:21<@ecks> but this also means we have a bigger responsibility to actually review these first-time noms within a reasonable time window
21:42:30<@Ayrehead02> Definitely
21:42:32<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes, per ecks
21:42:34<@Tommy-Macaroni> Support
21:42:39<@Toprawa> I'm good with it, but I want to see the proposal worded more specifically
21:42:48<@Toprawa> One moment:
21:43:17<@Ayrehead02> I did feel weird writing the EC rule without you there to spot check it for legalese Tope :P
21:46:20<@Toprawa> Users must successfully complete one Good article nomination before they can have two nominations active on the GAN page at one time. Likewise, users must complete two successful GA nominations before they can make three, and three successful GA nominations before they can make four.
21:46:28<@Toprawa> It's minor, but the type of nomination should be specified
21:46:45<@ecks> works for me
21:46:47<@Ayrehead02> Same
21:46:47<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes, I like
21:46:50<@MasterFred> good catch
21:46:51<@AnilSerifoglu> Support
21:46:53<@Tommy-Macaroni> Support
21:46:54<@MasterFred> Support
21:46:55<@Ayrehead02> Support
21:46:56<@Toprawa> Support
21:47:01<@ecks> wait, should it be "have" rather than "make"?
21:47:12<@Toprawa> Sure
21:47:34<@MasterFred> Motion to add the 1-2-3-4 GAN rule passes
21:48:04<@MasterFred> Ayre, you had mentioned waiting for you next discussion item. Did you want to go ahead with it or wait until next meeting?
21:48:26<@Ayrehead02> I still think having everyone present would be good since it's fairly contentious
21:48:34<@Ayrehead02> Does anyone strongly disagree?
21:48:39<@Toprawa> What was it about again?
21:48:50<@ecks> requiring a successful CAN before allowing a GAN
21:48:57<@Toprawa> Oh
21:49:00<@ecks> and I oppose :P
21:49:04<@Toprawa> I would be ok with not doing that
21:49:22<@Toprawa> I've long talked about how the GAN is a better instructional setting than CAN is
21:49:29<@Toprawa> It's actually more beneficial for people to cut their teeth on GAN, IMO
21:49:32<@MasterFred> We're only missing Imperators, right?
21:49:37<@Ayrehead02> Indeed
21:49:42<@Ayrehead02> And he voted support in his notes
21:49:49<@MasterFred> Ok
21:50:00<@MasterFred> First thing's first, do we want to wait for everyone to be present?
21:50:05<@Tommy-Macaroni> I think waiting will also give us time to see how the 1-2-3-4 rule impacts the GAN
21:50:10<@MasterFred> I agree
21:50:12<@Tommy-Macaroni> I'm fine with waiting
21:50:14<@Ayrehead02> Yeah I also think waiting makes sense
21:50:27<@Toprawa> Well
21:50:32<@Toprawa> Point:
21:50:40<@Toprawa> How often do we ever have a meeting where everyone is present?
21:50:43<@MasterFred> I personally think the 1234 rule is sufficient. I'd like to see that proven right or wrong. I currently oppose the new rule.
21:50:43<@Toprawa> This is about as good as it gets
21:50:58<@Toprawa> We're waiting for something that might never happen
21:51:04<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, good point
21:51:06<@MasterFred> I also agree there. I don't think we should wait until everyone is here.
21:51:07<@Toprawa> Imperators has voiced is opinion
21:51:15<@Ayrehead02> Sure, we can do it now then
21:51:17<@MasterFred> I just think we wait until the 1234 rule plays out.
21:51:37<@AnilSerifoglu> Per Fred
21:51:38<@Toprawa> I don't think it makes much of a difference, honestly
21:52:09<@Toprawa> I have to go soon anyways, though
21:52:15<@Toprawa> So whatevs
21:52:19<@ecks> ~oppose
21:52:19<@Toprawa> Let's just keep it moving
21:52:20<@Ayrehead02> In that case lets hold it
21:52:29<@MasterFred> This could be a very long discussion.
21:52:32<@Ayrehead02> Atleast until next meeting
21:52:39<@MasterFred> I'm gonna say we hold it until next meeting.
21:52:39<@Ayrehead02> Yeah
21:52:43<@MasterFred> We've been here almost an hour.
21:53:01<@MasterFred> I don't want to take up more than an hour of your guys' day.
21:53:09<@Toprawa> I don't want you to either :P
21:53:22<@MasterFred> Fair enough. haha
21:53:24<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, that discussion may be a long one
21:53:27<@Tommy-Macaroni> I'm fine to stall
21:53:34<@Ayrehead02> Coolio
21:53:36<@AnilSerifoglu> ^
21:53:37<@MasterFred> I think that's good for today. Any further quick items?
21:53:48<@ecks> nay
21:53:53<@Tommy-Macaroni> Nope
21:53:54<@Toprawa> No
21:53:56<@Ayrehead02> Nope, 3 was enough for me :P
21:54:01<@AnilSerifoglu> Nope
21:54:04<@MasterFred> Anil is on paperwork duties and schedules next meeting.
21:54:09<@MasterFred> Thank you all for coming.