[01:01:10] <exiledjedi> Welcome to AC Meeting 104.
[01:01:37] <MasterFred> :D
[01:04:58] <Toprawa> Go ahead
[01:05:02] <Toprawa> I don't have any discussion items
[01:05:21] <MasterFred> Me neither.
[01:05:23] <exiledjedi> Cool, neither do I.
[01:05:39] <exiledjedi> Starting off with the articles from last meeting...
[01:05:54] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Flatcake/Legends
[01:06:03] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607788
[01:06:09] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Flatcake/Legends
[01:06:21] <exiledjedi> No substantial changes.
[01:06:30] <MasterFred> kill
[01:06:31] <Toprawa> I don't see anything's been done, really
[01:06:33] <Toprawa> Kill
[01:06:45] <exiledjedi> Kill
[01:06:45] <Toprawa> Detours isn't mentioned at all
[01:06:57] <exiledjedi> Absentees vote kill.
[01:07:07] <exiledjedi> Flatcake/Legends killed.
[01:07:26] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Maladian
[01:07:31] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607790
[01:07:36] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Maladian
[01:07:44] <exiledjedi> No changes.
[01:07:48] <MasterFred> kill
[01:07:59] <Toprawa> Kill
[01:08:01] <exiledjedi> Kill
[01:08:06] <exiledjedi> Absentees vote kill.
[01:08:14] <exiledjedi> Maladian killed.
[01:08:41] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_to_suspected_Confederate_space
[01:08:46] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607793
[01:08:52] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Mission_to_suspected_Confederate_space
[01:09:04] <Toprawa> I think I [Redacted by administration] about this pretty good at the last Inqmoot:
[01:09:09] <Toprawa> Don't try to half-fix articles, people
[01:09:12] <exiledjedi> Some things were changed.
[01:09:15] <Toprawa> All it does it create more work
[01:09:26] <Toprawa> He did like two minor things
[01:09:31] <Toprawa> The third one wasn't good enough
[01:09:35] <Toprawa> Everything else is untouched
[01:09:38] <Toprawa> Kill
[01:09:44] <MasterFred> kill
[01:09:49] <exiledjedi> Kill
[01:10:04] <exiledjedi> Do we just need three votes?
[01:10:22] <Toprawa> Yeah
[01:10:27] <Toprawa> Actually
[01:10:29] <Toprawa> We might need four
[01:10:29] <MasterFred> Yep
[01:10:30] <Toprawa> I forget
[01:10:36] <Toprawa> We go through this like every meeting :P
[01:10:38] <Toprawa> Let me check really quick
[01:10:39] <MasterFred> I thought it was three. D:
[01:10:52] <exiledjedi> During AgriCorps meetings, absentee votes may be overridden by present members of a given meeting when necessary for the purpose of reaching a decision on a given article. This is done in the event that a new development regarding an article arises that otherwise renders absentee votes/comments obsolete. At least three support votes with less than two opposed from present members will be required to override
[01:10:52] <exiledjedi> absentee votes.
[01:11:02] <Toprawa> "With the approval of at least 3 AgriCorps members and less than 2 opposed, an article being considered for removal of GA status can be placed on probation as follows:
[01:11:02] <Toprawa> "
[01:11:05] <Toprawa> 3 it is
[01:11:20] <Toprawa> And this:
[01:11:21] <Toprawa> "After a probation period of at least two weeks, a second AgriCorps vote is required to decide whether or not to remove GA status. This vote requires 3 AgriCorps members to agree on the outcome, with less than 2 disagreeing.
[01:11:21] <Toprawa> "
[01:11:35] <Toprawa> Proceed. :P
[01:11:36] <exiledjedi> Cool, Mission to suspected Confederate space killed then.
[01:11:54] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Siene_Symm
[01:11:57] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607794
[01:12:02] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Siene_Symm
[01:12:07] <exiledjedi> No changes.
[01:12:15] <MasterFred> kill
[01:12:33] <Toprawa> Kill
[01:12:35] <exiledjedi> Kill
[01:12:43] <exiledjedi> Siene Symm killed.
[01:12:58] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Krayiss_Two
[01:13:01] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607797
[01:13:09] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Krayiss_Two
[01:13:19] <exiledjedi> No changes.
[01:13:22] <Toprawa> Kill
[01:13:24] <MasterFred> kill
[01:13:31] <exiledjedi> Kill
[01:13:35] <exiledjedi> Krayiss Two killed.
[01:13:51] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chernan_Ordo
[01:13:55] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607802
[01:14:00] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Chernan_Ordo
[01:14:07] <exiledjedi> No changes.
[01:14:11] <MasterFred> kill
[01:14:37] <Toprawa> Kill
[01:14:43] <exiledjedi> Kill
[01:14:48] <exiledjedi> Chernan Ordo killed.
[01:15:03] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_to_Mos_Eisley_(Galactic_Civil_War)
[01:15:07] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607805
[01:15:13] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Mission_to_Mos_Eisley_(Galactic_Civil_War)
[01:15:21] <exiledjedi> No changes.
[01:15:39] <Toprawa> Kill
[01:15:43] <MasterFred> kill
[01:15:52] <exiledjedi> Kill
[01:16:06] <exiledjedi> Mission to Mos Eisley (Galactic Civil War) killed.
[01:16:17] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Agrippa_Aldrete/Legends
[01:16:22] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607807
[01:16:30] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Agrippa_Aldrete/Legends
[01:16:36] <exiledjedi> Hanzo did stuff.
[01:16:46] <Toprawa> Looks like he got it
[01:16:52] <Toprawa> Keep
[01:16:57] <Toprawa> Wait
[01:16:58] <Toprawa> Damnit
[01:17:09] <Toprawa> The article needs a 1stm somewhere
[01:17:09] <exiledjedi> Imperators stated: Agrippa Aldrete (references should be fully linked and properly formatted, look at ref 23, for example. Also {{CSWECite}} shouldn't be used in the Sources in this article)
[01:17:23] <Toprawa> 1st isn't appropriate since that film was a deleted scene
[01:18:16] <Toprawa> Extend
[01:18:26] <Toprawa> Ref 18 is also crappy
[01:18:30] <Toprawa> More Citeweb fields should be filled in
[01:18:42] <Toprawa> And the old Databank templates are Last name, First name
[01:18:48] <Toprawa> Not First name Last name
[01:19:02] <exiledjedi> Extend
[01:19:03] <Toprawa> You'd think someone would see this in a meeting eventually
[01:19:10] <Toprawa> I only mention it every time
[01:19:41] <exiledjedi> Fred?
[01:19:47] <MasterFred> Interesting how the writer would think that, too.
[01:20:04] <MasterFred> Sorry, was taking a good look at the article. A lot to look over.
[01:20:48] <MasterFred> Why do we even have template documentation? :P
[01:20:55] <Toprawa> What do you mean?
[01:21:20] <Toprawa> Just say Extend, Fred
[01:21:33] <MasterFred> Extend.
[01:21:43] <MasterFred> I meant for the Databank template.
[01:21:56] <exiledjedi> Agrippa Aldrete/Legends extended.
[01:21:59] <Toprawa> I don't know what "template documentation" is, sorry
[01:22:03] <Toprawa> Ask me in another channel
[01:22:10] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bulwark_Mark_I
[01:22:16] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607811
[01:22:22] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Bulwark_Mark_I
[01:22:29] <exiledjedi> No changes.
[01:22:32] <Toprawa> Kill
[01:22:34] <Toprawa> Shame
[01:22:40] <Toprawa> dem Bulwarks are kewl
[01:22:46] <MasterFred> kill
[01:22:47] <exiledjedi> Kill
[01:22:58] <exiledjedi> Bulwark Mark I killed.
[01:23:15] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tzizvvt
[01:23:20] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607813
[01:23:26] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Tzizvvt
[01:23:30] <exiledjedi> Ayrehead did stuff.
[01:23:55] <Toprawa> Honestly, I'd like to see the article clean up its image placement
[01:24:06] <Toprawa> These were obviously formatted for Monobook, and they look goofy and out of place in Oasis
[01:24:18] <Toprawa> Images shouldn't be running into and indenting subsection titles, etc.
[01:24:39] <exiledjedi> There are also some missing backup links that need to be added.
[01:24:45] <Toprawa> The second Bio subsection would do nice to have a paragraph break, maybe even another image could be had there
[01:24:57] <MasterFred> The image placement is even bad in Monobook.
[01:25:52] <MasterFred> Bts not fully sourced.
[01:26:03] <Toprawa> Well, Ayrehead apparently fixed the original probation reason, so we'll need to extend for all of these new things
[01:26:25] <MasterFred> ugh, extend
[01:26:26] <exiledjedi> Extend
[01:26:31] <Toprawa> Extend
[01:26:40] <exiledjedi> Tzizvvt extended.
[01:26:55] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_on_Mahranee
[01:27:00] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607815
[01:27:07] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Attack_on_Mahranee
[01:27:13] <Toprawa> KILL
[01:27:20] <exiledjedi> No changes related to the objection.
[01:27:22] <exiledjedi> Kill
[01:27:28] <MasterFred> kill
[01:27:45] <exiledjedi> Attack on Mahranee killed.
[01:27:51] <exiledjedi> Onto the new articles.
[01:28:10] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gar_Berra
[01:28:17] <exiledjedi> a redlink since it became a GA in 2009 and the article never was overlooked by the GAs with redlinks page. Also behind the scenes sourcing needed. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:44, May 12, 2018 (UTC)
[01:29:09] <exiledjedi> Did somebody change this after he wrote this?
[01:29:30] <MasterFred> I assume so, since both of those items are fixed.
[01:29:39] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gar_Berra&diff=7653321&oldid=7513562
[01:30:07] <MasterFred> yep
[01:30:30] <Toprawa> I feel like the intro is kind of wordy
[01:30:39] <Toprawa> Compared to the size of the article body
[01:30:56] <exiledjedi> It needs a {{1stm}}.
[01:31:11] <Toprawa> I just went ahead and added that
[01:31:19] <Toprawa> The intro just looks a little big in comparison to the Bio
[01:31:51] <Toprawa> Unless we want to compare it in relation to the Bio and P/T
[01:31:56] <Toprawa> Since it has a lot of P/T info
[01:32:13] <exiledjedi> Yeah, I can see that for this article.
[01:32:14] <MasterFred> I think the last sentence of the intro could be taken out.
[01:32:31] <Toprawa> I agree, Fred
[01:32:35] <exiledjedi> Yeah
[01:32:39] <MasterFred> And, at least in Monobook, that makes the intro one line shorter.
[01:32:40] <Toprawa> We could agree to cut that and just move on without probing nit
[01:32:45] <Toprawa> it*
[01:32:48] <MasterFred> Thus making it look a lot smaller.
[01:32:53] <MasterFred> I'm down.
[01:32:56] <exiledjedi> Let's do it.
[01:33:01] <MasterFred> I'll cut it.
[01:33:26] <Toprawa> Actually
[01:33:33] <Toprawa> The article is missing some stuff
[01:33:48] <Toprawa> P/T could mention skin color, lack of hair
[01:33:54] <Toprawa> Infobox too
[01:34:06] <Toprawa> An Equipment section could mention at least his uniform
[01:34:28] <MasterFred> Ah yes, "& traits"
[01:34:49] <Toprawa> I should say, the Equipment section does it exist, and it could mention his uniform
[01:35:05] <Toprawa> I think the BTS should mention that Sterling Hershey wrote the text
[01:35:39] <Toprawa> I'm comfortable probing it for all those reasons
[01:35:45] <MasterFred> Same.
[01:36:00] <exiledjedi> Sounds good.
[01:36:07] <MasterFred> Probe, then.
[01:36:10] <exiledjedi> Probe
[01:36:38] <exiledjedi> Gar Berra probed.
[01:37:00] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eelo_Begraas
[01:37:08] <exiledjedi> "Troop Movements" doesn't mention any kind of BBY date. The 31 BBY date will need a date reference. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:25, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
[01:37:26] <exiledjedi> BTS also needs to be sourced.
[01:37:52] <Toprawa> Jinzler, who wrote all of these Living Force articles, has figured out that the stories' events are set like 10 years before the Clone Wars or something
[01:37:56] <Toprawa> But that needs to be explained
[01:38:05] <Toprawa> Probe
[01:38:19] <exiledjedi> Probe
[01:38:30] <MasterFred> Probe
[01:38:50] <exiledjedi> Eelo Begraas probed.
[01:38:56] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Knire_Dark
[01:39:03] <exiledjedi> The 22 BBY date in the Biography cannot be sourced to HNN without a proper date ref. Basically, this article needs to link whatever HNN article that is with the proper citation template. That HNN article will then have a GrS date; this date ref will then need to explain how that GrS date corresponds to 22 BBY. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:30, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
[01:39:23] <Toprawa> In other words, the HNN articles never mention BBY dates, only GrS
[01:39:40] <Toprawa> The conversion between the two needs to be explained in the date ref
[01:39:51] <Toprawa> Probe
[01:40:05] <MasterFred> Probe
[01:40:05] <exiledjedi> Probe
[01:40:11] <exiledjedi> Knire Dark probed.
[01:40:24] <exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grunta
[01:40:31] <MasterFred> Bts needs to be sourced.
[01:40:31] <exiledjedi> Rebel Force: Target doesn't mention the 0 ABY date. That will need to be sourced to Essential Reader's Companion with an appropriate date ref. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:35, May 16, 2018 (UTC)
[01:40:44] <Toprawa> Additionally, BTS is unsourced, and the Bio should be three paragraphs, not two
[01:40:48] <Toprawa> Probe
[01:40:55] <exiledjedi> Probe
[01:41:42] <MasterFred> I'd also say that "barely a meter" and "less than a meter" are not the same.
[01:41:44] <MasterFred> Probe
[01:41:56] <Toprawa> I agree, Fred
[01:42:04] <exiledjedi> Grunta probed.
[01:42:29] <exiledjedi> Anyone have any other articles before I check the maintenance bin?
[01:42:34] <Toprawa> Yes, several
[01:42:54] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/OS-72-10
[01:43:18] <Toprawa> I contend that that the Obsidian 10 card in the Sources list should not be listed there
[01:43:22] <Toprawa> https://www.starwarsccg.org/cardlists/images/starwars/DeathStarII-Dark/large/obsidian10.gif
[01:43:27] <Toprawa> It doesn't mention or show this pilot
[01:43:33] <Toprawa> Obsidian 10 is the TIE fighter, not the pilot
[01:43:39] <Toprawa> If we can agree to remove that, we can avoid probation
[01:43:51] <exiledjedi> I agree with that.
[01:43:59] <MasterFred> I have no way of knowing, so I'll just take your word for it.
[01:44:07] <MasterFred> Let's avoid probing. :P
[01:44:11] <Toprawa> I just linked the card image so you can judge for yourself :P
[01:44:25] <MasterFred> Huh, didn't even notice. XD
[01:44:37] <Toprawa> ...
[01:44:39] <Toprawa> I removed it anyways
[01:44:41] <Toprawa> Moving on
[01:44:48] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jor_Drakas
[01:45:10] <Toprawa> This was a recent addition to this article's BTS: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jor_Drakas?diff=7641652&oldid=7561611
[01:45:40] <Toprawa> Maybe Fred can help us here, but I don't believe Bib Fortuna appears in Clone Campaigns, or indeed GB at all
[01:45:48] <Toprawa> Those are not listed in his article
[01:45:58] <Toprawa> Which would make this BTS referencing bogus
[01:46:08] <MasterFred> He does, actually.
[01:46:19] <Toprawa> He's in Clone Campaigns?
[01:46:51] <MasterFred> He's in Clone Campaigns by virtue of being in GB because the second is a disc that contains all of the original game as well.
[01:47:02] <Toprawa> Very well
[01:47:11] <MasterFred> rather the first contains both, not the second.
[01:47:15] <Toprawa> In that case, I will also nitpick the 22 BBY referencing
[01:47:43] <Toprawa> Since Jor Drakas is not mentioned in NEC, just double-referencing his death date doesn't work
[01:47:50] <MasterFred> Yeah, that needs to be explained.
[01:48:20] <Toprawa> Are there really no other images that can be had of Jor Drakas if he's in this video game?
[01:48:40] <Toprawa> It seems pretty lazy to include an image of Sev'rance Tann
[01:48:43] <Toprawa> And not Draka
[01:48:44] <Toprawa> s
[01:48:59] <Toprawa> Apparently he has a yellow lightsaber, so we're seeing him in someplace in the game
[01:49:04] <MasterFred> There absolutely are.
[01:49:06] <exiledjedi> I would imagine that getting a picture of the in-game model would be possible.
[01:49:18] <Toprawa> I'd like to see at least one if not more images of him specifically
[01:49:23] <MasterFred> Having a screenshot of him dueling Tann would be easy.
[01:49:42] <Toprawa> I could see the Bio split into two subsection of four paragraphs with two images
[01:49:49] <Toprawa> God, I can't type today
[01:49:51] <Toprawa> subsections*
[01:50:20] <Toprawa> Are there more quotes, Fred?
[01:50:42] <MasterFred> I honestly can't imagine there wouldn't be.
[01:50:56] <MasterFred> At least about him or to him.
[01:51:01] <MasterFred> But probably from him as well
[01:51:02] <exiledjedi> "Jor Drakas' only appearance in Star Wars canon"
[01:51:08] <exiledjedi> This should be reworded.
[01:51:19] <MasterFred> haha whomp
[01:51:26] <Toprawa> The quotes should at least be looked into, then
[01:51:38] <Toprawa> If he's dueling Tann, I can imagine there's some kind of additional quotes
[01:51:47] <Toprawa> Probe for all that
[01:51:53] <MasterFred> Tann is talkative in the game.
[01:52:02] <exiledjedi> Probe
[01:52:08] <MasterFred> Def probe
[01:52:18] <exiledjedi> Jor Drakas probed.
[01:52:49] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gorton_Colu
[01:52:52] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gorton_Colu?diff=7629387&oldid=6437396
[01:53:07] <Toprawa> EJ and I agreed this should probably be looked into and verified by someone
[01:53:19] <exiledjedi> Yeah.
[01:53:23] <Toprawa> And I'd like to see the infobox image cropped a little above the head
[01:53:30] <Toprawa> There's too much dead space up there
[01:53:56] <Toprawa> Probe
[01:54:04] <exiledjedi> Probe
[01:54:09] <MasterFred> Probe
[01:54:18] <MasterFred> I like more squared infobox images anyway.
[01:54:31] <exiledjedi> Gorton Colu probed.
[01:55:07] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Symponik_Nabooalla
[01:55:15] <Toprawa> This needs an update from R2-D2: Beneath the Dome, Fred
[01:55:48] <MasterFred> Ah yes, totally forgot about this.
[01:56:42] <Toprawa> Probe
[01:56:45] <exiledjedi> Probe
[01:56:49] <MasterFred> Yeah, probe.
[01:57:05] <Toprawa> It's easy enough
[01:57:10] <Toprawa> Shouldn't take you long
[01:57:11] <exiledjedi> Symponik Nabooalla probed.
[01:57:17] <MasterFred> yeah, I should be able to fix it Monday.
[01:57:20] <Toprawa> That's all I've got
[01:57:40] <exiledjedi> The bin looks empty aside from stuff we already did.
[01:57:47] <MasterFred> yep
[01:57:52] <MasterFred> I'm good.
[01:58:00] <exiledjedi> Yeah, I don't have anything.
[01:58:06] <Toprawa> Perfect. One-hour meeting.
[01:58:21] <exiledjedi> Now for meeting duties...
[01:58:44] <exiledjedi> Exiledjedi is on paperwork.
[01:59:00] <exiledjedi> Fred schedules meeting 105.
[01:59:05] <Toprawa> *sad trombone*
[01:59:23] <exiledjedi> Thanks for coming to the (late) meeting.
[01:59:27] <MasterFred> haha dang :P
[01:59:28] <Toprawa> Thanks, EJ
[01:59:34] <MasterFred> Thanks for hosting.
[01:59:37] <exiledjedi> np