[20:05:43] <Toprawa> Ok, here we go [20:05:48] <Toprawa> Welcome to AC Meeting 106 [20:05:56] <Toprawa> Does anyone have any off-the-cuff responses or topics? [20:06:12] <exiledjedi> Not I [20:06:17] <MasterFred> I'm good. [20:06:39] <Toprawa> Ok, we will begin with one lone article from last meeting [20:06:48] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jor_Drakas [20:06:51] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Jor_Drakas [20:07:03] <Toprawa> Imperators, give us the rundown [20:07:53] <Imperators> you can't see it on the review page, but I believe QuiGon swooped in at the last minute and fixed the remaining issues [20:08:40] <Imperators> so I'd be OK with keeping it [20:08:47] <MasterFred> Oh wow. [20:09:00] <MasterFred> Indeed he did. [20:09:07] <Toprawa> Very well [20:09:11] <Toprawa> Keep [20:09:19] <exiledjedi> Keep [20:09:23] <Imperators> keep [20:09:27] <MasterFred> keep [20:09:30] <Toprawa> Jor Drakas kept [20:09:33] <Toprawa> Moving on to the fun stuff [20:09:39] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Support_Vessel [20:09:43] <Toprawa> Imperial Support Vessel — Has undergone a sizable expansion from the Thrawn comic (about 3000 bytes). I propose a Redux. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:06, August 11, 2018 (UTC) [20:09:57] <Toprawa> Please say Yes or No for Redux [20:10:04] <Imperators> exile it to the Redux Zone [20:10:06] <Imperators> Yes [20:10:14] <MasterFred> Yes [20:10:14] <Toprawa> Yes [20:10:19] <exiledjedi> Tes [20:10:26] <Toprawa> Imperial Support Vessel sent to Redux [20:10:33] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_duck_individual [20:10:48] <Toprawa> Please refer to meeting page for issues [20:10:56] <Toprawa> Imperators, I checked the story to see if he could be TC'd [20:11:10] <Toprawa> Sadly his quote is an actual warning, not just duck noises :P [20:11:31] <Imperators> *space duck noises [20:11:32] <MasterFred> sad day [20:11:58] <Toprawa> Oh, I'll just post them [20:12:04] <Toprawa> This edit has introduced both a redlink and a date discrepancy between intro and body. Imperators II(Talk) 23:15, August 11, 2018 (UTC) [20:12:04] <Toprawa> The ABY date needs proper referencing, anyway. Imperators II(Talk) 23:15, August 11, 2018 (UTC) [20:12:04] <Toprawa> I don't see any reason for the use of the phrase "space duck" to refer to this individual. Imperators II(Talk) 23:15, August 11, 2018 (UTC) [20:12:04] <Toprawa> Especially given that ducks are a thing in SW, I believe this article should be named "Unidentified duck-like individual." Imperators II(Talk) 23:15, August 11, 2018 (UTC) [20:12:09] <Toprawa> Probe [20:12:14] <MasterFred> probe [20:12:14] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:12:19] <Imperators> Probe [20:12:22] <Toprawa> Space Duck probed [20:12:28] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wish_You_Among_the_Stars [20:12:33] <Toprawa> I find it ridiculous that more than half of the intro is dedicated to trying to explain the dating system, some of which is actually worded speculatively here. [20:12:34] <Toprawa> If the article mentions five years before Yavin, then 5 BBY should be implemented into the article, preferably not just through pipelinking [20:12:34] <Toprawa> "which some considered 'treacly.'" Who are these "some"? I'm pretty sure it's just the one character. This is bad extrapolation. [20:12:34] <Toprawa> None of this is especially relevant or necessary. Just say the band originated in one source from Star Wars Legends, even though I suspect this might bring the article below the 250-word threshold for GAs: "Plexo-33, known as a band in Star Wars Legends but not described as such in Servants of the Empire: Rebel in the Ranks, appeared in sources such as "Top-Selling Sound Slugs" from HoloNet News Vol. 531 53 and Star Wars [20:12:38] <Toprawa> Galaxies: An Empire Divided in the Star Wars Expanded Universe. These are both now considered part of Star Wars Legends, making both sources no longer official canon. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:06, August 12, 2018 (UTC) [20:13:23] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:13:28] <MasterFred> probe [20:13:33] <Imperators> that's Tofty's, isn't it? [20:13:35] <Imperators> probe [20:13:37] <Toprawa> Yes [20:13:38] <Toprawa> Probe [20:13:43] <Toprawa> Wish You Among the Stars probed [20:14:05] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/126 [20:14:09] <Toprawa> 126 — Sub-par infobox image should be reuploaded as a higher-quality digital version at sufficient width to fit the infobox. Maybe even a body image could be found? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:10, August 14, 2018 (UTC) [20:14:33] <Toprawa> I told him on his talk page that he shouldn't be artificially enlarging the image to make it bigger [20:14:46] <Toprawa> He fixed the issue and that, but I still think it's enlarged beyond its native resolution [20:14:56] <Imperators> ahem, referencing should be...modernized [20:15:00] <Toprawa> But since he made the effort and it's an easy enough fix, I'll let it go [20:15:09] <Toprawa> Modernized? [20:15:30] <Imperators> manufacturer sourced to medium not listed in Sources etc. [20:15:38] <Toprawa> Right [20:15:40] <Toprawa> He needs a ref note for that [20:16:11] <Toprawa> Ok, probe for that, and we can add the image in there too [20:16:24] <Toprawa> I might just crop that image myself [20:16:27] <Imperators> probe [20:16:30] <MasterFred> Fair enough. Probe. [20:16:41] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:16:53] <Toprawa> 126 probed [20:16:57] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Whrr [20:17:00] <Toprawa> Whrr — BTS needs to be sourced. That publication date is not self-sourcing. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:12, August 14, 2018 (UTC) [20:17:43] <MasterFred> Pretty straightforward. [20:17:50] <Imperators> same issue, actually [20:18:21] <Imperators> do we do the credit symbol in prose? [20:18:33] <exiledjedi> Can that 22 BBY date be sourced to the novel? [20:18:36] <MasterFred> Can the date be sourced to the Boba Fett book? [20:18:40] <MasterFred> ^ [20:18:46] <Toprawa> I would write out the symbol [20:18:51] <Toprawa> And almost certainly not on the date [20:18:56] <Toprawa> That needs Reader's Companion [20:19:22] <Toprawa> Probe on teh tings [20:19:25] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:19:41] <Imperators> probe [20:19:55] <MasterFred> probe [20:20:00] <Toprawa> Whrr probed [20:20:07] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Barkhesh [20:20:19] <Toprawa> Reference 2 is completely unlinked and unsourced. [20:20:20] <Toprawa> I could not find the reasoning for reference 2, or that the Battle of Lubang Minor is the next battle. The article's original next battle at the time of nomination was the Search for the Nonnah. I assume the change was part of the larger effort to organise the battles of the Galactic Civil War, but I cannot substantiate the logic behind it, so I have reverted it to the Search for the Nonnah, which is the next battle in [20:20:20] <Toprawa> the game. [20:20:20] <Toprawa> The sourcing for the ABY date probably needs to be checked, as well. Imperators II(Talk) 09:18, August 16, 2018 (UTC) [20:20:22] <Toprawa> Added extra sourcing for the ABY date. Also moved page to "Rendezvous on Barkhesh" which is the level name, rather than keep it at a conjectural name. - Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 14:58, August 18, 2018 (UTC) [20:20:26] <Toprawa> I'm glad to see he moved this [20:20:28] <Toprawa> I've been meaning to get after that for a while [20:20:34] <Toprawa> Most of the game's levels give us battle names [20:20:37] <Toprawa> So there's no reason not to use them [20:21:03] <Imperators> images should go after quotes, but that's a minor one [20:2?:??] <Toprawa> I'm ok with keeping [20:2?:??] <Imperators> last sentence of BTS needs to go, though [20:2?:??] <Toprawa> Feel free to cut it [20:2?:??] <MasterFred> Yeah, cut it and keep [20:2?:??] <Imperators> in ref 2 "As the Rendezvous on Barkhesh occurs before the Defection at Corellia" should probably be sourced, as well [20:22:17] <MasterFred> wb [20:22:33] <Imperators> is ref 4 necessary? [20:22:40] <exiledjedi> Hope someone else can get the log. [20:22:58] <exiledjedi> I think I missed a good chunk of Battle of Barkhesh. [20:22:58] <Toprawa> Ref 4 can just be sourced to the game [20:23:13] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Barkhesh [20:23:13] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> Reference 2 is completely unlinked and unsourced. [20:23:13] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> I could not find the reasoning for reference 2, or that the Battle of Lubang Minor is the next battle. The article's original next battle at the time of nomination was the Search for the Nonnah. I assume the change was part of the larger effort to organise the battles of the Galactic Civil War, but I cannot substantiate the logic behind it, so I have reverted it to the Search for the Nonnah, which is the next [20:23:13] <Toprawa> battle in [20:23:16] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> the game. [20:23:18] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> The sourcing for the ABY date probably needs to be checked, as well. Imperators II(Talk) 09:18, August 16, 2018 (UTC) [20:23:21] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> Added extra sourcing for the ABY date. Also moved page to "Rendezvous on Barkhesh" which is the level name, rather than keep it at a conjectural name. - Sir Cavalier of OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 14:58, August 18, 2018 (UTC) [20:23:25] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> I'm glad to see he moved this [20:23:27] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> I've been meaning to get after that for a while [20:23:29] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> Most of the game's levels give us battle names [20:23:31] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> So there's no reason not to use them [20:23:33] <Toprawa> <Imperators> images should go after quotes, but that's a minor one [20:23:35] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> I'm ok with keeping [20:23:37] <Toprawa> <Imperators> last sentence of BTS needs to go, though [20:23:39] <Toprawa> <Toprawa> Feel free to cut it [20:23:41] <Toprawa> <MasterFred> Yeah, cut it and keep [20:23:43] <Toprawa> <Imperators> in ref 2 "As the Rendezvous on Barkhesh occurs before the Defection at Corellia" should probably be sourced, as well [20:23:48] <Toprawa> * EJ (~exiledjed@wookieepedia/administrator/Exiledjedi) has joined [20:23:50] <Toprawa> Imperators, I'd rather you just fixed all these things than us probing it [20:23:52] <Toprawa> They're all pretty simple [20:23:56] <exiledjedi> Cool, thanks. [20:24:14] <Toprawa> Just add: "As the Rendezvous on Barkhesh occurs before the Defection at Corellia [in the game], the mission must take place in 0.5 ABY." [20:24:42] <Imperators> in light of the Game mechanics template? [20:24:42] <Imperators> oh, the date is actually infobox-exclusive [20:24:43] <Imperators> and it's more specific than just "after the Battle of Yavin" [20:25:16] <MasterFred> Yeah, I don't think ref 4 is needed at all with the template saying the exact same thing. [20:25:24] <Toprawa> Sigh [20:25:27] <Toprawa> Probe [20:25:41] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:25:45] <MasterFred> Probe [20:25:47] <Imperators> probe [20:25:58] <Toprawa> Barkhesh probed [20:26:37] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tirs_Maladane [20:26:39] <Toprawa> Redlink [20:27:01] <Imperators> alphabetize the categories [20:27:18] <Toprawa> That ABY date probably needs ERC [20:28:54] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:29:01] <MasterFred> Probe [20:29:04] <Imperators> also image(s) please [20:29:17] <Imperators> we even have an image of the Battle of Kashyyyk [20:29:18] <Imperators> probe [20:29:40] <Toprawa> Probe [20:29:46] <Toprawa> Tirs Maladane probed [20:29:55] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zal [20:30:02] <Toprawa> Zal [20:30:03] <Toprawa> Intro is waaay too long. [20:30:03] <Toprawa> Biography could use subsectioning [20:30:03] <Toprawa> More quotes in Bio subsections if available [20:30:03] <Toprawa> BTS unsourced Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:28, August 16, 2018 (UTC) [20:30:42] <Imperators> Infobox bullet list formatting [20:31:13] <exiledjedi> I'm assuming that the dates should be sourced to the ERC. [20:31:26] <Toprawa> Most likely [20:31:45] <Imperators> probe [20:31:52] <Toprawa> Probe [20:31:59] <MasterFred> Probe [20:32:19] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:32:22] <Toprawa> Zal probed [20:32:25] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yeep [20:32:29] <Toprawa> The HNN articles cannot be used as a straight source for the 22 BBY date, since those news articles use GrS dates, which need to be converted in a ref note. [20:32:30] <Toprawa> "Before or during"/"Prior to or during" is speculative language. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:34, August 16, 2018 (UTC) [20:33:10] <exiledjedi> Redirect [20:33:49] <Imperators> probe [20:33:51] <Toprawa> Probe [20:33:54] <MasterFred> Probe [20:34:00] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:34:10] <Toprawa> Yeep probed [20:34:14] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Emperor%27s_ritual [20:34:19] <Toprawa> BTS unsourced. [20:34:20] <Toprawa> The larger issue with this article is that it's 1446 words long. For the record, we are required by policy to grandfather in 1000+-word GAs that passed prior to February 19, 2013. But this article gained GA status in August 2013 and was already at 1049 words when it passed, to the blame of the ACs who reviewed it at the time. We are under no obligation to excuse the word count, considering it should never have become a [20:34:20] <Toprawa> GA in the first place. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:45, August 16, 2018 (UTC) [20:34:58] <Toprawa> This is essentially an irreconcilable issue [20:35:09] <Toprawa> And no one's going to fix Cade's crap for him anyways [20:35:10] <Toprawa> So probe [20:35:30] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:35:38] <Imperators> probe [20:35:45] <MasterFred> Should we even probe? It cannot be a GA. Can we just kill it here and now? [20:35:53] <Toprawa> Procedurally, we have to probe [20:36:05] <Toprawa> In theory, someone could revise the article to bring it under 1000 words [20:36:06] <MasterFred> We should fix that. :P [20:36:07] <MasterFred> Probe [20:36:19] <Toprawa> Sith Emperor's ritual probed [20:36:25] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zellos [20:36:30] <Toprawa> Missing infobox info -- it's pretty clear from the images in the article that his hair is brown and his eyes are blue. This belongs in P/T as well. [20:36:30] <Toprawa> Infobox-exclusive info: Skin color; belongs in P/T as well. [20:36:30] <Toprawa> I would like to see the third Bio paragraph broken up into two smaller ones, for four total Biography paragraphs. This will allow for subsectioning as well as the addition of another image and quote, if available. [20:36:30] <Toprawa> An Equipment section looks tenable. [20:36:31] <Toprawa> The BTS should mention the date for the character's introduction in the fifth Timeline entry. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 14:20, August 17, 2018 (UTC) [20:37:43] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:37:51] <Imperators> probe [20:37:56] <MasterFred> Probe [20:37:57] <Toprawa> Probe [20:37:59] <Toprawa> Zellos probed [20:38:04] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mikkian [20:38:08] <Toprawa> Mikkian — Update required, which was apparently only partially completed. I would like to carry out this probation procedure through the Redux page, since it's already undergone a sizable expansion and still has more to go. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:37, August 18, 2018 (UTC) [20:38:23] <Toprawa> The first objection on the Redux can just be finish the update [20:38:29] <Toprawa> Then if that happens, we can continue the Redux review [20:38:31] <Imperators> missing backup link(s) [20:38:48] <Toprawa> At this point, let's not waste time brining up additional issues [20:38:57] <Toprawa> Let someone finish the update first [20:39:00] <Toprawa> Redux [20:39:04] <MasterFred> Redux [20:39:04] <exiledjedi> Redux [20:39:09] <Imperators> Yes :P [20:39:12] <Imperators> REDUX [20:39:17] <Toprawa> Mikkian sent to Redux [20:39:18] <Toprawa> TO THE BIN [20:39:39] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Catronus_Steffans [20:39:40] <Toprawa> Update needed [20:39:48] <Toprawa> Oh, that Bio subsectioning [20:39:54] <Toprawa> BTS unsourced [20:40:23] <Imperators> image(s) [20:40:26] <MasterFred> Such an intimidating block of text [20:40:36] <Toprawa> Paragraph break in the intro [20:40:56] <Toprawa> Probe [20:41:01] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:41:06] <Imperators> probe [20:41:10] <MasterFred> Probe [20:41:16] <Toprawa> Catronus Steffans probed [20:41:17] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Noma_Sommos [20:41:20] <Toprawa> Update needed [20:41:59] <Toprawa> Probe [20:42:02] <exiledjedi> Probe [20:42:11] <MasterFred> Probe [20:42:21] <Imperators> probe [20:42:25] <MasterFred> Are we sure the CSWE is over a month old? :P [20:42:31] <Toprawa> Let me check :P [20:42:38] <Toprawa> Noma Sommos probed [20:42:41] <Toprawa> Anything from anyone else? [20:42:43] <MasterFred> XD [20:42:54] <Imperators> uh [20:43:06] <MasterFred> I just now realized ecks gave me his vote. haha [20:43:16] <Toprawa> We only need 3 to probe anyways [20:43:17] <Imperators> I reverted this, but does someone need to do something about this? https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Battle_of_Bakura_%28Clone_Wars%29&diff=7793553&oldid=7114726 [20:43:30] <Imperators> oh shit, sorry, that's a CA [20:43:34] <Imperators> NEVERMIND [20:43:38] <Toprawa> I would say no, though [20:43:46] <Toprawa> Mention it on the planet article [20:44:30] <Toprawa> Ok, I've taken the liberty of creating the new duty lists [20:44:37] <Toprawa> Scheduling: [20:44:43] <Toprawa> 1. Imperators II* [20:44:43] <Toprawa> 2. Ayrehead02 [20:44:43] <Toprawa> 3. Master Fredcerique [20:44:43] <Toprawa> 4. Toprawa and Ralltiir* [20:44:43] <Toprawa> 5. Xd1358* [20:44:43] <Toprawa> 6. Exiledjedi* [20:44:47] <Toprawa> Paperwork: [20:44:51] <Toprawa> 1. Ayrehead02 [20:44:53] <Toprawa> 2. Master Fredcerique [20:44:55] <Toprawa> 3. Xd1358* [20:44:57] <Toprawa> 4. Toprawa and Ralltiir* [20:44:59] <Toprawa> 5. Exiledjedi* [20:45:01] <Toprawa> 6. Imperators II* [20:45:03] <Toprawa> A note on scheduling: [20:45:15] <Toprawa> We should be doing 12 meetings a year, for one meeting per month [20:45:21] <Toprawa> We're one meeting behind currently, since we skipped June [20:45:31] <Toprawa> There are 5 Saturdays in September, so we should do two meetings next month to catch up [20:45:40] <Toprawa> Imperators, I would strongly suggest scheduling for September 1 [20:45:46] <Toprawa> Then the next meeting after that can be at the end of the month [20:46:08] <Imperators> understood [20:46:11] <Toprawa> Cool [20:46:14] <Toprawa> Anything else? [20:46:25] <Imperators> I already have a theme in mind :P [20:46:28] <MasterFred> I think I’m good. [20:46:33] <Toprawa> Excellent [20:46:37] <Toprawa> Ok, that's it [20:46:40] <Toprawa> Thanks for coming, everyone [20:46:46] <exiledjedi> Thanks for hosting. [20:46:47] <MasterFred> Thanks for hosting. [20:46:48] <Imperators> Thank you for hosting, Tope [20:46:50] <Toprawa> No problem [20:46:56] <Imperators> Thanks to Tommy for sitting in.