Dec 30 23:00:43 <Toprawa> Ok, welcome to AC meeting 99. Dec 30 23:00:47 <Toprawa> The final one for 2017. Dec 30 23:00:50 <Toprawa> Let's get to it, shall we Dec 30 23:00:55 <Imperators_II> KILL Dec 30 23:01:09 <Toprawa> THE LAST MEETING, as it were Dec 30 23:01:15 <Imperators_II> crowds of ACs with torches and pitchforks Dec 30 23:01:22 <Toprawa> We'll start with those...NOT...on the guest list Dec 30 23:01:28 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cacop Dec 30 23:01:34 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Cacop Dec 30 23:01:42 <Toprawa> No change Dec 30 23:01:46 <MasterFred> kill Dec 30 23:01:48 <Toprawa> Kill Dec 30 23:01:48 * exiledjedi (~exiledjed@wookieepedia/administrator/Exiledjedi) has joined Dec 30 23:01:48 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to exiledjedi Dec 30 23:01:53 <Imperators_II> kill Dec 30 23:01:57 <Imperators_II> kill Cacops, not EJ Dec 30 23:02:07 <exiledjedi> Kill Cacop Dec 30 23:02:24 <MasterFred> Welcome, EJ Dec 30 23:02:25 <Toprawa> heh, hey EJ Dec 30 23:02:32 <exiledjedi> Hello Dec 30 23:02:32 <Toprawa> Cacop killed Dec 30 23:02:40 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_501st_Legion_clone_trooper Dec 30 23:02:46 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Unidentified_501st_Legion_clone_trooper Dec 30 23:02:54 <Toprawa> No change Dec 30 23:02:58 <exiledjedi> Kill Dec 30 23:03:03 <Toprawa> Kill Dec 30 23:03:09 <MasterFred> Kill Dec 30 23:03:09 <Imperators_II> Kill Dec 30 23:03:13 <Toprawa> Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper killed Dec 30 23:03:20 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hostis_Ij Dec 30 23:03:23 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Hostis_Ij Dec 30 23:03:47 <Toprawa> There's still an update tag there Dec 30 23:03:58 <Toprawa> But there is info from the source in question in the article Dec 30 23:04:23 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hostis_Ij?diff=7319334&oldid=7288736 and... Dec 30 23:04:31 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hostis_Ij?diff=next&oldid=7319334 Dec 30 23:04:34 <Toprawa> This were the two edits since the GAR Dec 30 23:04:45 <Imperators_II> the dates are yet to be referenced tho Dec 30 23:04:58 <MasterFred> Interesting. Dec 30 23:05:05 <Imperators_II> kiiiiill Dec 30 23:05:22 <Toprawa> 5 ABY isn't even in the article body Dec 30 23:05:23 <Toprawa> So, yeah Dec 30 23:05:24 <Toprawa> Kill Dec 30 23:05:29 <MasterFred> Kill then Dec 30 23:05:38 <exiledjedi> Kill Dec 30 23:05:47 <Toprawa> Pro tip: Don't write an article that's still undergoing character development Dec 30 23:05:53 <Toprawa> Hostis Ij killed Dec 30 23:06:01 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seyyerin_Itoklo Dec 30 23:06:06 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Seyyerin_Itoklo Dec 30 23:06:16 <Toprawa> No change Dec 30 23:06:20 <exiledjedi> Kill Dec 30 23:06:24 <Toprawa> Kill Dec 30 23:06:24 <MasterFred> kill Dec 30 23:06:27 <Toprawa> EJ, Scourge of the CSWE Dec 30 23:06:35 <Imperators_II> Kill Dec 30 23:06:39 <Toprawa> Seyyerin Itoklo killed Dec 30 23:06:46 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Halkans Dec 30 23:06:52 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Halkans Dec 30 23:07:08 <Toprawa> There's some CSWE content referenced in the article Dec 30 23:07:10 <Toprawa> Is this not it, EJ? Dec 30 23:07:26 <Toprawa> No edits since GAR Dec 30 23:07:28 <Toprawa> So I'm assuming not Dec 30 23:07:30 <Toprawa> Kill Dec 30 23:07:38 <Imperators_II> kill Dec 30 23:08:01 <exiledjedi> There was something else. Dec 30 23:08:03 <exiledjedi> Kill Dec 30 23:08:04 <MasterFred> Kill..... Dec 30 23:08:09 <Toprawa> Halkans killed Dec 30 23:08:19 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Handa Dec 30 23:08:22 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Handa Dec 30 23:08:39 <Toprawa> No edits since GAR Dec 30 23:08:42 <Toprawa> Kill Dec 30 23:08:45 <Imperators_II> Kill Dec 30 23:08:46 <exiledjedi> Kill Dec 30 23:08:54 <MasterFred> Kill Dec 30 23:08:55 <Toprawa> Handa killed Dec 30 23:09:03 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aron_Harcourt Dec 30 23:09:09 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Aron_Harcourt Dec 30 23:09:15 <Toprawa> Hanzo says he updated it Dec 30 23:09:28 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aron_Harcourt?diff=7324204&oldid=7288740 Dec 30 23:09:58 <MasterFred> Wait, no refs in Bts? Dec 30 23:10:06 <Toprawa> We need to discuss this, actually Dec 30 23:10:22 <Toprawa> BTS referencing is probably not something we should be probing and killing for Dec 30 23:10:35 <Imperators_II> it shouldn't be, yeah Dec 30 23:10:52 <Toprawa> Although our Sourcing policy says that the entire article must be referenced, the original CT that made that policy specifically said that BTS is more of a contentious issue and should be decided on its own Dec 30 23:11:00 <exiledjedi> I think his update covers everything. Dec 30 23:11:20 <Toprawa> Keep Dec 30 23:11:28 <exiledjedi> Keep Dec 30 23:11:36 <MasterFred> Fair enough Dec 30 23:11:37 <Imperators_II> can this be sourced to the comic? "Prior to 3 BBY, Janelle died" Dec 30 23:11:38 <MasterFred> keep Dec 30 23:12:06 <Toprawa> Not independently, no Dec 30 23:12:29 <Toprawa> If we're going to send it back, then I have other, minor aesthetic issues Dec 30 23:12:29 <Imperators_II> and I'm almost certain this can't: "began a naval career during the Great Peace of the Republic." Dec 30 23:12:47 <Imperators_II> why is all of this sourced to ANH? "several months after the Empire's loss at the Battle of Yavin" Dec 30 23:12:52 <Toprawa> The Bio should be subsectioned with more images and quotes Dec 30 23:13:05 <Toprawa> More images throughout as available Dec 30 23:13:12 <MasterFred> Yeah, that definitely can't be source to ANH. Dec 30 23:13:23 <Imperators_II> the specific ship models probably also can't be sourced to the comic Dec 30 23:13:33 <MasterFred> doubtful Dec 30 23:13:38 <Toprawa> That ANH bit is actually double-reffed Dec 30 23:14:00 <Imperators_II> yeah, but it should be accurately double-reffed, no? Dec 30 23:14:04 <Toprawa> I know the Adjudicator can't Dec 30 23:14:15 <Toprawa> It might be, for all I know Dec 30 23:14:26 <Toprawa> The Omnibuses usually gave some kind of date Dec 30 23:14:29 <Toprawa> Hanzo apparently checked it Dec 30 23:14:32 <Toprawa> I don't know any more than that Dec 30 23:15:04 <MasterFred> Hmmmmm Dec 30 23:15:11 <MasterFred> to trust Hanzo or not to trust Hanzo... Dec 30 23:15:33 <Imperators_II> I say we extend this Dec 30 23:15:34 <Toprawa> Well, we can't prove him wrong, so I don't think we can probe for something we don't know Dec 30 23:15:40 <Toprawa> But yeah, we can extend for everything else Dec 30 23:15:41 <MasterFred> Yep Dec 30 23:15:47 <exiledjedi> Okay, extend. Dec 30 23:15:53 <MasterFred> That seems fair enough. Extend. Dec 30 23:15:56 <Toprawa> Aron Harcourt extended Dec 30 23:16:03 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vengnar_Heiff Dec 30 23:16:06 <Imperators_II> sorry for turning your votes around, guys :P Dec 30 23:16:12 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Vengnar_Heiff Dec 30 23:16:23 <Toprawa> I'd rather see that whole article done from scratch Dec 30 23:16:27 <Toprawa> It's a 2009 mess Dec 30 23:16:34 <Toprawa> Harcourt, I mean Dec 30 23:16:50 <Toprawa> No edits since GAR Dec 30 23:16:51 <Toprawa> Kill Dec 30 23:17:00 <Imperators_II> I think the rest of the old stuff is no-change Dec 30 23:17:07 <Imperators_II> kill Vengnar Dec 30 23:17:15 <exiledjedi> Kill Dec 30 23:17:31 <Toprawa> Vengnar Heiff killed Dec 30 23:17:38 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Greeta_Holda Dec 30 23:17:45 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Greeta_Holda Dec 30 23:17:45 <MasterFred> kill Dec 30 23:17:47 <MasterFred> sorry Dec 30 23:17:52 <Toprawa> No change Dec 30 23:17:53 <Toprawa> Kill Dec 30 23:17:56 <exiledjedi> Kill Dec 30 23:18:01 <Imperators_II> no, you're not. Kill :P Dec 30 23:18:08 <Toprawa> Greeta Holda killed Dec 30 23:18:09 <MasterFred> kill Dec 30 23:18:14 <Toprawa> We only need 3 votes to kill anyways Dec 30 23:18:18 <Toprawa> So if you're not here, tough :P Dec 30 23:18:23 <Imperators_II> Fred the double-killer Dec 30 23:18:28 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hocekureem_Sea Dec 30 23:18:29 <MasterFred> Somebody decided to walk up and ask me questions. 9_9 Dec 30 23:18:34 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Hocekureem_Sea Dec 30 23:18:37 <Imperators_II> jeez Dec 30 23:18:48 <Toprawa> No edits since GAR Dec 30 23:18:51 <Toprawa> Kill Dec 30 23:18:55 <MasterFred> kill Dec 30 23:19:03 <exiledjedi> Kill Dec 30 23:19:06 <Imperators_II> a non-Tope SOTE article :O Dec 30 23:19:08 <Imperators_II> kill Dec 30 23:19:10 <Toprawa> Hocekureem Sea killed Dec 30 23:19:16 <Toprawa> This is what happens when I don't write them :P Dec 30 23:19:30 <Toprawa> Moving on Dec 30 23:19:40 <Imperators_II> sorry, Floyd, if you're reading this :P Dec 30 23:19:44 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ord_Antalaha Dec 30 23:19:54 <Toprawa> There's a list of stuff from EJ Dec 30 23:19:57 <Toprawa> Please see the meeting page Dec 30 23:20:00 <Toprawa> I won't bog down the log here Dec 30 23:20:02 <Imperators_II> yay, probe Dec 30 23:20:24 <Toprawa> The linking overall in the infobox is poor Dec 30 23:20:36 <Toprawa> Probe Dec 30 23:20:39 <exiledjedi> Probe Dec 30 23:20:44 <MasterFred> Probe Dec 30 23:20:47 <Toprawa> Ord Antalaha probed Dec 30 23:20:54 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Brangus_Glee%27s_species Dec 30 23:21:01 <Toprawa> Excuse me while I decipher the meeting page discussion... Dec 30 23:21:21 <Toprawa> Hanzo fixed everything Dec 30 23:21:25 <Toprawa> I looked at this article earlier this week Dec 30 23:21:26 <Toprawa> It seems ok Dec 30 23:21:31 <MasterFred> agreed Dec 30 23:21:33 <exiledjedi> Spare Dec 30 23:21:35 <Toprawa> Spare Dec 30 23:21:36 <Imperators_II> everything I brought up was addressed Dec 30 23:21:37 <MasterFred> spare Dec 30 23:21:38 <Imperators_II> spare Dec 30 23:21:43 <Toprawa> Brangus Glee's species spared Dec 30 23:21:51 <Toprawa> We Dec 30 23:21:55 <Toprawa> We'll skip over Bog Dec 30 23:21:57 <Imperators_II> same for Caysin Bog Dec 30 23:22:16 <Toprawa> Oon Tien still has a minor wording issue that I think we can fix without the need for probe Dec 30 23:22:30 <Toprawa> So moving on to Xexto Dec 30 23:22:34 <Toprawa> I have a lot for this one Dec 30 23:22:59 <Toprawa> 1) The article refers to the species' six "arms" in multiple places Dec 30 23:23:01 <Toprawa> It doesn't have arms Dec 30 23:23:05 <Toprawa> It has six limbs Dec 30 23:23:07 <Toprawa> See the source Dec 30 23:23:19 <Toprawa> I also doubt the source says they had 24 fingers Dec 30 23:23:23 <Toprawa> Those would be "digits" Dec 30 23:23:34 <Toprawa> 2) "Xexto were a sentient alien species, identifiable by their short stature" Dec 30 23:23:44 <Toprawa> Short stature is completely not supported by the source Dec 30 23:23:50 <Toprawa> It just says Gasgano was "slight" Dec 30 23:23:59 <Toprawa> He could be an aberration of his species, for all we know Dec 30 23:24:12 <Toprawa> Are there other indications of Xexto character heights? This should be checked. Dec 30 23:24:15 <MasterFred> Having to switch computers. Dec 30 23:24:39 <Toprawa> "They were rather short, with Gasgano standing at a height of 1.22 meters." is from that same section Dec 30 23:24:48 <Toprawa> Again, completely unsupported Dec 30 23:24:57 <exiledjedi> I'm not sure about the canon Xexto. Dec 30 23:25:00 <Toprawa> All of that needs to be re-evaluated and rewritten Dec 30 23:25:17 <Toprawa> 3) We have a redlink Dec 30 23:25:27 <Imperators_II> we STILL have a redlink Dec 30 23:25:40 <Toprawa> 4) There has been a sizable addition to the article from some comics Dec 30 23:25:46 <Toprawa> Are there no other images to be used? Dec 30 23:25:51 <Toprawa> Maybe even subsectioning and quotes? Dec 30 23:26:16 <Toprawa> 5) Consider expanding the intro a touch for these new characters Dec 30 23:26:36 <Toprawa> The intro is currently from the original version of this article that passed, when Gasgano and Ferpil were the only Xexto Dec 30 23:26:52 <Toprawa> What makes Ferpil so important to be mentioned in the intro if the other, new Xexto aren't? Dec 30 23:27:17 <Toprawa> "Woodland" might as well link to [[Tree]] Dec 30 23:27:35 <Toprawa> I think that's all I've got Dec 30 23:27:37 <Imperators_II> why not [[Forest]]? Dec 30 23:27:42 <Toprawa> Fine Dec 30 23:27:43 <Toprawa> Forest Dec 30 23:27:46 <Toprawa> I didn't know that was a thing Dec 30 23:28:23 <Toprawa> Anything else from anyone? Dec 30 23:28:25 <Toprawa> On this article Dec 30 23:28:39 <Toprawa> "Wookieepedia has 10 images related to Xexto," according to the template Dec 30 23:28:44 <Toprawa> Let's see some more in this article Dec 30 23:29:02 <Toprawa> That "slight" bit is also in the intro, btw Dec 30 23:29:14 <Toprawa> And the infobox Dec 30 23:29:16 <exiledjedi> Should the BTS be updated to reflect these new sources? Dec 30 23:29:21 <Imperators_II> also, I would like some more specific categorization, i.e., reflecting Xexto were from the Outer Rim Dec 30 23:29:32 <Toprawa> Possibly, if there's important development for the species itself in them Dec 30 23:30:05 <Toprawa> Ok, let's do it Dec 30 23:30:06 <Toprawa> Probe Dec 30 23:30:17 <Imperators_II> probe Dec 30 23:30:20 <exiledjedi> Probe Dec 30 23:30:29 <Toprawa> Xexto probed Dec 30 23:30:35 <Toprawa> Let's see what's in The Bin. Dec 30 23:31:13 <Toprawa> Quermian has a source update that's just shy of a month Dec 30 23:31:18 <Toprawa> We'll get you next time Dec 30 23:31:21 <Imperators_II> and a redlink Dec 30 23:31:27 <Toprawa> Let's wait on it, then Dec 30 23:31:42 <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Otoh_Sancture Dec 30 23:31:44 <Toprawa> Update needed Dec 30 23:31:52 <Toprawa> Probe Dec 30 23:31:59 <exiledjedi> Probe Dec 30 23:32:50 <Imperators_II> update that's slightly over nine years... probe :P Dec 30 23:32:56 <MasterFred> probe Dec 30 23:33:29 <Toprawa> Otoh Sancture probed Dec 30 23:33:37 <MasterFred> das a ferd article :P Dec 30 23:33:40 <Toprawa> Any other articles from anyone? Dec 30 23:33:54 <Imperators_II> no more from me Dec 30 23:34:05 <ecks> PROBE Dec 30 23:34:08 <Toprawa> lolz Dec 30 23:34:18 <Toprawa> Too late :P Dec 30 23:34:20 <exiledjedi> Nah, I added the one I had to the list. Dec 30 23:34:32 <MasterFred> XD Dec 30 23:34:32 <Toprawa> Meeting duties, then Dec 30 23:34:42 <Imperators_II> Tope wins Dec 31 00:00:02 * exiledjedi is now known as exiledjedi|busy Dec 31 00:00:02 <Toprawa> hmmm... Dec 31 00:00:09 <exiledjedi|busy> Sorry, gotta run. Dec 31 00:00:15 <exiledjedi|busy> Good meeting, Tope. Dec 31 00:00:20 <Toprawa> No problem, EJ Dec 31 00:00:23 <Toprawa> Thanks Dec 31 00:00:27 <Imperators_II> thanks for your time, EJ Dec 31 00:00:37 <Toprawa> Tope does paperwork and schedules Meeting 100 Dec 31 00:00:41 <Toprawa> Thanks to everyone for showing up Dec 31 00:00:47 <Toprawa> Meeting 99 is hereby concluded Dec 31 00:00:49 <Toprawa> Happy New Year to all