[23:02:46] <Toprawa> OK, welcome, everyone to AC Meeting 61. [23:03:01] <Toprawa> First up on the playlist are articles from Meeting 60. [23:03:07] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Karakan [23:03:22] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Karakan [23:03:41] <Toprawa> No change has been made. [23:03:46] <CC7567> Kill [23:03:51] <MasterFred> kill [23:03:52] <SirCavalier> Kill [23:03:56] <Tommy9281> kill [23:04:04] <CC7567> Jang and Grunny say Kill [23:04:19] <Ralltiir> Kill [23:04:22] <Ralltiir> Karakan killed. [23:04:32] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zabrak_Tystel_Mark_III [23:04:41] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Zabrak_Tystel_Mark_III [23:05:01] <Ralltiir> EJ says he updated it. [23:05:14] <CC7567> it passes the glance test in my eyes [23:05:21] <Ralltiir> Same [23:05:23] <CC7567> Keep [23:05:24] <SirCavalier> Keep [23:05:26] <Tommy9281> ^ [23:05:32] <CC7567> Jang and Grunny say Keep [23:05:32] <Ralltiir> Keep [23:05:45] <MasterFred> keep [23:05:48] <Ralltiir> Zabrak Tystel Mark III kept. [23:05:51] <Ralltiir> Moving on to new articles. [23:06:06] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Francis [23:06:10] <Ralltiir> Francis - needs a BTS update/expansion. Details found here and here. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:57, September 23, 2013 (UTC) [23:06:18] <Ralltiir> I'll let you guys peruse the two links on the meeting page if you haven't already. [23:06:44] <CC7567> Probe [23:06:50] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:06:56] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:07:03] <CC7567> Absentees say probe [23:07:25] <Tommy9281> prb [23:07:25] <MasterFred> probe [23:07:30] <Ralltiir> Francis probed. [23:07:35] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Atrivis_7 [23:07:43] <Ralltiir> Atrivis 7 - This article refers to the planet's placement in the "Atrivis system," which apparently is an alternative, less predominant name for the "Generis system." Since "Generis system" is more prominent, based on its most recent canonical nomenclature in CSWE, I believe this article should be updated to reflect this naming. Perhaps a BTS note should be added as well explaining this.... [23:07:45] <Ralltiir> ...Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:16, September 27, 2013 (UTC) [23:07:58] * WookieeWinterz ([redacted]@wookieepedia/Winterz) has joined [23:07:59] * ChanServ gives channel operator status to WookieeWinterz [23:08:03] <CC7567> Probe [23:08:05] <CC7567> hey Winterz [23:08:13] <Ralltiir> I initially found this confusing myself when I was looking through the article [23:08:15] <WookieeWinterz> already started? [23:08:20] <WookieeWinterz> meh [23:08:24] <Ralltiir> So I figure it would be confusing to less informed readers as well [23:08:35] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:08:36] <CC7567> Winterz, we're on Atrivis 7 [23:09:01] <WookieeWinterz> Probe [23:09:03] <MasterFred> I'd say Probe [23:09:28] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:09:59] <Ralltiir> Atrivis 7 probed. [23:10:07] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Atrivis [23:10:10] <Ralltiir> Atrivis - Same as above. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:16, September 27, 2013 (UTC) [23:10:13] <CC7567> Probe [23:10:17] <CC7567> Absentees say probe [23:10:19] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:10:26] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:10:38] <MasterFred> probe [23:11:20] <Tommy9281> prb [23:11:31] <Ralltiir> Atrivis probed. [23:11:37] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vuchelle [23:11:42] <Ralltiir> Vuchelle - This is minor, but reference 1's linking should specify whether the information is sourced to the first or second edition of Rebel Alliance Sourcebook. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:16, September 27, 2013 (UTC) [23:12:04] <CC7567> does anyone have access to the sourcebook? [23:12:04] <Ralltiir> My reasoning is that we don't allow disambig pages for normal linking, so they definitely shouldn't be allowed for referencing. [23:12:14] <Ralltiir> "Rebel Alliance Sourcebook" isn't a source, technically speaking [23:12:17] <CC7567> also, if one ref is going to use page numbers, all of them do [23:12:18] <Ralltiir> It's either one or the other, or both [23:12:25] <SirCavalier> Agreed, easy fix, probe [23:12:44] <WookieeWinterz> no one volunteers to fix it? <.< [23:12:44] <MasterFred> Yeah, not that hard. [23:12:47] <Ralltiir> RAS is a common sourcebook, but I don't have time to look it up right now [23:12:52] <CC7567> well, we also need page numbers [23:12:55] <CC7567> not "need," but they would be ideal [23:12:57] <CC7567> for consistency [23:13:05] <WookieeWinterz> aight, probe then [23:13:07] <CC7567> unless whoever's in charge of it decides to not use page numbers [23:13:08] <CC7567> Probe [23:13:10] <CC7567> Absentees say probe [23:13:11] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:13:32] <MasterFred> probe [23:13:34] <SirCavalier> I would check it, but I can't remember where Vuchelle was mentioned in the book at all. [23:14:00] <Ralltiir> Vuchelle probed. [23:14:01] <CC7567> alternative would be to just use the Atlas or the Online Companion [23:14:19] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gibbela [23:14:20] <Ralltiir> Gibbela - The SW.com link in reference 4 is dead, so that information is no longer being sourced. This needs to be rectified somehow. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:16, September 27, 2013 (UTC) [23:14:31] <Ralltiir> This is proving more of an issue in older articles like this, now that the SW.com Boards are gone. [23:14:41] <Ralltiir> I know Tm has some of this stuff archived [23:14:49] <Ralltiir> But this really needs to be resolved [23:14:50] <WookieeWinterz> wasn't there a SH topic to fix those? [23:15:06] <Ralltiir> There was some kind of initiative, yes [23:15:13] <SirCavalier> Also, I think that archive.org stores them, too. [23:15:26] <WookieeWinterz> well regardless, probe [23:15:50] <Ralltiir> Probe, unless someone can dig up an archive link really quick [23:15:56] <CC7567> Probe [23:15:56] <Ralltiir> That might take some searching [23:16:07] <MasterFred> yeah probe [23:16:52] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:17:07] <Ralltiir> Gibbela probed. [23:17:14] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kal_Brigger [23:17:16] <Ralltiir> Kal Brigger - 44 BBY death date is currently exclusive to infobox. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:16, September 27, 2013 (UTC) [23:17:38] <Ralltiir> Jang also notes that it needs a copyedit to update formatting standards [23:17:45] <CC7567> Jang says it would also benefit from a good copy-edit to resolve to modern standards [23:17:47] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:17:49] <CC7567> </repetition> [23:17:50] <CC7567> :P [23:17:51] <Ralltiir> :) [23:17:52] <CC7567> Probe [23:17:54] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:18:05] <MasterFred> probe [23:18:34] <Ralltiir> Absentees say probe. [23:18:39] <Ralltiir> Kal Brigger probed. [23:18:44] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Femi%27s_co-worker [23:18:48] <Ralltiir> Femi's co-worker - Article needs to be completely sourced. An "Equipment" section could discuss his occupational equipment (headset, anything else) and clothing. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:16, September 27, 2013 (UTC) [23:18:58] <CC7567> Probe [23:19:20] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:19:26] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:19:31] <MasterFred> probe [23:19:45] <Ralltiir> Absentees say probe. [23:19:49] <Ralltiir> Femi's co-worker probed. [23:19:54] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Femi [23:19:58] <Ralltiir> Femi - Article needs to be fully sourced. Infobox exclusive info (eye color). An "Equipment" section could discuss her occupational equipment (headset, anything else) and clothing. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:16, September 27, 2013 (UTC) [23:20:03] <CC7567> Probe [23:20:09] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:20:13] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:20:17] <MasterFred> same [23:20:30] <Ralltiir> Absentees say probe. [23:20:42] <Ralltiir> Femi probed. [23:20:51] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HOB-147 [23:20:52] <Ralltiir> HOB-147 - Should have an "Equipment" section to detail his armor and any weaponry he used. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:16, September 27, 2013 (UTC) [23:21:03] <CC7567> Probe [23:21:08] <Ralltiir> I believe this is pretty much standard in clone trooper articles [23:21:09] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:21:11] <Ralltiir> CC can speak to that [23:21:17] <CC7567> Yeah, it is [23:21:21] <CC7567> Or at least, it should be by now [23:21:24] <Ralltiir> Yeah [23:21:26] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:21:32] <MasterFred> probe [23:21:39] <Ralltiir> Absentees say probe. [23:21:42] <Ralltiir> HOB-147 probed. [23:21:47] <Ralltiir> Checking maintenance bin... [23:21:56] <Ralltiir> Quite a few... [23:22:01] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Qiraash?t=20130927144156 [23:22:14] <Ralltiir> Oh, this is all brand new SW.com stuff, I think [23:22:22] <SirCavalier> 1 month rule [23:22:25] <CC7567> yeah, not a month old yet [23:22:27] <CC7567> spare [23:22:33] <MasterFred> spare [23:22:42] <Ralltiir> We don't even have to vote on this. [23:22:44] <SirCavalier> spare [23:22:45] <Ralltiir> I'm checking each one. [23:23:00] <Ralltiir> This is not new. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hutt%E2%80%93Imperial_treaty?t=20130915205045 [23:23:42] <CC7567> Probe [23:23:45] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:23:47] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:23:49] <MasterFred> probe [23:24:10] <Tommy9281> prb [23:24:19] <Ralltiir> Hutt-Imperial treaty probed. [23:24:45] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Obri not new [23:24:48] <CC7567> Probe [23:24:54] <MasterFred> same [23:24:58] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:25:00] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:25:28] <Ralltiir> Obri probed. [23:25:42] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sunspot [23:25:46] <CC7567> Probe [23:25:53] <CC7567> over a month old [23:25:57] <CC7567> (the source, I mean) [23:26:05] <SirCavalier> Probe [23:26:11] <Ralltiir> Probe [23:26:17] <MasterFred> proab [23:26:34] <Ralltiir> Sunspot probed [23:26:40] <Ralltiir> That's it. [23:26:47] <Ralltiir> Anyone else have articles? [23:26:59] <Ralltiir> If not, moving onto discussion. [23:27:13] <Ralltiir> As discussed here, a Table of Contents would be desirable for the pages that list all the GA, CA, and FA. Two different styles of TOC's have been suggested. I have entered both in this prototype page. I would like to know which one is preferred so that we can implement it.--Richterbelmont10 (come in R2!) 15:57, September 22, 2013 (UTC) [23:27:23] <Ralltiir> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Richterbelmont10/Status_articles_TOC_prototype [23:28:18] <MasterFred> Hmmmmmm [23:28:30] <Ralltiir> I understand the practicality of a ToC, but I feel like it detracts from the page's presentation [23:28:31] <SirCavalier> Its not a bad idea, as long as it is one of the in-line styles rather than a ToC [23:28:45] <MasterFred> Per Cav [23:29:01] <MasterFred> Maybe put a border around it. [23:29:08] <MasterFred> To bring it out from the rest of the page. [23:29:16] <Ralltiir> That would be better. [23:29:19] <MasterFred> And maybe give it a slightly different color for the bg. [23:29:21] <Ralltiir> I would prefer the horizontal version in a border [23:29:36] <CC7567> yeah, the horizontal version shows the most potential [23:29:42] <CC7567> I do agree that a border would be helpful [23:29:43] <MasterFred> Agreed. [23:29:54] <SirCavalier> Horizontal, border, different color-ish, agreed [23:30:10] <ecks> HI [23:30:14] <Ralltiir> hi ecks [23:30:14] <MasterFred> hi [23:30:15] <ecks> woo we're still going [23:30:16] <CC7567> yo [23:30:25] <CC7567> in its current state, the horizontal version still needs some work [23:30:26] <ecks> sorry but I had to run :/ [23:30:49] <Ralltiir> It needs to not look like it's another section of GAs [23:31:01] <Ralltiir> It basically looks identical to everything else right now [23:31:04] <MasterFred> Yes. [23:31:14] <MasterFred> Which is why I suggested the border and coloring. [23:31:16] <Ralltiir> Yeah [23:31:47] <Ralltiir> Maybe even putting it in bold in addition to those [23:31:51] <Ralltiir> changes* [23:32:13] <Ralltiir> Ok, any other suggestions for this? [23:32:17] <Ralltiir> This can be discussed on that SH forum. [23:32:18] <CC7567> not from me [23:32:23] <SirCavalier> Nope. Sounds fine [23:32:25] * IFYLOFD (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/administrator/IFYLOFD) has joined [23:32:25] * ChanServ gives channel operator status to IFYLOFD [23:32:29] <ecks> Floyd [23:32:31] <Ralltiir> Hey Floyd [23:32:32] <IFYLOFD> DID I MISS IT [23:32:34] <Ralltiir> Other discussion items? [23:32:39] <IFYLOFD> HAH [23:32:40] <Ralltiir> You literally came in at the last second :P [23:32:51] <IFYLOFD> It counts, I attended the meeting B) [23:32:52] <Ralltiir> If not, meeting responsibilities... [23:32:59] <CC7567> Floyd: barely :P [23:33:09] <Ralltiir> Grunny is on paperwork. [23:33:14] <Ralltiir> Fred schedules Meeting 62. [23:33:20] <Ralltiir> Thanks for coming, everyone