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[23:00] <Xd1358> Welcome to AC meeting 29.
[23:00] <Xd1358> As there are only three ACs present, absentee notes will count :P
[23:00] <Xd1358> Starting with articles from last time.
[23:00] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Showdown_on_Coruscant
[23:00] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Showdown_on_Coruscant
[23:00] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Showdown_on_Coruscant&diff=3341604&oldid=3326183
[23:00] <Xd1358> Absentees: CC says keep, although he is not sure, and defers to those present at the meeting
[23:00] <Xd1358> The others gave their vote to Tope.
[23:01] <Darth_Burger> ok, I think I can explain this one
[23:01] <Darth_Burger> Bear with me, it's a bit long-winded.
[23:01] <Darth_Burger> Our original objection was that we think the article should give formal recognition of the canonical terms "Jedi Rebellion" and "Jedi Revolt," per CSWE
[23:02] <Darth_Burger> which the article doesn't exactly do
[23:02] <Darth_Burger> If I may quote a passage from CSWE:
[23:02] <Tommy9281> Right
[23:02] <Darth_Burger> "In the wake of the Battle of Coruscant and Palpatine's unmasking as Sidious, Mace Windu and a group of Jedi Masters tried to bring the Sith Lord to justice. With the help of Anakin Skywalker, Palpatine was able to destroy the Jedi Masters, then went to the Galactic Senate and described the battle as an attempt by the Jedi to seize control--the so-called *Jedi Rebellion* ."
[23:02] <Darth_Burger> Moreover, "Jedi Revolt" is a redirect to "Jedi Rebellion"
[23:03] <Darth_Burger> the entry on Jedi Rebellion does refer to the overall collective "rebellion" by all Jedi everywhere
[23:03] <Darth_Burger> but I think that sentence that I quoted is clearly referring, at least in part, to this Showdown on Coruscant being the Jedi Rebellion
[23:04] <Xd1358> So do we want a Bts note or a mention in the article proper as well?
[23:04] <Tommy9281> I agree.
[23:04] <Darth_Burger> I should also note that "Jedi Rebellion" is currently a redirect to Showdown on Coruscant
[23:04] <Tommy9281> I like an article mention.
[23:04] <Darth_Burger> given that, I think "Jedi Rebellion" and "Jedi Revolt" should both be mentioned and bolded in the intro
[23:04] <Xd1358> Agreed.
[23:04] <Darth_Burger> at present, there is no mention of Jedi Revolt
[23:04] <Tommy9281> That's how I would have done it.
[23:04] <Darth_Burger> and Jedi Rebellion is only mentioned in passing in the Aftermath section
[23:05] <Darth_Burger> I would recommend an extend probe to give the nominator one last opportunity to amend the article, now that we've clarified this
[23:05] <Xd1358> I don't think Naru understood what we wanted the first time, so...
[23:05] <Darth_Burger> exactly
[23:05] <Xd1358> I vote extend probe.
[23:05] <Tommy9281> I'll take that.
[23:05] <Darth_Burger> Agreed
[23:05] <Xd1358> Okay, probe extended.
[23:06] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/L8-L9
[23:06] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/L8-L9
[23:06] <Xd1358> Nothing has been done.
[23:06] <Xd1358> Absentees: Everyone says kill.
[23:06] <Xd1358> Kill.
[23:06] <Darth_Burger> Kill
[23:06] <Tommy9281> Kill
[23:06] <Xd1358> L8-L9 killed.
[23:06] <Xd1358> Then onto new articles.
[23:06] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rokak%27k_Baran
[23:06] <Xd1358> #Rokak'k Baran—infobox redlink. 1358 (Talk) 20:35, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
[23:06] <Xd1358> * Killed. Clone Commander Lee Talk 18:21, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
[23:06] <Xd1358> o There's still an issue regarding the application of the {{1st}} and {{1stm}} tags in the Appearances and Sources lists. The {{1st}} tag should
[23:06] <Xd1358> be applied to an actual Appearance list item, not a Source list item. I'm not sure the exact arrangement of these items, so I'll leave it to Cav
[23:06] <Xd1358> or someone else more familiar. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:56, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
[23:06] <Xd1358> Absentees: Three say probe, Grunny says spare, Jugs says meh
[23:06] <Darth_Burger> Grunny actually fixed that.
[23:06] <Xd1358> Grunny did something earlier today IIRC.
[23:07] <Darth_Burger> I vote no probe.
[23:07] <Xd1358> No probe.
[23:07] <Tommy9281> Me too
[23:07] <Xd1358> But we have three votes that want to probe it.
[23:07] <Darth_Burger> We have the power to overrule them in this situation.
[23:07] <Xd1358> Okay, overruled...
[23:07] <Darth_Burger> Since their votes are based on out of date information
[23:07] <Tommy9281> If grunny fixed it then keep
[23:07] <Xd1358> Rokak'k Baran spared.
[23:08] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Githany
[23:08] <Xd1358> # Githany—intro expansion, Relationships needs to be a subsection of...well, P&T I think. Nitpicky, but File:BaneAndGitha.jpg needs to be
[23:08] <Xd1358> rescanned -- speech bubbles should have text if they are complete. 1358 (Talk) 20:48, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
[23:08] <Xd1358> From CC: Naru did move the Relationship section accordingly, but someone needs to make sure that the linking is still good, and I'd also like
[23:08] <Xd1358> to see those skimpy sentences in the P&T merged into something cohesive; I'm willing to not probe it if someone agrees to take care of
[23:08] <Xd1358> these, as they're minor fixes, but they need to get done
[23:08] <Xd1358> Absentees: Everyone says probe.
[23:08] <Tommy9281> Probe
[23:08] <Xd1358> Probe
[23:08] <Darth_Burger> For the record, this is an article I'd like to see Tommy rewrite from scratch.
[23:08] <Tommy9281> The article could use a rewrite.
[23:08] <Darth_Burger> Tommy-ify it, as it were :P
[23:08] <Darth_Burger> but probe
[23:08] <Xd1358> :D
[23:08] <Xd1358> Githany probed.
[23:08] <Tommy9281> I've thought about it. Perhaps in the near future.
[23:08] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Kessel
[23:08] <Xd1358> Second Battle of Kessel—terrible linking, intro could probably be expanded, lots of infobox-only information, several grammatical mistakes,
[23:08] <Xd1358> quite a bit of lacking context. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 02:20, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
[23:08] <Xd1358> Absentees: Everyone says probe.
[23:08] <Tommy9281> Probe for now.
[23:09] <Tommy9281> Probe too.
[23:09] <Xd1358> Probe
[23:09] <Darth_Burger> Probe
[23:09] <Xd1358> Second Battle of Kessel probed.
[23:09] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dellis_Tantor
[23:09] <Xd1358> Dellis Tantor—poor linking, intro expansion. The Bts could possibly also use some work. 1358 (Talk) 18:18, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
[23:09] <Xd1358> Absentees: Everyone says probe.
[23:10] <Darth_Burger> Probe
[23:10] <Tommy9281> I'm liking these detailed notes.
[23:10] <Xd1358> Probe
[23:10] <Tommy9281> Probe.
[23:10] <Xd1358> Dellis Tantor probed.
[23:10] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Valenthyne_Farfalla
[23:10] <Xd1358> Valenthyne Farfalla—general cleanup needed: Linking, context. Bts could use some work; the intro could probably use some expansion as
[23:10] <Xd1358> well. 1358 (Talk) 20:03, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
[23:10] <Xd1358> From CC: "...with the addition of adding the "before-years" and "after-years" fields to the succession boxes and the proper info, in addition
[23:10] <Xd1358> to Xd's stuff..."
[23:10] <Xd1358> Absentees: Everyone says probe.
[23:10] <Xd1358> Probe.
[23:10] <Tommy9281> Probe. Not currently interested in him
[23:10] <Darth_Burger> Probe
[23:10] <Xd1358> Farfalla probed.
[23:11] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grond_%28Imperial%29
[23:11] <Xd1358> Grond (Imperial) - I'd prefer to see the BTS expanded some. All the material is there, but the explanation is just kind of...skimpy. The
[23:11] <Xd1358> Chiraneau [ http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chiraneau ] article does a model job of what I'm looking for. I'd like to see it resemble that.
[23:11] <Xd1358> Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:25, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
[23:11] <Xd1358> Absentees: Everyone says probe.
[23:11] <Tommy9281> Probe.
[23:11] <Darth_Burger> Probe
[23:11] <Darth_Burger> Good notes, btw :P
[23:11] <Xd1358> Probe
[23:11] <Xd1358> :P
[23:11] <Xd1358> Grond probed.
[23:11] <Tommy9281> Very good ones.
[23:11] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/12,000_BBY
[23:11] <Xd1358> 12,000 BBY - After conducting some source research in regards to the year sourcing project, we discovered that this article probably needs
[23:11] <Xd1358> to make some kind of mention of the Morseerians. Ultimate Alien Anthology states, "Despite having lived on the fringes of galactic
[23:11] <Xd1358> civilization for nearly twelve thousand years..." in reference to the Republic's first contact with the species. The date is a bit ambiguous,
[23:11] <Xd1358> but c. 12,000 BBY seems to be the closest date we can pin this down to. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:30, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
[23:11] <Xd1358> Absentees: Everyone says probe.
[23:11] <Darth_Burger> Jugs is trying to get on IRC, for the record.
[23:11] <Tommy9281> Probe.
[23:11] <Darth_Burger> I'd like to supplement this with a note.
[23:11] <Tommy9281> Poor Jonny.
[23:12] <Xd1358> What Tommy said. ^^
[23:12] <Darth_Burger> I agree to probe, though I'd like to hear Fiolli's take on all of this, since he's kind of the date master.
[23:12] <Darth_Burger> but probe for now, and we can hash anything out on the probation page
[23:12] <Xd1358> Yeah, probe.
[23:12] <Xd1358> 12,000 BBY probed.
[23:12] <Tommy9281> True.
[23:12] <Xd1358> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Coruscant_%28Great_Hyperspace_War%29
[23:12] <Xd1358> Battle of Coruscant (Great Hyperspace War)—while not really a major issue, this GA could use a good copy-edit; the linking is very lacking.
[23:12] <Xd1358> Also, there are several important individuals/other stuff that definitely needs context. 1358 (Talk) 16:38, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
[23:12] <Xd1358> Absentees: Everyone says probe.
[23:12] <Tommy9281> Probe this for now.
[23:13] <Xd1358> Probe.
[23:13] <Tommy9281> I'll have a look at it soon.
[23:13] <Darth_Burger> Probe
[23:13] <Xd1358> Battle of Coruscant probed.
[23:13] <Xd1358> Nothing on the maintenance page.
[23:13] <Tommy9281> Well that was simple.
[23:13] <Xd1358> Anything to discuss?
[23:13] <Tommy9281> Could this be the shortest meeting ever?
[23:13] <Darth_Burger> Nothing from me as of now.
[23:13] <Xd1358> Short but effective :P
[23:13] <Tommy9281> Nah, I got nuthin.
[23:14] <Darth_Burger> I think our shortest meeting is like 11 minutes.
[23:14] <Tommy9281> Lol
[23:14] <Xd1358> Meeting 29 is hereby adjourned.