Talk: Ulicus

Ulicus, welcome!

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Apology

No worries. Just a bit annoying when i tried to check the latest edit an another one came up lol. Jasca Ducato 17:47, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Revan as Nomi and Ulic's lovechild

"So… where did Nomi go while pregnant? Kinda hard to hide it from Jedi." Ahem. Jedi of the Old Republic were wise. Perhaps they had learned (either through intuition or experience) to never, never EVER ask a woman when she's expecting, or (horror!) whether she is pregnant. Even if you suspect it, DON'T. Because if she isn't... well, you're dead. So that solves one problem with your theory. -BaronGrackle 20:47, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

WookieeProject Invitation

  • As someone with interest and/or knowledge pertaining to the 2,000 - 1,000 BBY period of Star Wars, I'm inviting you to join the Wookieepedia:WookieeProject New Sith Wars, an attempt to get all article related to this period up to scratch. Please join! QuentinGeorge 03:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Image source

Could you please provide a source for [[:File:Darth Revan Cropped.jpg]]? Thanks in advance. =) --Imp 19:23, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm taking it out then, seeing as it's fan art. --Imp 19:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Revan

Hey, sorry I haven't gotten back to you on Revan. I'm still not sure that Polyglot, Mechanic, and Swoop racer all need their own sections, and I think maybe a "miscellaneous talents" section might make for better organization. Otherwise, both those sections look nicely pruned down. BtS, in particular, has become a lot more manageable. - Lord Hydronium 05:59, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Revan revert

To be honest I am not sure if the official policy speaks about how the nc tags are used, but it's just what I have seen so far. All alternative ending articles make use of the BtS. Articles shouldn't be self-contradicting even with the nc tag (which forces you to go back in time and then re-read it in the canonical version). MoffRebus 10:04, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

EN userbox

FYI: I recently learned that using more than one level of EN (more than one English userbox) screws up the auto-categorization system. So it'd probably be best if you just picked one. (Had to change my userpage too!) Cheers. Gonk (Gonk!) 15:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

One more thing: Katarnism

Not sure if you've been to Culator's page, but he has a neat Kyle Katarn custom userbox you might want. ;) Gonk (Gonk!) 15:08, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Edit

Hey, just letting you know that I rmeoved the "cleanup" tag from your page, as it goes only on articles. Chack Jadson Talk 23:39, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Re: Revan's powers and Abilities

Yeah, Ulicus, you're right about the terentatek not in Naga Sadow's tomb, but couldn't we just say that he defeated Darth Bandon? I mean, even if he did have party members to aid him, we won't know for sure. Only two things are known for certain. Revan fought Bandon, and Bandon never came back. Leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks.--Jedi Kasra 20:32, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Revan intro for proofreading

Many, many thanks to Havac. ( Uli Talk 06:53, 6 July 2009 (UTC))

Thanks Hydro. Uli Talk 23:27, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Grae ( Uli Talk 13:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC))

Draft

Revan, also known as "the Revanchist" and Darth Revan, was an eminent Jedi Knight turned conquering Dark Lord of the Sith until, berift of his true persona, he returned to the crumbling Jedi Order and saw the Sith Empire defeated. Trained as a Padawan by Kreia and a number of other Jedi Masters, both on Coruscant and at the Jedi Enclave on Dantooine, Revan became a Jedi who was by 3,964 BBY respected enough to amass a notable following that argued for Jedi intervention in the Mandalorian Wars. The Jedi Council, though opposed to this course of action, ultimately sanctioned Revan and his movement when the details of the Mandalorians' genocide of the Cathar came to light, allowing the charismatic Jedi and his closest friend, Malak, to recruit and lead a faction of the Jedi Order to war without fear of reprisal. A talented military tactician and strategist, Revan directed the Galactic Republic to victory after assuming command of its forces, finally ending the conflict in 3960 BBY with the defeat and execution of Mandalore, the destruction of Malachor V and the disarmament of the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders. Yet in the wake of this triumph, Revan, his loyal Jedi followers, and the third of the Republic fleet under his direct control ventured into the Unknown Regions and ceased all communications with the known galaxy.

Having embraced the seductive Sith teachings he encountered at the Trayus Academy on Malachor V, the enigmatic war hero tracked down ancient Rakatan Star Maps in pursuit of the Star Forge, a superweapon of the Infinite Empire. Succeeding in this, he returned to the civilisation he had left behind openly as Darth Revan, Dark Lord of the Sith. Commanding the continued obidence of many veterans of the Mandalorian Wars, and alongside the man who was now his Sith apprentice Darth Malak, Revan betrayed the Jedi, turned against the Republic and plunged the known galaxy into civil war. Having taken advantage of the Star Forge to spawn an immense armada, Revan cut a carefully calculated path of conquest through the Outer Rim and established a powerful new Sith Empire to which new converts regularly flocked. Though the Republic staved off defeat for two years, thanks to the extraordinary Battle Meditation of the gifted Padawan Bastila Shan, Revan's ultimate triumph seemed inevitable until he and his apprentice were ensnared by a Jedi trap. As a Republic fleet engaged that of the two ruling Sith, a Jedi strike team - including Shan - boarded Revan's flagship and battled its way to the Dark Lord. Mere moments before the Jedi engaged Revan in combat, however, Malak - sensing an opportunity to be rid of both the Jedi and the Master whose power he coveted - had his own ships open fire on the distracted Sith Lord's bridge. Caught by surprise, Revan was incapacitated by Malak's attack and then captured by the strike team while his traitorous apprentice, continuing the assault on his Master's ship and believing Revan destroyed, seized control of the Sith Empire.

His mind shattered, his memories scattered, and soon thought dead by the galaxy-at-large, Revan's life was preserved by none other than Shan, an act that forged a Force bond between them. Unable or unwilling to restore his true persona, but requiring the knowledge buried deep within his mind, the Jedi Council used the Force to rebuild Revan with a new identity loyal to the Republic. Nearly a year later, after Revan—still oblivious to his true past—rescued the captive Shan alongside Carth Onasi and a band of allies on Taris, the Jedi Council on Dantooine retrained Revan and bid him discover the source of Malak's colossal fleet. Revan and his loyal comrades thwarted all obstacles and adversaries during their search for the Star Maps on Tattooine, Kashyyyk, Manaan, and Korriban as Revan regained his talents and fragments of his memories. In the midst of this odyssey, the group was ensnared by Admiral Saul Karath, commander of the Sith fleet, aboard the Leviathan. Though he and his friends escaped, killing Karath along the way, Darth Malak confronted Revan, revealed his former Master's true identity, and captured Shan, the woman Revan had come to love. Continuing in the face of this loss, Revan and his allies successfully discovered the final Star Map and the location of the Star Forge. There, in the Lehon system, Revan rejected the darkness of his past, turned Shan—whom Malak had broken to his will—back to the light, vanquished the reigning Dark Lord, and aided in the Star Forge's destruction, thereby defeating the Sith Empire and bringing the civil war he had instigated to a close. A year later, having driven the warring Sith factions from Korriban, Revan—memories of his former life returning—left the known galaxy and all his friends behind on a solitary quest against the "true" Sith. As of [[3,623 BBY]] he was not known to have returned.

Revan

Hello, Ulicus. I'm working on Revan's article on a sub-page of mine, would you like to help me with it? Basically, I need help with filling in the basic details of Revan's second search for the Star Forge. Are you interested?--Jedi Kasra (talk) 14:35, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

  • By the way, good job woth putting the new quote on Malak's article. Finally, we have a good quote from himself.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 14:53, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll have a look at some point. I don't really know how much time I'm going to spending around the Wook, I'm just doing the Revan intro because I was bored and I had some free time. No worries on the Malak quote, either. I knew it'd be perfect the minute I read it. :) ( Uli Talk 19:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC))

  • First off, I apologize for not objecting to anything within those three days. I was (and still am) quite busy with my noms for Malak, Nord, Karath, and the Seyugi Dervishes. Anyway, here's your objections, and my reasons and apologies…
    • No worries, sorry if I sounded too harsh. I had just hoped to hammer out the fine details before I posted it into the main article to start with. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

What I'll keep if you can prove it

  1. Malak fired upon Revan from aboard the Leviathan -- where is this stated? The KotOR CG? It's certainly not in the game. I wasn't aware we knew from which ship Malak launched his assault. You may be right but I'd like to see a source.
    • The Leviathan's entry in the CSWE states that Karath gave it to Malak when he turned traitor. No other source says, or doesn't say, that Malak did not use the Leviathan during the capture of Revan.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 19:07, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • So we don't know whether he was aboard the Leviathan or not? It should be removed in that case. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

What I'll Remove/Change

  1. Species/Gender is unnecessary. That's what the infobox is for. It's certainly not a requirement for an FA, see Tycho Celchu or Kol Skywalker for example. All you've done is make the sentence longer for no good reason.
    • I don't know, it;'s not necessary, but most of the FAN's nowadays have to have both species and gender mentioned in the intro.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • Trust me, we don't need it. Leave it out for now, at least. If it has to be added, we can always do it later. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  2. "The Republic fleet under his direct control": We're specifically told in KotOR I that Revan had only a third of the (entire) Republic Navy/Fleet under his *direct* control, even though he was in overall command of everything by the end of the war.
    • The KotOR CG states that he took control of the entire fleet, so that's what we have to go by.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • See, you're confusing control with *direct* control. We've known since KotOR that Revan was in overall control of the entire Republic fleet, the point is that only a third was under his and Malak's direct control. Revan and Malak only took a third of the fleet into the unknown regions. Hmm. Or maybe Revan did have direct control of the fleet in its entirety during the war, but "by the war's end, a full third of the Republic fleet was under their direct control". Perhaps the sentence should say, the third of the Republic fleet that remained under Revan's direct command? That way it stays consistant with everything. Gotta work all the angles. ;) Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  3. Echo: "Revan tracked down ancient Rakatan Star Maps in pursuit of the Star Forge, a superweapon of the Rakatan Infinite Empire." The second "Rakatan" is unnecessary. Try saying the above out loud, too. It sounds weird.
    • The reader might think, "Infinite Empire of what?". The Inquisitors always stress clarity.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • If it's absolutely necessary (and the guys I got to proofread it never seemed to think so), then we should just say ancient Star Maps blah blah a superweapon of the Infinite Empire of the Rakata Leave out the first rakatan entirely. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  4. "Jedi Knight Bastila Shan". Bastila was a Padawan during Revan's reign (and for at least some of Malak's), not a Jedi Knight. "Padawan Shan you are already familiar with" - Zhar I specified Padawan for a reason. It's dumb, sure, but that's what the game says.
    • In every other source, like the NEC and the KotOR CG, they list Bastila as a Jedi Knight. The game also lists Carth as being a captain, yet the CG lists him as being a commander. Newest, and latest, canon overrides all other previous sources.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • We have to be able to distinguish between "new canon" and mistakes, though. The original source should be gospel unless the change made was deliberate. If we don't know it was deliberate, we should assume it wasn't. The alternative is madness. I'm sure Bastila did become a Jedi Knight eventually (hence the listing), maybe even during KotOR. Do the sources that say she was a Jedi Knight specify that this was during Revan's reign? See, my objection here is that when sourcebooks mess up, if Wookieepedia caters to the cock-up, then later writers might forget all about the original source. It's a slippery slope. I know I was really upset that the Bendak Starkiller article hadn't been more thorough at the time of the KotOR CG's writing, since it led to an incredibly contradictory backstory. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
        • I understand what you mean, the NEC states that she was a Jedi Knight at the time of his capture, I think. Something like "The Jedi Knight Bastila Shan led a strike team…" and so forth.
  5. Echo: "Caught by surprise, Revan was incapacitated by Malak's attack and then captured by the strike team while Malak, believing his Master destroyed, seized control of the Sith Empire." Two "Malaks" in one sentence looks bad, bland and boring. You've made this sentence worse for no good reason. Why? "While his traitorous apprentice" was both accurate and engaging to the reader.
    • I'll admit I was wrong about this.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • Cool. Sorry if I sounded overly harsh. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
        • No, you weren't harsh. See, as you know, everything we do, we try to better the wiki, so it's not personal.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 23:55, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  6. "Unable to restore Revan's true persona". You're making assumptions. There are conflicting sources. Some say they were unable, others that they were unwilling (we even have a section on that in the article, don't we?). The intro must take both into account.
    • I forgot this.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • No worries. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  7. "the Sith fleet's commander" - why even make this change? Sure, you cut down on one word, but it doesn't look half as nice as "commander of the Sith fleet".
    • True, but people keep asking me to reduce the size of the intros I write. Like when I nomed Bandon for the FA's, it was originally three paragraphs, now it's two. Not saying Revan needs two as well, just saying that Wookieepedia is about directness, I think. I attempted to do something similar with Malak, and one of the Inquisitors told me that this is an encyclopedia, not a fantasy storybook.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • I was told to make it comprehensive. Long windedness is a bad idea, certainly (which is why I summed the Lehon parts of the game up so fast), but yeah... one word dude. :P Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  8. "After killing Karath and attempting to escape the Leviathan". Yeah, we know they're on the Leviathan, why the repetition? The original sentence had more punch.
    • People on here keep asking me to clarify stuff like this, so I thought might as well add this in.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • It didn't need clarification though. IMO at least. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
        • OK, then. We'll run with it. I plan to eventually nom Revan for the FA's, which is why I have the sub-page. If anybody objects to it, we can change it.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 23:55, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  9. "On Rakata Prime, when Shan, whom Malak had broken to his will, attempted to turn Revan back to the dark side, Revan rejected her pleas. As the Republic fleet attacked the Star Forge in the Rakata system, Revan boarded the ancient space station, turned Shan back to the light, and vanquished Malak in a duel, thereby defeating the Sith Empire and bringing the war he had instigated to a close." I appreciate what you were trying to do here, but it looks a bit clunky. I'll keep the additional information you've added but I'm going to pretty it up a bit. ;)
    • No problem.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • Cheers. It's my very favourite thing to do. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  10. "Three hundred years after the Jedi Civil War's end, Revan was believed to have never returned to the galaxy." Looks poor, sorry. You also got the date wrong. The FAQ over at the TOR website (which tells us that "Revan never returned") is speaking of the situation during the "present day" of TOR, which is [[3,623 BBY]]. 3653 BBY is the year the Treaty of Coruscant was signed. Again, I did do my research. If you think I'm wrong about something (and I can be, because I'm human) please bring it up with me before you just change it. Because you might be wrong.
    • I apologize for this, I was wrong. I do think, however, that the three hundred years part can still be kept.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • I don't entirely disagree with you. I just like "Revan was thought to have never returned to the galaxy" as an ending better, which is hard to work with the "three hundred years" as opposed to a specific date. I'll certainly see what I can do. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Stuff I'm just curious about

  1. Why'd you change all references to Lehon to "Rakata Prime"? Just curious. Seems a bit superficial.
    • Because in the pages for Malak and others, it lists it as Rakata Prime. I see no reason why it can't stay, since the battle is called "Battle of Rakata Prime.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • Fair dos. It's not really a big deal to me. Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
  2. Good.-Jedi Kasra (talk) 23:55, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, you didn't do a bad job with the intro at all, and it's certainly better than the original. And the offer to help me with my subpage on Revan still stands.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:28, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm definitely interested in helping out but I'm also about to embark on my Master's course at University, so I don't know how much time I'm going to have to devote to that sort of project. Rest assured, though, if I do have the time, I'll help you like a shot. KotOR is what got me back into the Star Wars EU and Revan remains one of my favourite characters. I absolutely want to see justice done to his article. :) Uli Talk 21:00, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
    • Me too, dude, me too. I am also working on it with Naru. Like you, I've pretty much immersed myself in all things KotOR. If you want, take a look at my FA noms for Malak, Nord, and Karath here, and if you have any objections, paste them on the noms. Good to have you aboard Project: Revan. Just do what you can when you can. By the way, good luck with your Master's. MTFBWY, dude.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 23:55, September 18, 2009 (UTC)
      • Don't worry about getting it "NOMed" any time soon. Do it right, not fast. ;) Uli Talk 02:02, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
  • There's one thing about the whole "Is Bastila a Padawan or Knight" thing to consider. Perhaps the game was wrong. Do you recall a character called "Iridorian Mercenary" in the game? (He was on Manaan.) Anyway, when the KotOR CG came out, the mercenary's species name was changed to Iridonian. When asked about this, Rodney Thompson, one of the writers of the guide, stated that LFL said that the game was in error. I'll eventually ask Abel G Pena, who wrote the Jedi and Sith sections of the guide, about this.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 15:27, September 19, 2009 (UTC)
  • Looks good. Added it to sub-page, as well.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 17:34, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Your concerns over Malak

Hey Uli, glad to see ya back. I'll review the interview with Erickson and the timeline video and dialogue and edit the article accordingly.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 00:31, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

  • No no, it's fine. You're dedicated to improving the Wook as much as I am, and especially KotOR-themed articles. I should especially concerned about Revan and Malak, since I've got the project on Revan and I'm going to nom Malak a 2nd time for the FAs! Anyway, we were actually using Erickson's words as a source in Malak's article until the Timeline came out, so glad you pointed that out.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 01:37, July 2, 2010 (UTC)