Talk: Marudubshinki

Signing

Maru, I request that you learn to sign your name on talk pages whenever you have a question. It can be done with four tildes as so: ~~~~. --Riffsyphon1024 15:21, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Riff, what are you referring to? I went back and checked my last five or six talk: edits, and in all of them I did indeed sign that way (or at least immediately corrected it). But while we're talking, could you check out the Carrack article? I seriously think it is a copyvio of the carrack entry in the Essential Guide to Vehicles. --Maru 16:09, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I wouldn't know because I don't have that Guide. Shadowtrooper probably does though. --Riffsyphon1024 16:25, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Alright; I've asked him. But you still haven't pointed out where I haven't been signing. --Maru 16:39, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Shit, I must be losing my mind, I can't remember or find where that was. --Riffsyphon1024 17:48, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

'You are old, Father Riff,' the young editor said in dispute,

And your Userpage has become very white;

And yet you incessantly contribute--

Do you think, at your age, it is right?'

'In my youth,' Father Riff replied to him when done,

I feared it might injure the brain;

But, now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,

Why, I do it again and again.' :) --Maru 18:01, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm not quite that old, my young padawan. --Riffsyphon1024 02:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Copyvio

I'm checking now. And if you don't mind, I'll just put up the vio tag if it needs it--saves time. --15px Shadowtrooper _talk 17:31, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've checked it, if it is a copyvio, it wasn't copied from the EGVV--there's only one sentence that's really close. --15px Shadowtrooper _talk 17:38, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hmm; now that I compare it line-to-line, there are enough differences that it probably wouldn't qualify as a copyvio. Maybe I'm just too sensitive to copyvios. Probably since I've seen so many here. Ah well- false alarm, my bad. --Maru 18:02, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

C'Baoth

As per your request, the inhabitants of Wayland mention a duel between Joruus C'baoth and another Force-user, presumably Palpatine's Guardian Dark Jedi, when they encounter Luke, Han, Mara, Lando, etc, etc. as they're hiking to Mount Tantiss. --Thanos6 02:37, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So you're right-

"After the builders left came someone who called himself the Guardian, and he, too, sought control over the native peoples. Finally, the one who called himself the Jedi Master came, and in a batlle that lit up the sky he defeated the Guardian." ~page 301, 1st edition hardcover.

But unfortunately, that doesn't seal the deal, since we know C'Baoth is fond of warping and abusing minds, and it makes sense to suppose that if he really believed he had fought and killed a Guardian, then his delusion would be reflected in his peoples' minds; then again, the only other example we have of Dark-side induced mass delusion was the burying of the Lusankya on Coruscant, which Palpatine did, and he was both sane, better controlled, and more powerful than C'Baoth. Quite a puzzle. I should probably add this to the article --Maru 17:16, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wasteful redirects

I find it odd that you are going out of your way to make decapitalized redirects to articles. Why do this when we'll just catch some anon doing it and fix theirs? --Riffsyphon1024 19:07, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I do it, Riff, because in the course of my work on Wikipedia articles, I want to type in an article name and go there, and not to a list of search results, which may or may not (thanks to a mediocre search engine) have the result which I already know exists. It is more convenient for me to simply make a redirect and never have that particular problem again. --Maru 19:34, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)

History of the Vengeance

It is of the same class.... since it is the same ship. Cronal received it from Jerec as a proof of his loyalty to the Reborn Emperor, and took it back to the deep core, and Byss.

I see you've written this in the history of the article. Do you have an actual source for this? Would appreciate it. :) VT-16 12:02, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• Edit: I think you might have mixed up the Imperial-class Star Destroyer Vengeance II with this one. It was that ship Blackhole took to Byss. VT-16 12:05, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Hm. I took that factoid from the Dark Forces saga, but there seems to be a problem:

Jerec remained very busy in the time leading up to the Battle of Endor. For a time, he became governor of Kyle Katarn's homeworld Sulon, having an extravagant palace built in honor of himself. Jerec's ambition also drove him to seek out a mind-controlling monster called Spore in order to create an army of slaves, though the beast instead destroyed Jerec's Imperial Star Destroyer Vengeance. Jerec had the ship's computer core salvaged from the wreckage and transferred to a new Star Destroyer called the Vengeance II, though with its predecessor destroyed, the numerical amendment was infrequently applied. Jerec eventually ordered the ship's captain to join Admiral Ozzel's Death Squadron, as the Dark Jedi already had a Super Star Destroyer being built to accommodate his unceasingly swelling ego.

Besides gathering a number of quasi-loyal Dark Jedi over the years, Jerec also became a billionaire by attracting wealthy silent backers. One of them was Grand Moff Ardus Kaine, using his right to grant exemptions from Inquisitorius audits. After the second Death Star's destruction, Jerec and several other Inquisitors joined Grand Moff Kaine's Imperial faction under the title Great InQuestors of Judgment.

Approximately a year after the Battle of Endor, however, Jerec was contacted by the former Prophet Blackhole, who revealed that Emperor Palpatine was in fact alive and watching galactic events from the Deep Core at the center of the galaxy. Blackhole charged Jerec with finding the fabled Valley of the Jedi for the glory of the Emperor, and Jerec pledged his submission to the reincarnated dictator, giving Blackhole the Vengeance II to take back to the planet Byss as a sign of his commitment.

(Part 6)

How could Jerec give Blackhole the Vengeance II if it had already been sent away to join the Death Squadron, and Jerec was only using the SSD? Indeed, the SSD does not appear to be named at all.

Looking through with a word search, we find this from Part 3:

The prophets had agents on several planets. On Tatooine, Sariss worked for Governor Tour Aryon, going by the name Prophetess. She also helped train the darksider Merili, and was often part of the Secret Order entourage sent to the Super Star Destroyer Vengeance to confer with Jerec, whom she'd first met during his time on Dromund Kaas years earlier. She became strongly attracted to the enigmatic Inquisitor and his visions of ruling the galaxy. Through violent and masochistic lightsaber sessions, Jerec turned Sariss from one of Palpatine's magicky pets into his quasi-loyal second-in-command. When the population of Tatooine rebelled against their Imperial oppressors following the Battle of Endor, Sariss saw the perfect opportunity to disappear and join Jerec.

If we take the SSD's name, and the previous statements at face value we have the following sequence: Vengeance (the first one), an ISD, destroyed by Spore. Then Vengeance II, another ISD with the original Vengeance's computer core. Sent to join Ozzel's Death Squadron. Then, simultaneously, Vengeance, a Super Star Destroyer of eccentric design, and then somehow the Vengeance II returned from the Death Squadron, only to be handed over to Blackhole?? What happened to the SSD Vengeance then? No, assuming that the ISD Vegeance II never returned and that it was the SSD Vengeance that was given to Cronal after Jerec went to Ruusan (thereby simultaneously explicating the picture and fixing a hole in the Vengeance (SSD)'s history.) is much the simpler scenario. I'm not alone in reading it this way- Publius says "Jerec "pledged his submission to the reincarnated dictator," and even handed over his command ship Vengeance as a token of his loyalty;... " It is unlikely that possessing a SSD, Jerec would make an ISD his commandship. --Maru (talk) Contribs 19:12, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• But, if he handed the Vengeance' SSD over to Byss, how did he travel around until his death? Did he get it back and then it got sent back to Byss after he died in Dark Forces II? VT-16 07:24, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

I really don't know. It might be possible that Cronal was aboard when Jerec left for Ruusan, and simply took it to Byss then, but I don't know enough about when Dark Forces II took place to say for sure. More likely this is just another continuity screwup. --Maru (talk) Contribs 17:04, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

DF II takes place in 5 ABY, DE I in 10 ABY. In other words, five years after Jerec's death.

But you're right that the ship he handed over would be in his possesion, not in a squadron he didn't belong to. I guess my suggestion above might suffice... VT-16 18:45, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

That's not a very satisfactory conclusion... It is possible if the Death Squadron was disbanded before Endor, since Jerec and all the Inquisitors were persona non grata shortly thereafter, and Jerec was in the Pentastar Alignment almost immediately as I recall. So that leaves a narrow window for him to have gotten back the ISD; and besides, how likely is it they would have given him an ISD when he already had an SSD? But I doubt that with available resources we can chase this down to a satisfactory conclusion, so we will have to leave it as speculation. --Maru (talk) Contribs 00:13, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Copying back and forth...

Hey Maru. When copying content from Wookieepedia to Wikipedia, please use {{wookieepedia}} on the appropriate Wikipedia talk page. For a quick overview on using the template, see: Wookieepedia_talk:Community_Portal#For_Wikipedia. If you're copying content from Wikipedia to Wookieepedia, please use the {{wikipedia}} on the appropriate Wookieepedia talk page. Cheers! --SparqMan 10:03, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Replied on my Wikipedia talk page. --Maru (talk) Contribs 16:45, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Re: Holocron Image

The Jedi and Sith Holocron images can be found on the Official Site's Blog section. They're among the image choices that you can include in an article. -DarthMaul431 23:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Maru (talk) Contribs 01:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)