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Han Solo at Star's End

Shouldn't that be the first appearance? Kuralyov 19:22, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

astromech

Did the fighter require an Astromech?--KrossTransmit on Holonet? 13:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Nope. There's no socket for an astromech on a Headhunter. Maybe on some of the modified ones, but it's certainly not standard. 68.47.234.131 11:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
    • I believe that a modified one carried an astromech socket, however. I'll have to find something on it. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Mark I Headhunter

Are there any official images of the original, swing-wing Headhunter? Red XIV 04:28, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

  • There probably isn't. But who knows, I could be wrong. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) Imperial Emblem 12:38, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Pity. I'd really like to see what it looks like, and that would make a perfect addition to this article if it exists. Red XIV 04:19, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Z-95 Split Wing-HSCS-WEG

  • How are those Z-95s? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:12, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
    • "They were early production snubfighters:Z-95 Headhunters. Indicating the snubs, Han asked Jessa, "What'd ya do, knock over a museum?" Direct quote from the book, which is a caption under the picture in the source book. Also, the Z-95's were described as having bubble canopies, which these do. I just pulled the picture. Don't ask me for explain it. This is an old source book. LSUAdman 19:18, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
      • And I believe the new sources show the more "correct" Z-95. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Then the Z-95 Swing-wing goes without a picture. Feel free to blast the pic to free up server room. LSUAdman 19:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
          • Those are the farthest things from a Z-95. Unless they decided to completely change the design but keep the name, I doubt those are truly considered Z-95s anymore. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
            • Not to argue the point, but I could see them being a Z-95 early run model. Take off the nose and replace with a "bubble" cockpit. Then go back to the early -95's weapons, which were 2 triple blasters. Take the wings and make them variable, in this case I believe they would fold up like a lambda (see the little joints?). Finally, get rid of all the engines save one, and move it directly aft. Yes they are wierd, but they are Z-95-esk. Like you said, they don't look like "modern" Z-95s, but they arn't modern. Not even by a long shot. There are what? 9 different Z-95 models? And they all look exactly alike?

Anyway, I'm not going to screw with the article. Let it come to an agreement, or we can just throw the pic out.LSUAdman 19:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

  • The picture can stay, but why would they make such radical changes to the Z-95 design when they could have kept it as it was? It just doesn't make sense. Perhaps this will be retconned as a Z-94 or something. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Beats me. Like I said, I just scanned it. Who knows what Subpro/Incom was thinking. Heck, for all we know it was a Subpro heavily influenced version, since all other similarities look like an Incom X-wing. Why can't people stay within continuity. LSUAdman 19:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Quote

Maybe we should put in a second quote about how the Z-95 sucked by the Galactic Civil War era.-Commander Mike 01:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

S-Foils

Anyone know which model of Headhunter had "X" design strike foils, as depicted in The Phantom Affair? http://swsv.swcombine.com/incom/z95-5.jpg (pic for reference) Dangerdan97 12:23, 15 Jun 2006 (UTC)

  • I think that was just a combination of a X-wing and Z-95, not an actual Z-95 model. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:35, 15 Jun 2006 (UTC)
    • Booster and Wedge refer to it simply as a Z-95, plus it happens a good 3-4 years before the first X-wing was built. Dangerdan97 12:39, 15 Jun 2006 (UTC)
      • Really? Because The Phantom Affair, to my knowledge, takes place after the X-wing was designed, unless it's a flashback. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Indeed, it is a flashback to the circumstances surrounding the deaths of Wedge's parents. Dangerdan97 08:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
          • Oh. So it's kind of a pre-X-wing X-wing. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
            • Looks to be a late model, in the AF series. Since the AF4 has no s-foils, it may be an AF3, or a refitted AF4. It could even be a T-65A, as early X-wings looked a lot like Z-95s. It's also possible that the Z-95/T-65 is really the same evolutionary line, just with the T-65 renamed because of the split with Subpro, and later because of more differences, including the s-foils and built in hyperdrive. X-Wing/Z-95 history is a mess, especially around the transition point. --AdmiralWesJanson 03:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Tight turn

Han Solo, in HSaSE, said that the Z-95 could take a tight turn. I'm making a note about that. Steel Damascus 08:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Bomber?

Could I please get a source where it was referred to as a bomber? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 17:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Don't know about it explicitly being a bomber, but the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook does say they were sometimes upgraded with ground-attack missiles. jSarek 02:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • As I recall, the Z-95 was something of a utility fighter, similar to the X-Wing. While both the T-65 and the Z-95 are generally classified as "superiority fighters," they were both designed with flexibility in mind. As many variations as there are of the X-Wing, there are just as many of the Headhunter. Aside from that:[rant] we're talking about starfighters here. While there are fighters that are technically classified as "bombers," what do they bomb? While most of them have atmospheric capability, they're designed primarly for use in space. A Y-Wing, for example, is classified as a "bomber." I suppose you can't call it a scout due it's sluggishness; can't call it a superiority fighter due to its lack of maneuverability; can't call it an assault fighter for its lack of armor. So: strap some missiles to it, stick an ion turret on top and call it a bomber.[/rant]
    • Actualy the Y-wing has extremly strong armour and shields, the Rebels just removed the armour to make mantianing them easier as removing the armour and then replacing it afterwards was a very time & labor consuming process! -- Awar 15:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
    • Thinking about nomenclature as it applies to military aircraft of the real world, fighters are specifically designed to combat enemy aircraft, bombers are specifically designed to drop unguided ordinance on ground targets (like the TIE bombers as depicted in Empire Strikes Back, when they're dropping bombs into the asteroids), and aircraft that are capable of both (or are used in a Close Air Support role) are referred to as attack aircraft. In the US military, fighter models start with F (F-16, F-22), and attack aircraft start with A (A-7, A-10). The F/A-18 Hornet, for example, is used for both roles. I would imagine that the Z-95 would be used in a similar way. So to apply it directly to the conversation, I think it would be more accurate to call the Headhunter an attack fighter than a bomber. Cozmo 05:53, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Quote

I have the TPM novel, and nowhere does it say that quote on the chracteristics page could somone deal with that thanks.

image

the link image is a t 65 incom x wing starfighter.has anyone noticed that???? Imperialwalker 02:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

  • Be more specific. The article has several images. Do you mean the Z-95 with S-foils or what? -Fnlayson 02:36, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
  • the one above the search bar Imperialwalker 02:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
    • Ah, you mean this? -- Ozzel 02:56, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
  • no the other one.the one with bad quality Imperialwalker 02:57, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
    • this one? -- Ozzel 03:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
  • yes that one.doesnt that look like an X -Wing?? Imperialwalker 03:07, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
    • A little bit. But there's 2 laser cannons like a Z-95. Go to Wookieepedia:Search icons for the Icon lists and to complain about them. ;) -Fnlayson 03:14, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
  • point.thanks! Imperialwalker 03:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Missile Payload

The stats indicate that the Z-95 has 2 concussion missile launchers, but do we know how many missiles it carried in total? (for example a y-wing has 2 proton torpedo launchers, but carries 8 torpedoes). thanks!

  • The Star Wars Roleplaying Game Revised Core Rulebook lists their payload as 6 concussion missiles. jSarek 00:17, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Thank you - I actually got my hands on that book yesterday. I'll note that not all the missile payload match those reported here however - the Y-wing proton torpedo is doubled (8 per launcher), while the X wing payload is the same. So how reliable is it... I don't know.

Its the same amount in X-Wing Alliance so I'd say it's relieable. Aybfreak (Just some guy) 20:06, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Swing-wing image

If anyone's interested in adding it, here's an image with a swing-wing headhunter in the lower left corner. It's from the Alliance Fleet article but might need to be cropped to better highlight the Headhunter itself.Tocneppil 22:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Fleet
  • While that IS very likely a swing-wing Headhunter judging by its looks, does the text itself support this interpretation? While I love Nunis's pulpy artwork, it very rarely directly directly into the text it was next to. jSarek 10:54, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
    • If you are referring to the text in this article, then no. The swing-wing Headhunter appears in Han Solo at Stars End, but its appearance as depicted in the book was overshadowed by the various depictions of Stars End with their inaccuracies and inconsistencies to continuity.Tocneppil 19:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
      • I was referring to the text in the Gamemaster Screen, which my copy of is currently in the possession of a friend of mine, so I can't check it myself until Thursday. At any rate, the fighter in this pic doesn't appear to have the bubble canopy that the swing-wing Z-95 was supposed to have. jSarek 21:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
        • I don't think there is a caption relating to the Headhunter specifically. And some of the other depictions don't seem to show a strong difference between the bubble canopy and a regular canopy. My intent was to show how the swing-wing Headhunter looked (although overall accuracy is important).Tocneppil 20:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

About date of constructing

Hello there. While reading the article, I've found a timing mistake. Look: The Z-95 Headhunter was a starfighter designed jointly by Incom and Subpro Corporations years before the Invasion of Naboo.

and then

Originally, the Z-95 was constructed by the Galactic Republic before the Clone Wars.

As far as I know, the Invasion of Naboo was years before the Clone Wars 8o) Yeah. that's a problem --vovazl 07:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

  • Uh, I don't see any problem. "Before the Clone Wars" doesn't mean a year or two before the war broke out. Besides, even if it did mean only a year or two before the conflict, the Republic (through Incom or Subpro) would still be manufacturing it. Grand Moff Tranner 11:14, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
    • So, you don't know either Z-95 was produced several years before the Clone Wars or a decade, do you? --vovazl 14:31, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
      • No, I don't know when it was first produced, but there's no timing mistake. Grand Moff Tranner 19:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Shielding/hull rating specs?

I'm making a modification for the game Star Wars: Empire at War and I wanted to know the technical specifications for the shields and hull of the Z-95, are there any numbers given for RU and SBD for the Z-95 anywhere? The stats in EaW seem really off (twice the shielding of an x-wing, yet less health than a TIE Fighter).Nebulon B freak 01:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC) And of course, if you do find the shielding and hull stats, please add them to the infobox, it just seems really incomplete to not have things like that.Nebulon B freak 22:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Old Republic

While I'm not disputing the Galactic Republic tag on this page, do we have any sources of Galactic Republic battles in which the Z-95 took part? Jenosidanian 20:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Z-95X?

In the picture with the "Headhunter modified with X-wing s-foils" it looks to me this is actually just a misnamed X-wing anyone else think so?Lieutenant J.J 05:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)Lieutenant J.J

  • It's explicitly referred to in the comic as a Z-95. jSarek 07:30, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
    • Oh. Sorry, just wondering.Lieutenant J.J 08:10, 9 November 2008 (UTC)Lieutenant J.J

Paul Cargile's - Brian Daley Z-95 Headhunter

Paul Cargile, a 3D Modeler, designed a Z-95 Headhunter based solely on the original descriptions of Brian Daley from chapter 4 of Han Solo at Stars' End and Brian's interview with Alex Newborn. Have a look:

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Does this match what is originally described in chapter 4 of Han Solo at Stars' End?

Frank V Bonura STAR WARS Deckplans Alliance Founder 14:21, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

  • They're probably pretty close; at the very least, they've got the swing-wing/bubble canopy thing down. jSarek 19:44, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

So powerful...that Slave I can catch one on sublight

If Slave I could catch a Z-95 on sublight engines alone, they're not really that powerful, are they? Or is Fett just that good with his upgrades?—B-Boba Fett! He'll kill us all! JasterMereelsSigil-TESB 22:01, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

  • A bit of both. Z-95s were far from top-of-the-line, but a competent pilot could make good use of one. Slave I WAS heavily upgraded, though, making it a tough opponent for even top-of-the-line starfighters. jSarek 05:44, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
So, Z-95 is good, but not good enough.—B-Boba Fett! He'll kill us all! JasterMereelsSigil-TESB 19:17, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
    • Well when you look at it like that, no it wasn't good enough. But like jSarek said, Slave I was tough for even the best fighters to take down. So to say that the Z-95 wasn't good enough because it couldn't outrun or outgun Slave I isn't a fair assessment of the fighter.Cozmo 06:00, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Tatooine Manhunt missing?

The Z95 and the original art showcasing it, which I believe was concept art to be considered for the 1977 Star Wars film, can be found in "Tatooine Manhunt" from West End Games. It was the property of the charater Adar Talon. They licensed a lot of the concept art for from the original films.

I noticed "Tatooine Manhunt" is not listed as a source, nor is it in the appearances section. That was the first place I had ever heard of a Z95 and I think predated any novels where-in the Z95 was used in the story.

Neurox1 (talk) 22:25, October 23, 2016 (UTC)Neuro