Article re-write
- I have just started work on the Yuuzhan Vong invasion article but I don't have enough sources to make it interesting. This job is too difficult to do on my own. Can somebody please expand this article ?
219.93.174.105
- I'm undertaking a gigantic re-write of the article. Encouraged by the FA status of the Great Sith War, it's my project. However the Yuuzhan Vong War is huge, and it's going to take months, as I can only really contribute a little a night and perhaps not even that. But it will eventually be FA, I promise. So I'm not putting on a Work in Progress tag (though I will if I'm told I must), because it will take so long. But if anyone wants to help, message me. Thanks. So far (5th Nov) I've done Barab I, Yevetha extinction, Cremlevian War, Silentium/Ambominor and Kalarba, most of which is sourced.--Harrar 20:10, 05 November 2007 (GMT)
- A month later and you can add the events at Duro (i.e. everything in Balance Point), everything in Edge of Victory I, the invasion of the Remnant & Galantos, ExGal's destruction...will move on to the events of the Dark Tide duology next, as well as Boba Fett: A Practical Man next. This is a conclusive re-write (making use of every last scrap of detail available), so anything which is on the page will vanish.Harrar 18:10, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- User:Harrar/Workbench — that's as far as it's gotten now, and it won't realistically change until late May, when I have time to work on it again. Just to keep updates. Harrar 22:55, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
- Anyone who's observing this has probably guessed this is going nowhere. It's just I have none of the reference guides or anything, except NEGTC and the Sourcebook. So there's so much miniscule detail in the other Essential Guides, and I can't afford them, or work on this anymore. It is gargantuan. And I have failed. Harrar 11:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Invasion vs. War
Shouldn't this be Yuuzhan Vong War? --Imp 08:55, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- Good question. That would be a logical term, but I think that we'll get an idea of what they're calling it post-invasion in the Dark Nest trilogy. --SparqMan 16:34, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- Most articles refer to it as an invasion, and on a mass scale I find this as one big extermination, rather than a War. -- Riffsyphon1024 20:36, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)
- This WOC article refers to it as the Yuuzhan Vong War:
- In the aftermath of the Yuuzhan Vong War, Kyle Katarn went searching for clues about the Sith. He has yet to return. In response, Jan Ors and Jedi Master Mara Jade Skywalker have put together a crack team of heroes consisting of Alpha Blue agents and Jedi Knights to find Kyle. --Imp 09:49, 31 Jul 2005 (UTC)
In the Dark Nest trilogy, they seem to refer to it as the war with the Yuuzhan Vong, so it would appear that the Yuuzhan Vong War is the more common term. And Riffsyphon, all wars are mass exterminations. -- SFH 16:01, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Well, I also agree that this should be titled Yuuzhan Vong War instead of Yuuzhan Vong invasion. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:31, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- If there are no other objections, I will move it by the end of the day. -- SFH 18:41, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 18:47, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- If there are no other objections, I will move it by the end of the day. -- SFH 18:41, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- This page has been moved to the Yuuzhan Vong War. -- SFH 04:12, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Thank you again. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:18, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Given that the war was still the result of an invasion, why does it say the Vong are "self-exiled" in the outcome on the right hand box? Wouldn't it be more at expulsion, or repulsion, because exile implies that the Galaxy was their home, but the Yuuzhan Vong were extragalactic. 74.61.16.143 04:33, 11 January 2008 (UTC)cfossedal
Population
How many Yuuzhan Vong were there during the invasion? Supreme Overlord Shimrra once remarked that a third of the entire Warrior caste had been killed prior to the Fall of Coruscant. How many died? Well, the Star Wars galaxy on the other side lost 365 trillion people.
This is a very intersting question, can anyone answer it?? Brambo
About Canderous's encounter
I haven't actually played KOTOR myself, but assuming that was a coralskipper, what was it doing in the galaxy four millennia early? How could it possibly get that far ahead of the main fleet, or did the Vong decide to just wait around outside the Rim for 4000 years?Thanos6 00:13, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Also, how do we know that the coralskipper was piloted by a Vong? Maybe Yuuzhan'tar sent it as a scout ship to locate a possible safe haven for what would become Zonama Sekot? -- SFH 01:19, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Well, I'd say that the Vong sent ahead a scout ship, possibly similar to your theory, SFH. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 11:49, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- My guess? Screw up. The REALLY FRIGGING HUGE travel time means that even a slight miscalculation would have dropped a ship, or several, there thousands of years early
- Well, I'd say that the Vong sent ahead a scout ship, possibly similar to your theory, SFH. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 11:49, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
- Well, maybe the Vong were that extragalactic threat Traya was talking about, and Revan went there to eliminate it. Obviously, the invasion was only delayed, but at least for quite some time. Tulon 18:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
It could be fairly assumed the the Vong were waiting outside the galaxy and growing in numbers and strength for a very long time prior to their actual invasion. Since it's never actually stated when they actually arrived outside our galaxy, these events are possible. Also, Palpatine knew of the Vong. It would make sense that Revan held them at bay for a long time, then, eventually Vergere took over doing that after Rogue Planet. It would be nice if all of these events were linked together in some sort of continuity sometime in the future. It would also be badass if there was a game featuring Revan and the Vong.Zadi 13:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
Images?
This article definitely needs a nice big pic on top. I really like [[media:Vongtakecoruscant.jpg|this one]], but there seems to be some disagreement. If anyone has a suggestion, I can probably track down just about any pic that's been put out there. - CooperTFN
- I think it's a little too big. Plus, you can barely tell that those are Vong on the picture. At first glance, I thought they were Zabrak. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:07, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Seeing as that's fanart, we can't use it. There's a good pic of Coruscant burning from the NJO Sourcebook - there's also a pic of the Battle of Dantooine in there that could be used as a secondary image - Kwenn
- That Coruscant pic is the one that's already being used on the page for that battle, isn't it? I would've thought fan art would be preferable for something like this given copyright issues. I'll take a look through the Sourcebook stuff. - CooperTFN
- Why would we use fanart here anyway? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:12, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- A good pic is a good pic, isn't it? But hey; I'm new to this. I defer to your judgement. - CooperTFN
- Here's another from the Sourcebook. Nice, but I dunno if it really ancapsulates the entire war. There's also this one by LFL artist Matt Busch. - Coop
- Okay, the first one has nothing to do with the war despite that they were all participants, and the second one only involves one battle. Now, I think that we shouldn't really even have a picture on this page. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:58, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- What about the New Essential Chronology pic of Luke vs. Shimrra? Thanos6 06:31, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Well, when you have a large war, only one picture won't do. You'd probably have to have a picture for most of the major events during the war. Just that picture alone really isn't describing the war as a whole. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:51, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- No point in trying really. If you find a good pic, add it in a place that seems appropriate, and if someone really dislikes it, they can take it down.
- Well, when you have a large war, only one picture won't do. You'd probably have to have a picture for most of the major events during the war. Just that picture alone really isn't describing the war as a whole. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:51, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Why would we use fanart here anyway? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:12, 1 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- How about the image of the Battle of Dantooine as a start? It really seems to represent the chaos of the War to me. -- SFH 16:59, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- That Coruscant pic is the one that's already being used on the page for that battle, isn't it? I would've thought fan art would be preferable for something like this given copyright issues. I'll take a look through the Sourcebook stuff. - CooperTFN
- IIRC from old discussion, it's preferable to use "canon artwork", but where none is available, copyright-free fan art can be used. --SparqMan 17:13, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- That picture of Dantooine is from the New Jedi Order Sourcebook, or so the image says. -- SFH 17:17, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Seeing as that's fanart, we can't use it. There's a good pic of Coruscant burning from the NJO Sourcebook - there's also a pic of the Battle of Dantooine in there that could be used as a secondary image - Kwenn
Say, can someone please tell me where the images with the troopers and the X-Wings are from? They seem to be out of the same book, but there's no source given. Tulon 18:00, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
- I think they are from a Sourcebook, but I'm not sure exactly from which one. Snoop 12:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Could someone please tell me the source of these 2 images? File:HidingFromTheVong.jpg File:UnknownVongBattle.jpg
New "Rebel Alliance"
I'd like to see some discussion of the shift in tactics used by the NR, the introduction of the "new" Alliance", etc. --SparqMan 08:30, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- "New Rebel Alliance"? What do you mean by that? Admiral J. Nebulax 12:40, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- I believe SparqMan is refering to the Insiders, the group that was formed during the Enemy Lines Duology. Or he might be refering to the Galactic Alliance. I admittedly have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to the NJO, and my area of expertise is The New Jedi Order: Destiny's Way and everything after that. -- SFH 20:02, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
- Oh. I myself only read the first three books of the series. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:11, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Top Heavy
The article seems really top heavy, getting into the origins in great detail and ignoring the meat of the war. People who have read the later books need to step up and add something, fleshing it out.
Other references
There's already lists of devestated planets, battles, and characters (which by the way I had to add to obscenely). How about a ship list, links to lists of technology, etc?
- If others think there's a need to it. The only thing I see really necissary is the list of battles. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:22, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
Devastated Planets
Should Duro really be on there? It was actually made habitable again. I'd say the orbiting cities were devastated, and thats where all of the inhabitants actually lived. Aside from those who worked at the plants on the surface and later the refugees, of course. S W Is For Life 00:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
Devastated doesn't necessarily mean permanently uninhabitable, otherwise most of the list shouldn't be on there e.g. Coruscant, Hutt Space, Muunilinst.
New Plympto should be added, possibly Talfaglio.
On the other hand - why are Myrkr and Obroa-Skai on the list? The respective articles don't mention either planet being devastated, only occupied. (Maybe someone is mixing up the Yuuzhan Vong War with the earlier bombardment of Obroa-Skai in the Rogue Squadrom comics... or was it the Heir trilogy...)
SW killers
The Yuuzhan Vong destroyed Star Wars.......
- Please keep opinions to yourself and not post them on Talk Pages. TheNewDarthMalevlent(The Sith shall rise to power!) 23:10, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
Sorry They really did... anything that takes place after the original trilogy should be redone. Just My opinion. ;)
- My opinion too, just think of Palpatines clones, what a bullsh*t :)
Chewie's a commander?
How's Chewbacca a commander? I thought he was killed before the war really started.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 16:09, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
- Along those same lines, why is Kyle Katarn listed as a commander? He didn't do a whole lot in the war, other than participate alongside large groups of Jedi in major conflicts; Corran Horn and Kyp Durron, for example, were far more instrumental than he, in my opinion.
New dates
Because of the retcon, should i just move all the battles that occurred in 30 ABY back to 29 ABY or do other dates on other battles in other years need to be changed as well? Tarvin Calaan 03:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
What retcon? I see no sources, and the books clearly state that the war ended in 30 ABY.--DarkJoker 18:46, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
The novels say it ended in 30 ABY, but it didn't canonically. It was moved back to 29 ABY after the NJO finished I think. I reckon (Calaan) that we move all the 30 ABY battles back to 29 ABY, but don't push the 29 ABY ones back, otherwise the whole war gets pushed back to 24 ABY. Btw DarkJoker, you've made a load of edits which, as I've said in the article (at the top) and in this dicussion page, are going to be voided when I transfer my conclusive FA version across. When I get halfway through, I'll put a work in progress sign at the top to make things more clear, but I wouldn't bother spending a lot time writing up this article.Harrar 18:18, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Where/when was this retconned, who did it and why? I'm not doubting you, Harrar, I'm just curious. This is totally news to me, especially since I didn't realize the timeline of the war was in need of being corrected in the first place. Yikes. I'm really unhappy about that, since the books themselves make it quite clear how long the war was.--DarkJoker 22:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
- Ya, the retcon is pretty lame. I don't know who changed it or why they changed it. But, alas, canon is canon. I fixed all the dates on the Timeline of the Yuuzhan Vong War page and also greatly expanded the article. I'm pretty sure I got everything right. P.S. I' like to know what the reason behind the retcon was as well, if anyone knows. Tarvin Calaan 03:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
- Heck, I'd just like to see a source.--DarkJoker 16:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Two Invasions?
Since there are 2 invasions, shouldn't there be 2 separate pages, one for the first, one for the second? 70.16.168.105 22:49, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
CSA Involvement
Does anyone have any information about the Corporate Sector Authority during this war? What did the CSA do during this war? -- Frank V Bonura - The Bane of Revisionism 02:31, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
- The Corporate Sector Authority page notes they were cut off from the rest of the galaxy by the Vong invasion corridor, so I'd imagine they just hunkered down for the duration. Dangerdan97 23:49, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
added admiral to ackbar
i dont know why, just sounds kind of better that way--70.253.81.63 03:35, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
ssi-ruuk
shouldn't the Ssi-Ruuvi Imperium be in another column as they werent allied with the other factions? Asdf1239 06:13, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
Dark Tide Battles
I just got finished reading The New Jedi Order: Dark Tide I: Onslaught, and I'm planning on making a few articles about a couple small battles which took place in the book and, as far as i can tell, don't already have articles. I just need help naming the articles. One battle between Urias Xhaxin's pirates and the Vong occurs in deep space. Should I just call it "Batle of deep space near Bastion"? That sounds a little wordy to me. Also, during the book the Yuuzhan Vong lay siege to Dubrillion. I would just call it "Siege of Dubrillion" but its never specifically referred to as a Siege in the book so i'm not sure if naming it as such would be canon. Just to clarify, i'm not talking about the Second Battle of Dubrillion (Yuuzhan Vong War) which occurs later in the book. This is a seperate event. Any help would be appreciated so I can get started. Thanks. Tarvin Calaan 19:21, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
The Palpatine Excuse
At the very best, that part of the article I deleted was mis-representing the facts. It was only later, under Thrawn, that efforts were made to prepare specifically for the Vong.
There is no evidence that Palpatine knew about the invasion. I deleted a part of this article saying that they were the reason that he created the empire. This has been debunked multiple times. Basically, Imperial officials saying that this is why Palpatine did what he did, is the same thing as making a horrible movie, and only calling it a satire after it flops. Unfortunately, this has been embraced by fans who like the Empire, despite Canon contradicting this view. Palpatine thinking "I'll take over the galaxy to save it from the vong" is FANON. (- -) 03:23, July 17, 2011 (UTC)
Applies to Battle pages relating to War
Just going through the major battles (i.e. the ones mentioned in novels) and noted that the Strength numbers on both sides are a complete mess. I think we need to get together and clean up every battle from Helska IV thru to Yuuzhan'tar that were in the novels only (the Essential Atlas battles aren't necessary) as its confusing and inaccurate in all areas.--Shannon, Jedi Knight (talk) 09:20, August 10, 2017 (UTC)
- I brought this up five years ago and have made the best efforts but it isn't enough. The battle pages are vastly inaccurate and require attention. As does the Yuuzhan Vong fleet make-up. - Noash Retrac (talk) 09:59, 21 March 2022 (UTC)