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Ysalamiri

  • The correct spelling for this is "Ysalamiri," as the article itself now reflects. Can anyone correct the title? I'd do it myself, but being fairly new to Wiki-ing, I'm not exactly sure how just yet. JSarek
    • Voila.--Eion 08:15, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
      • Technically 'Ysalamiri' is plural. A creature on it's own would be a 'Ysalamir'. --Beeurd 02:39, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
        • I moved it and then edited it so as to make use of both the plural and singular, thereby making the situation clear to the reader. – Aidje talk 04:22, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps a note on pronunciation. TTT had is as 'an ysalamir' IIRC211.30.75.248 11:28, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I always thought the correct name is "Ysalamiri" (vide: Star Wars Jedi Knight Mysteries of the Sith, when you picked one an in-game prompt was saying "You have found a Ysalamiri" or smth like that, you have found one creature not two or more)? Plural form? Shouldn't it be "Ysalamiries"?W4rb1rd (talk) 07:09, October 5, 2015 (UTC)W4rb1rd

Size

I changed the units to metric for consistency, but I'm confused about the original intent of the article. The original article stated that the average size was 0.5 meters, but then said "Adults could grow up to three to four feet." Do you mean that adults usually averaged between 3 and 4 feet (90-120cm), or that their maximum size was between 3 and 4 feet? If the former, maybe we should change the average in the chart. If the latter, couldn't we just say "could grow up to 4 feet (120cm)"? --Culix 05:37, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)

The ysalamir in the pictures I've seen, like the pics from this site, are well over 50 cm. —Unsigned comment by 67.167.198.74 (talk • contribs)

Nutrient cages

Zahn always specified the Ysalamiri were carried on nutrient cages. Why have artists consistently overlooked this? We have the Thrawn comics and the action figure and Wildlife of Star Wars with people just drooping them like stohls over their necks. Has any artist drawn them correctly with the cages?JustinGann 20:39, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

I think so. That and they are drawn way to large (in diameter). A creature as shown would be nearly impossible to carry all day as in the novels.--Will 06:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

How do vornskrs hunt Ysalamiri?

Think about it. Zahn created them to repel the Force. If so, how do vornskrs use the Force to hunt them? It's like you have a prey that is 100% invisible that you hunt visually.--Will 06:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Vornskrs started hunting the Ysalamir before they developed the ability to repel the force. Due to Darwin's Natural Selection theory, the Ysalamir naturally developed a way to counteract their predator's method of hunting. By creating a force-neutral bubble around them, they were able to hide from the Vornskrs' force sensitivity more easily. So first the Vornskrs developed force sensitivity to hunt their prey, and then afterwards the Ysalamirs developed the ability to hide from force sensitivity. I hope that clears things up. (Sirius Shadowflame 21:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC))

Not really. After all, you end up with the same problem. How do vornskrs hunt without the Force. If it is not available, they need something else and can't tell Force-sensative beings from non-Force-sensatives. Will (talk -- contribs) 19:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Sorry, I misunderstood the question. I think I get where you're coming from now. The Ysalamir wasn't the Vornskr's only prey. The Ysalamir just developed this ability in order to hide from their main predator. After this evolutionary change, you're probably right and the Vornskrs stopped hunting the Ysalamiri altogether. After all, all we know is that the Ysalamiri developed the force-neutral bubble in response to the Vornskrs' predation. We don't know if they even bothered hunting the creatures afterwards. Besides, even if the Vornkrs were to continue hunting the Ysalamiri, they would use their other more mundane senses (such as sight, smell, or hearing.) The Vornskrs aren't suddenly struck blind, deaf, and stupid when they enter a Force-neutral bubble. (Sirius Shadowflame 00:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC))
    • Likely that they use the Force to pick up the dark spots, since there's obviously dinner somewhere in that bubble, then use their eyes and nose to find the silly lizards.--LightWarden 04:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

That still leaves them unable to detect anything special about Luke and Mara. Yet clearly, they attack them and ignore other living beings. Almost like they are distracted from the creatures that normally serve as prey. Also, note the voxyn in The New Jedi Order: Star by Star seek out and destroy Ysalamiri. Will (talk -- contribs) 03:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

  • My understanding was that the Ysalamiri created 'holes' in the Force (I think Luke made a comment on this when he was faced with the jedi-trap in either Specter of the Past or Vision of the Future), and he had to try to 'see' by trying to detect the object that was creating the void by seeing the shape of the hole it left in the Force. Vornskrs hunt probably by detecting 'disturbances' in the Force, which is how Sirius Shadowflame's Natural Selection theory comes into play: the Ysalamiri that creates the greatest disturbance in the Force, gets eaten; the rest get better at hiding in their 'Force-holes'. When jedi show up, they 'shine' by comparison, which attracts the Vornskrs like sharks to blood. The Voxyn are 'custom-designed' by the Yuushan Vong, who probably increased their Force-sensory organs -to better guarantee that no jedi is able to 'hide' in the Force. Subsequently, with their Vong-enhanced sensory organs, they are better able to hunt their initial prey, Ysalamiri.Tocneppil 05:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Makes sense to me. With our combined Star Wars nerdiness, we have solved the mystery! (Sirius Shadowflame 16:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

Perhaps all this should be discussed in the article. Will (talk -- contribs) 17:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

  • No can do. As logical as the above description sounds, it's not from any canonical source and wouldn't be accepted as such. It would be deleated as conjecture. I would recommend tracking down the authors of the upcoming New Essential Guide to Creatures, or whatever the next big guide dealing with aliens is called, and ask them if the above description makes sense to them, because, ultimately their's will be the final word. I'm more than happy to keep it here.Tocneppil 17:45, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking of something about the lines of the speculation about how the Falcon can "make the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs". That is part of Millenium Falcon#Behind the scenes. See the first bullet which is something like the 2nd-3rd paragraph. —Unsigned comment by Will Pittenger (talk • contribs)

  • Well, the basis for my saying it would be deleted was the fact that it wasn't from any canonical source, which is important. But if you run this past one of the admins, perhaps they might allow something in 'Behind the scenes' -but I don't know if it'll fly without getting flack from some of the 'canon purists' out there.Tocneppil 04:59, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Is that how the 12 parsec discussion got in? Will (talk -- contribs) 19:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, I'm not certain about that, but the Admins have final say-so on stuff that should stay in. Then there are the diligent users who browse the 'Recent Changes' pages and check up on the latest changes against their own personal knowledge before deciding whether to revert or remove or correct an entry, they're probably the ones who are the most active/passionate about canonicity, which is why I'd recommend talking to an Admin first. Or you could start a forum at the 'Senate Hall' (sort of running the idea up the flagpole to see if anyone salutes).Tocneppil 21:57, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

How powerful of a force blocking ability do they have? Would someone wearing one be able to block force lightning from a Dark Lord of The Sith, or does it just mask the wearer from being remotely detected? —Unsigned comment by 67.170.189.37 (talk • contribs)

  • I suspect they're capable of repelling basically any Force-based attack, otherwise Thrawn wouldn't have seen so much value in them. Gonk (Gonk!) 13:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

furry?

The ysalamir look like big lizards, nothing "furry" about them to me.--70.179.177.142 00:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Heir to the Empire has them with fur. I think the image is wrong. Someone failed to tell the artist was they looked like. I had the impression they were like a skinny ferret, only longer. I should note that all renderings I have seen had them too large for several to occupy a frame that a person could carry around like a backpack. Will 03:15, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
    • People can make pretty huge backpacks.-LtNOWIS 03:24, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
      • I just looked at a panel of the comic adaption that shows them on the backpack, and they are that big.--Lord OblivionSith holocronSith Emblem 03:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

pronounciation

How is it pronounced? Is there any official way to say it? RC 2413 00:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

I always pronounced it "EE-sala-meeree"-Gimodon (May 10 2007)

Gila monster/iguana thingy

is it me or do these guys look like a four eyed Gila monster.Derekproxy 01:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Inconsistencies

Should the inconsistencies in the treatment of ysalimir be mentioned? In the Thrawn Trilogy, the ysalamiri merely negated the Force around them: Luke had no idea a ysalamir was present when Karrde captured him with one. However other novels show ysalamiri making Force-sensitives physically uncomfortable, if not outright ill (I, Jedi in particular makes note of this, when Luke and other experienced Force users were made disoriented and ill in the presence of a ysalamir, while Corran, who had until that point shown less reliance on the Force, was not). 97.91.122.74 14:49, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Different Species/Subspecies

I noticed that the images provided appear to show two different species (or more likely subspecies) based on the fact that the main image has them with visible ears, growths (possibly boney) on its back, clearly defined neck, 2 pairs of eyes, and thick noticeable lips, while the other has nearly uniform, smooth skin, what appears to be only a single pair of eyes, non-visible ears, almost no neck, no apparent lips, etc... Should this be mentioned alongside a possible 3rd species (or subspecies) that is "furry" or so I've heard about from the above mentioned conversation? Dark Ridley 00:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Field Growth?

How do Ysalamir fields expand to be "kilometres wide"? If a single Ysalamir's field expands up to 10 metres, then to span kilometres, you'd need a Ysalamir every 20 metres (so that the fields don't uselessly overlap), right? Or does putting two Ysalamir right next to each other somehow make a 20 metre field?

Also, you sure it's supposed to be "10 meters in radius"? Google tells me that 10 metres = 32.8 feet. That's quite a distance for a single creature, no?

Blackfire667 19:23, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

In Heir to the Empire it is explained that Ysalamiri reinforce each other's force neutral bubble, or help each other "push back" the Force. So the Force neutral bubble of a handful of Ysalmiri together would be dramatically larger than the same individual bubbles added together. DarthSideoftheMoon (talk) 14:10, July 31, 2012 (UTC)