Timeline
If you pay attention carefully, you can see that approx. 7 years pass through the beggining to the end of the book. So the book begins approx 7 years before Star Wars Rebels Season 3 and ends just before it. (9-2 BBY)—Unsigned comment by 189.83.249.151 (talk • contribs)
- It says right in the book that they "find" him only a few months after the end of the Clone Wars. The book starts in 19 BBY, or 18 at the very latest. It then runs through to sometime not too long before Rebels season 3 (which is 2 BBY). The book spans about 17 years, give or take a few months. — DigiFluid(Whine here) 22:19, April 25, 2017 (UTC)
- Actually, in Chapter 9 (p132) Thrawn refers to "Grand Moff Tarkin", and according to Chapter 7 this is approx. 18 months after Thrawn's graduation, which in turn in three months after the start of the book. So it can start at most a couple of years before the Tarkin novel, which is in 14 BBY. All they say in Chapter 1 is that it has been "several years" since the beginning of the Clone Wars, which is pretty vague. It definitely ends in 2 BBY though. --DarthEinstein (talk) 02:18, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
- If we include the informations we are given in Star Wars Rebels, we can be quite accurate. By 12BBY, Ezra Bridgers parents were found and taken away by the Empire, together with Ryder Azadi. We know, that he was at that time governor of Lothal. In Chapter 19 Tarkin talkes with Arihnda Pryce about the soon vaccant governorship of lothal. She askes suprised, if governor Azadi is retiring. Tarkin promises to designating Pryce as acting governor of Lothal and, withhin a period of a few months up to a year, to granting her the full title. Hence, this happens around 12 BBY. Some later at the same chapter, it is mentioned that Eli Vanto is serving nearly four years with Thrawn. At Thrawn's promotion to commodore (still Chapter 19), Tarkin mention Governor Arihnda Pryce. We can conclude, that Thrawn was found by the Empire between 16 BBY (if Pryce became governor fast) and 15 BBY (if it really took her a year).—Unsigned comment by 93.221.251.63 (talk • contribs)
- Actually, in Chapter 9 (p132) Thrawn refers to "Grand Moff Tarkin", and according to Chapter 7 this is approx. 18 months after Thrawn's graduation, which in turn in three months after the start of the book. So it can start at most a couple of years before the Tarkin novel, which is in 14 BBY. All they say in Chapter 1 is that it has been "several years" since the beginning of the Clone Wars, which is pretty vague. It definitely ends in 2 BBY though. --DarthEinstein (talk) 02:18, May 19, 2017 (UTC)
Topple appearance
Does anyone know where Topple is in the book, and are we sure this is a title or if it's just a word like toppling a dictator or to topple a glass of milk?--Vitus Infinitus (talk) 17:00, December 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Its either a person or a business, 'Whatever it is has to be a hundred steps up from waitressing at Topple's.' from chapter 14 and 'Well, you can stay with me for the moment. A little cramped, but we'll make do. Work-wise…well, you know what Topple's clientele is like, so you might not want to even consider it. But the server droids are always breaking down, so Walt's always hiring.' from chapter 11 --Lewisr (talk) 17:03, December 11, 2017 (UTC)
- Great found it, thanks!--Vitus Infinitus (talk) 17:15, December 11, 2017 (UTC)
Timeline (new)
I recently re-read the novel and discovered a more exact placement of the novel (at least, the first half before there's an undefined time-jump). Wookieepedia seems to consistently state that the novel starts in 13-11 BBY due to it's place on the Del Rey timeline, but what people ignored there is that the Del Rey timeline isn't based on actual timeline accuracy, it's based on the best reading order (the editor Tom has said this a million times on Twitter). So ignoring that, it's pretty easy to actually place it.
In Chapter 19, Ryder Azadi was recently arrested and is being removed as governor, which paves the way for Arihnda Pryce to take his place. The Rebels Visual Guide states that Ezra Bridger was seven years old when his parents were arrested, and the Rebels episodes Gathering Forces/Empire Day confirm that Azadi was removed as governor as a result of allowing the Bridgers to make their broadcasts. That means that Ryder has to be removed as governor any time from 12-11 BBY (after the Empire Day in 12 BBY and before the Empire Day in 11 BBY).
Almost exactly four years pass from the start of the novel to Chapter 19 (I could explain exactly how it breaks down but it's pretty self-explanatory, from the three-month one in Chapters 1-6, 18 months from 7 to 8, etc.) Since Chapter 19 needs to happen in 11 BBY at the latest, Thrawn must start in 15 BBY. This lines up perfectly with everything else as well: Vanto begins his Academy training 2 years and 9 months earlier (with three left at the start of the book) in 18 BBY, Tarkin is a Grand Moff in Chapter 9 (which is now in late 14 BBY, after Tarkin (Novel), and Ryder Azadi is arrested at the correct time.
I'm holding off on making the edit myself, partly because I know it would get reverted back unless it's discussed first and also because it's on more than just this page.Sam.jarron (talk) 22:40, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
Timelines
I think it is much more accurate to use the information in Star Wars: Timelines than the slightly contrived templates {{ThrawnNovelStartDate}} and {{ThrawnPryceMeetDate}}. I will be using Timelines information to update pages unless a valid argument can be presented against their use. ThrawnChiss7 
Assembly Cupola 23:34, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Those templates are based on the passage of time as defined by the novel itself. Timelines is the source that is mistaken Editoronthewiki (talk) 23:40, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Those templates only work with the information provided in Star Wars Rebels: The Visual Guide is correct, and as Timelines is more recent shouldn't we say the latest reference book has precedent? ThrawnChiss7
Assembly Cupola 23:51, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Timelines also dates the Bridgers' arrest to 12 BBY Editoronthewiki (talk) 23:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, but it also states that Ryder Azadi was arrested in 11 ABY, and as far as I'm aware, nothing prevents the Bridgers and Azadi's arrest from being a year apart. While Thrawn does state that "four years" pass between Chapter 1 and Chapter 19, it really could be 3.5 years, with the start of thrawn occurring in early 14 BBY and Azadi's arrest/Pryce's appointment to governer in late 11 BBY. This would match the novel and timelines, and even the Rebels visual guide due to the reasoning on Xurfel. ThrawnChiss7
Assembly Cupola 00:06, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- hmm, would be interested in more perspectives on this now that you raise that Editoronthewiki (talk) 13:41, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Hang on, where does it outright date azadi's arrest? I see on 11 bby that he was arrested "recently", but don't see a concrete "he was arrested in 11 bby." maybe i'm splitting hairs but still Editoronthewiki (talk) 14:05, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- You're right that it doesn't explicitly date azadi's arreest, it could have happened in 12 BBY. However, it does explicitly date Pryce becoming governor of Lothal, an event featured in Chapter 19, to 11 BBY. No source has actually dated the events of Chapter 19, only things that occur "recently" before it. Therefore, as Thrawn started 4 years before, it must have started in 15 BBY. Timelines does state it was 14 BBY, but it could have been 3.5 years, so Thrawn would have started in 14 BBY. Regardless of that, Chapter 19 firmly takes place in 11 BBY, and therefore Thrawn starts in 15 BBY, if the four years reasoning is used. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 21:02, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- But doesn't Ryder say he was sent to prison along with the Bridgers? I believe Timelines dates that to 12 BBY, so again the 4 years would be 16 BBY Lewisr (talk) 21:07, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Ryder could have been arrested and imprisoned in 12 BBY, but timelines dates Pryce's ascent to governorship to 11 BBY, an event that is featured in chapter 19 of Thrawn. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 21:11, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- The compromise I see is using Timelines date for when Pryce becoming governor of 11 BBY and still using the four year thing from the novel itself to state the book began c. 15 BBY Lewisr (talk) 21:16, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- The book started "approximately four years" before Chapter 19. As presented above, Thrawn could start in early 14 BBY, and 3.5 years later it is late 11 BBY, which would contradict no source. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 21:48, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- I don't see rationale for why we are saying 3.5 years? We should just stick with the approx 4 years and use c. 15 BBY Lewisr (talk) 21:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- In December 2023, an event that happened in Janary 2020 could still be "four years ago" despite not taking place four calander years before. It is possible for both Timelines and "four years" to be correct. If thrawn started three and a half years beofre 19, you could just round up to four and this would not be a contradiction, just rounding. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 22:01, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- If you look in the above section, it's stated that it's almost exactly 4 years from the start of the book to chapter 19, so using around 15 BBY as the starting point seems to also be the most accurate with the book itself. We shouldn't just dismiss this because a recent source book slightly got it wrong Lewisr (talk) 22:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- if the book takes place "around 15 BBY", then a hard date of 14 BBY is not a contradiction but a clarification. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 22:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- if the book takes place "around 15 BBY", then a hard date of 14 BBY is not a contradiction but a clarification. ThrawnChiss7
- If you look in the above section, it's stated that it's almost exactly 4 years from the start of the book to chapter 19, so using around 15 BBY as the starting point seems to also be the most accurate with the book itself. We shouldn't just dismiss this because a recent source book slightly got it wrong Lewisr (talk) 22:10, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- In December 2023, an event that happened in Janary 2020 could still be "four years ago" despite not taking place four calander years before. It is possible for both Timelines and "four years" to be correct. If thrawn started three and a half years beofre 19, you could just round up to four and this would not be a contradiction, just rounding. ThrawnChiss7
- I don't see rationale for why we are saying 3.5 years? We should just stick with the approx 4 years and use c. 15 BBY Lewisr (talk) 21:51, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- The book started "approximately four years" before Chapter 19. As presented above, Thrawn could start in early 14 BBY, and 3.5 years later it is late 11 BBY, which would contradict no source. ThrawnChiss7
- The compromise I see is using Timelines date for when Pryce becoming governor of 11 BBY and still using the four year thing from the novel itself to state the book began c. 15 BBY Lewisr (talk) 21:16, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- Ryder says "It was part of the reason I was accused of treason and sent to prison with them", which is pretty much saying the same time Editoronthewiki (talk) 00:31, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
- Ryder could have been arrested and imprisoned in 12 BBY, but timelines dates Pryce's ascent to governorship to 11 BBY, an event that is featured in chapter 19 of Thrawn. ThrawnChiss7
- But doesn't Ryder say he was sent to prison along with the Bridgers? I believe Timelines dates that to 12 BBY, so again the 4 years would be 16 BBY Lewisr (talk) 21:07, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
- You're right that it doesn't explicitly date azadi's arreest, it could have happened in 12 BBY. However, it does explicitly date Pryce becoming governor of Lothal, an event featured in Chapter 19, to 11 BBY. No source has actually dated the events of Chapter 19, only things that occur "recently" before it. Therefore, as Thrawn started 4 years before, it must have started in 15 BBY. Timelines does state it was 14 BBY, but it could have been 3.5 years, so Thrawn would have started in 14 BBY. Regardless of that, Chapter 19 firmly takes place in 11 BBY, and therefore Thrawn starts in 15 BBY, if the four years reasoning is used. ThrawnChiss7
- Yes, but it also states that Ryder Azadi was arrested in 11 ABY, and as far as I'm aware, nothing prevents the Bridgers and Azadi's arrest from being a year apart. While Thrawn does state that "four years" pass between Chapter 1 and Chapter 19, it really could be 3.5 years, with the start of thrawn occurring in early 14 BBY and Azadi's arrest/Pryce's appointment to governer in late 11 BBY. This would match the novel and timelines, and even the Rebels visual guide due to the reasoning on Xurfel. ThrawnChiss7
- Timelines also dates the Bridgers' arrest to 12 BBY Editoronthewiki (talk) 23:55, 27 April 2023 (UTC)
- Those templates only work with the information provided in Star Wars Rebels: The Visual Guide is correct, and as Timelines is more recent shouldn't we say the latest reference book has precedent? ThrawnChiss7
- Final thoughts: Thrawn begins "nearly four years" before the events of Chapter 19, which as discussed above, takes place in 11 BBY Timelines also states that the novel begins in 14 BBY. I am of the opinion that Timelines is correct, but a placement of "in 15 BBY" would be fine with me. However, saying the book takes place "around 15 BBY" makes no since because 14 BBY is around 15 BBY. I would love to hear others opinions, so the template can be changed to reflect consensus. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 00:58, 9 May 2023 (UTC)
- Then I must object to your current change and suggest we say it started in 15 BBY. We shouldn't just dismiss what the story itself says, Timelines made some errors, it's not unreasonable this was just another of those Lewisr (talk) 20:02, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- The current version works fine with me, I wanted you opinions and I waited a week. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 20:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- The current version works fine with me, I wanted you opinions and I waited a week. ThrawnChiss7
- ThrawnChiss, you have yet to give an argument against the Ryder point above Editoronthewiki (talk) 20:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- "With" doesn't necessarily mean the exact same time, but either way it's not a contradiction regarding the date of chapter 19. In 12 BBY, the Bridgers get arrested, and in 11 BBY Pryce is promoted to governor because of their arrest (per Timelines). As chapter 19 features Pryce's promotion, it is in 11 BBY and the start of the book is in 15 BBY. ThrawnChiss7 Assembly Cupola 20:23, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- Very well, I would be willing to accept that logic. I just wanted a response. You can revert my edit to the date note, and note in the revision I gave permission to revert it. Editoronthewiki (talk) 20:25, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- "With" doesn't necessarily mean the exact same time, but either way it's not a contradiction regarding the date of chapter 19. In 12 BBY, the Bridgers get arrested, and in 11 BBY Pryce is promoted to governor because of their arrest (per Timelines). As chapter 19 features Pryce's promotion, it is in 11 BBY and the start of the book is in 15 BBY. ThrawnChiss7
- Then I must object to your current change and suggest we say it started in 15 BBY. We shouldn't just dismiss what the story itself says, Timelines made some errors, it's not unreasonable this was just another of those Lewisr (talk) 20:02, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- Well, folks, we're back, again! Star Wars: Dawn of Rebellion: The Visual Guide also uses 14 BBY. Do we want to admit defeat Editoronthewiki (talk) 16:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)