Adultery! Fornication! And much, much, more!
So, did Tenel and Jacen go through some sort of formal marriage contract, or have they become the first couple in the Star Wars Universe to have a child out of wedlock? Not that there's anything wrong with that, mind you. I know that in TJK, the Hapan commander refered to Jacen as Tenel's new consort, but I was just assumed that the commander was misinformed. -- SFH 00:56, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- It's very specifically pointed out in TUQ that they're not married. CooperTFN 08:05, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- I've been aware of that now for some time, but thanks anyway. But I wonder: Will the girl's iligitmacy have an impact on her legal claim to the Hapan throne? -- SFH 01:29, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
- Probably not, I'd say. Men aren't very important in Hapan society, so it probably makes little difference whether Tenel Ka bothered to marry the father of her heir. 68.47.234.131 15:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
- The question you should really be asking is will her Jedi heritage have an impact on her legal claim to the Hapan throne? The Hapans are very anti-Jedi. Read their history to see why. So far the only Force-sensative Queen Mothers have been from one Force-sensative and one non Force-sensative parent. Will the Hapans accept a ruler with two Jedi parents? And if not, what will Tenel Ka do?--144.92.215.78 20:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)User:Kyp-Durron
Year of birth question
On page 260 of Dark Journey, Ta'a Chume and Isolder are talking about Jaina, and Jaina is described as "a bit younger, actually" than Tenel Ka. So if Jaina is born in 9 ABY, shouldn't Tenel Ka also be 9 ABY, or possibly 8? 10 would be impossible. (I don't know whether her age was specifically stated, in absolute terms or relative to others, in the YJK series, but the line from DJ suggests that 10 ABY is an error and her year of birth should be 9.) -- 11thGuard 10:28, 07 Jan 2006 (CST)
That I want to know as well, and 10ABY is right. DJ was in error as far as I know. the YJK books stated Tenel Ka being 1 year younger than the Solokids. I just need the exact quote and proof for that. Please if anybody can help me there, it would be great. thx
- Cunningham might simply have made a mistake in saying that Jaina was younger in Dark Journey, like when Allston said Zekk was younger than Jaina in Betrayal. Sword of the sith 02:22, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- I read the YJK books and there is not mention of Tenel Ka's age What so ever. —Unsigned comment by 99.141.244.95 (talk • contribs)
Name question
Is Ka considered Tenel Ka's last name? I've always thought Tenel Ka is a name similar to, say, Mary Sue and that TK has a separate last name altogether (possibly Djo, as her mother), if any. But at least all the category links treat Ka as a last name. Answer, anyone? --Tinwe 10:58, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
- I believe her full name is Tenel Ka Chume Ta' Djo. I'm not sure why the title of the article does not include it...
- Her full name is indeed Tenel Ka Chume Ta' Djo but I think she's not rather happy about it. She's only called this once (excerpt from YJK: Shadow Academy)
The ancient woman stood as they entered the room. "Welcome, Jedi Skywalker. And welcome great-granddaughter Tenel Ka Chume Ta' Djo." She embraced each of them in turn. Tenel Ka groaned. "Please," she said, "do not use my full name. And do not send word that we are here."--Nathalia Mueller 15:58, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
- It's still her full name, even if she doesn't like it. It should be the title of this article. 68.47.234.131 15:37, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. This really should be moved. Red XIV 00:02, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- Technically, if she abandoned the name and made her name just Tenel Ka, it really shouldn't be moved. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk)
00:32, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
- Did she actually formally change her name, or is it just that she prefers to be referred to by her first name only? If it's the latter, her name is still Tenel Ka Chume Ta' Djo. Red XIV 22:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
- Most materials list her simply as Tenel Ka, though...
- Chume Ta' is a Hapan royal style. Translated, her full name means "Tenel Ka, first born daughter of Queen Mother Djo". StarNeptuneTalk to me! 00:19, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Would this imply a switch back to just Tenel Ka? - Breathesgelatin 03:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Since there seems to be a controversy over what to call her, I say keep it as it is, but maybe mention it in the BTS. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 13:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- Would this imply a switch back to just Tenel Ka? - Breathesgelatin 03:43, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
- The name of the article almost certainly needs redone: Chume Ta' is a Hapan royal title denoting Tenel Ka's status as Crown Princess: as far as I know, it's not clear that she bore this title from birth, and she certainly ceases to be Chume Ta' when she becomes Queen Mother (in The New Jedi Order: Destiny's Way).
- So replace it with her full title as Queen Mother? Well, the problem there is that there's some uncertainty whether the full style of the reigning Mother actually is.... Chume or Ta'a Chume? And it's also possible that we should prefix her name with Erenada ("She who has no equal", the Hapan equivalent of (Her) Majesty): but Erenada Tenel Ka Ta'a Chume Djo is probably a bit silly as a page title, to say nothing of the fact there's no clear canon evidence to say if it's right or not...
- So, what then? Well, Teneniel Djo and Isolder simply appear under their given names, so we should probably go with Tenel Ka or Tenel Ka Djo. --McEwok 03:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
- The article was recently moved. Was this based on something in Insider 90, or just on the discussion on this page? - Breathesgelatin 03:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- What happened is that McEwok tried to move it, but did it in such a way that the page history was gone. I fixed it, but I don't agree with the move. It should have been discussed here first. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 07:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Ah ha. Is she referred to anywhere as Tenel Ka Djo? I think the move may have been unwarranted, also. - Breathesgelatin 14:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Me too. But to get back to the original point, "Ka" is to be considered a part of her first name and not a last name, right? So, she should be categorized like this: [[Category:Hapans|Djo, Tenel Ka]], or if she is moved back to Tenel Ka, just [[Category:Hapans]] (and not like this: [[Category:Hapans|Ka, Tenel]]). A minor thing, I know, but they tend to irritate me the most. ;) --Tinwe 14:24, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Ah ha. Is she referred to anywhere as Tenel Ka Djo? I think the move may have been unwarranted, also. - Breathesgelatin 14:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- What happened is that McEwok tried to move it, but did it in such a way that the page history was gone. I fixed it, but I don't agree with the move. It should have been discussed here first. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 07:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry if the move upset anyone!! *blushes* I waited more than a month after posting my 11th August comments above, and since there was no further input, I decided to move the page on my own initiative (though admittedly, my view had been modified somewhat in the interim - see below!). I am sorry if I did anything rash, though, and particularly because I didn't move it right—thanks for fixing this, StarNeptune!
- As to calling her "Tenel Ka Djo", my reasons were: (a.) this is the form used on the pages for Teneniel Djo and Augwynne Djo; and (b.) The full name Tenel Ka Chume Ta' Djo implies that she does use the Djo surname.
- That said, I don't have a rigid opinion that the page should stay at Tenel Ka Djo at all. In the end, I couldn't find any explicit canon support for the Unofficial Encyclopedia's translation of Chume Ta', and I've not been able to find a canon reference to confirm that Tenel Ka Chume Ta' Djo means "Tenel Ka, first born daughter of Queen Mother Djo", which would obviously change things slightly.
- Again, sorry for any upset or confusion caused—I'm just here to try to help!! --McEwok 03:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
What Hapaned (pun intended) to this debate? I think she should be moved to the full name because YJK calls her that.Conner itsatrap (talk) 19:02, December 21, 2013 (UTC)conner_itsatrap
Infobox color
I don't really object to having the Jedi infobox for her (because she was a part of the Jedi Order), but she resigned and her primary affiliation is now the Hapes Consortium. I guess this box will have to do until we decide to whether or not to clump her in with the Political/GFFA/Neutrals. StarNeptune 06:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
- I suppose that the Hapes infobox was a good call overall, but we will see what the future holds for Tenel Ka. The Dark Nest Trilogy gave me the feeling that Tenel Ka's hold on the throne is more precarious than she let on. But then again, I also thought that Allana was going to be named Padme, so what do I know? -- SFH 01:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- Given how ruthless Jacen is in protecting Tenel Ka and Allana, he might end up just killing all of her rivals for power. 71.236.33.191 05:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
Marked for death
How do we even know that the Hapans marked her for death because she wouldn't secede? Bloodlines hasn't even come out yet. 207.200.116.196 01:15, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
It has now. And she will be marked for death by the Hapans and Jacen Solo. User:Zinnos
- I hope they don't succeed in killing her and Allana, I like Tenel Ka...but it is an interesting story line. RushinSundaws 20:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
- I've kind of got to dispute that Jacen is actively planning on hunting them down, at least for the moment. The last we saw, hoping that he was wrong. I think he's guessed that he may, but it was left just at that. DawnStrike 11:31, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
- Well, with Denning's new interveiw concerning Tempest, Jacen would never sacrifice Allana. So I wonder what this means? User:Zinnos
- Well Maybe Tenel Ka is the only person in danger, or maybe there'll be a new twist that hasn't been hinted at yet. What if he killed Jania? (Just Speculation)
DawnStrike 17:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
New Picture
Anyone want the new cover picture for the main image? -Razzy1319 05:14, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
- If we can get a high res version then yes, it should go in the infobox. For now, however, it's too low quality for that. QuentinGeorge 06:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
- The picture should be one from NJO, but not the one already on the site. The pictures arnt the best and dont do her justice.
More pictures
The article will look better if it had more pictures
- Do we really need half of those images? They all look almost exactly the same. Keep the first four and last two, but the middle three are utterly redundant - Kwenn 21:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I just see no reason to delete them really...if you look, they all have minor differenes showing Tenel Ka as she ages along in the books...plus the page just looked so barren before, and I love images and think that the more we can have, the better, as they do no real harm to the article. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Those middle ones don't show age progression. The first and third look exactly the same, but the second one appears younger, and doesn't really look like Tenel - Kwenn 21:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know if I'm seeing things or not then, but I do notice some small differences through each of these pictures. Additionally, though the second one may look younger to you, it is still Tenel Ka at a different stage of her life, and so it's possible to assume that she in fact ages strangely, appearing younger then older again, and so the image is the only real way to explain it. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Or sloppy artistry. Regardless of minor cosmetic details, they're all far too similar. Surely we can replace them with other images, or perhaps larger versions, including more characters, to at least add some variety? As of now, it looks just as bland as it would without images - Kwenn 21:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well we can't replace them with other images, as there quite literally aren't any others, as I found while trying to look for more. We could include other characters from the covers, but that may include the text from the book itself or random other images that just plain wouldn't look right. Like I said, I just see no reason to delete them as they actually make the page look far better (at least at my resolution) than having less images. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I have to agree that they all look too similar. I think we should get rid of at least two of them. -- Ozzel 21:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that some of them should go. Perhaps create a gallery if you wnat to keep them on the site. If you feel that pictures are required for those sections, I suggest we be a bit more creative with some relevant pics that are not necessarily of TK. --Eyrezer 04:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've reverted it again, this time purely because the editor took no effort to make the pictures fit well together. If this can be done, and providing nobody else believes we need these images, I won't revert again. It just needs to look good. :) —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 23:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- How does that look? I left in two of the face pics, but spaced them out. I think the Who's Who pic is too long but will leave that for the mo. --Eyrezer 01:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- The only problem I have now (other than that I liked them all :P) is that the pictures from the covers of Lightsabers and The Lost Ones are the wrong way around, chronologically so they should be changed around. I think I'll shove the rest in a gallery. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 01:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- How does that look? I left in two of the face pics, but spaced them out. I think the Who's Who pic is too long but will leave that for the mo. --Eyrezer 01:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
- I've reverted it again, this time purely because the editor took no effort to make the pictures fit well together. If this can be done, and providing nobody else believes we need these images, I won't revert again. It just needs to look good. :) —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 23:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- I agree that some of them should go. Perhaps create a gallery if you wnat to keep them on the site. If you feel that pictures are required for those sections, I suggest we be a bit more creative with some relevant pics that are not necessarily of TK. --Eyrezer 04:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
- I have to agree that they all look too similar. I think we should get rid of at least two of them. -- Ozzel 21:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Well we can't replace them with other images, as there quite literally aren't any others, as I found while trying to look for more. We could include other characters from the covers, but that may include the text from the book itself or random other images that just plain wouldn't look right. Like I said, I just see no reason to delete them as they actually make the page look far better (at least at my resolution) than having less images. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Or sloppy artistry. Regardless of minor cosmetic details, they're all far too similar. Surely we can replace them with other images, or perhaps larger versions, including more characters, to at least add some variety? As of now, it looks just as bland as it would without images - Kwenn 21:23, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know if I'm seeing things or not then, but I do notice some small differences through each of these pictures. Additionally, though the second one may look younger to you, it is still Tenel Ka at a different stage of her life, and so it's possible to assume that she in fact ages strangely, appearing younger then older again, and so the image is the only real way to explain it. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Those middle ones don't show age progression. The first and third look exactly the same, but the second one appears younger, and doesn't really look like Tenel - Kwenn 21:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- I just see no reason to delete them really...if you look, they all have minor differenes showing Tenel Ka as she ages along in the books...plus the page just looked so barren before, and I love images and think that the more we can have, the better, as they do no real harm to the article. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 21:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
There are other images if you google those are really bad pictures of Tenel Ka. They make her look ugly when she is supposed to be hot.
The article looks great now thanks
Spoilers
What exactly is so spoilerish for this page? There's nothing on here that hasn't come either from released books or released book summaries. Kuralyov 20:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
There are a lot of spoilers now. So it is good that a spoiler warning has been posted on this page. User:Zinnos
Yes. That may be true, however there are no spoilers on the page right now. I believe that the spoiler warning should be removed until spoilers are actually there. But that is just my oppinion. 20:02, 15 January 2007 LeiaSolo900
Marked for death
neither tenel ka nor allana were marked for death by jacen in tempest he actually goes to great lenghts to protect both of them the only people he tries to kill are his parents. 69.26.85.17 01:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Yah I noticed that too. I thought I might have missed something, I guess not, because as far as I can see, he does try to protect them to the point where he does his best not to think about them to help keep them safe. LeiaSolo900 3 May, 2007
Parentage of Allana
When do you guys think that Tenel Ka will finally tell the Solo/Skywalker clan that Jacen is Allana's father? Because with a series moving as fast as Legacy, you'd kinda expect that the secret will come out sooner or later.--Jedi Kasra 03:44, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
Pronounciation
How do you pronounce Tenel Ka's surname - Djo? - Jaina Leia MaraJedi Knight
- Not being an authority on the Dathomiri Language I'd hazard a guess that it's a silent 'D' and it sounds like Joe.Darth Balls 07:05, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
- Or D-Jo maybe. -Fnlayson 22:39, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought it was D-Jo... - Jaina Leia MaraJedi Knight
- Yeah, I've always pronounced it with the D sound barely noticeable because I run it together with the J sound. - JMAS 20:33, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Darth Shae Murtiyia 03:24, September 5, 2010 (UTC)I just never say it, but i think it would sound like 'dujo'.
- I always thought it was 'duh-joe'. --The Lampshade... (talk) 22:31, November 6, 2012 (UTC)Lamp774
is she a master?
i noticed that in the essential guide to the force it says that tenel ka is a jedi master( the photo on page 103) is that a typo or was she given mastery?
- Not seen that in of the novels. She stepped down from the Order during Swarm War in 36 ABY. -Fnlayson 21:12, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
- Though, Skywalker said she'd be welcome back if she was able. Jacen may take retribution against the Hapes Consortium for her betrayal. Then she may not have a kingdom to rule over.Darth Balls 01:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
- Right. But my point was about not actively doing Jedi training (no Master or others to work with, etc). -Fnlayson 19:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Don't remember the book, i'll update when i find the quote, but in one of them it says that she still trains with her lightsaber (think Allana is the quote... so Sacrifice?). Again i'll update as soon as i find the quote.Darth Balls 22:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Right. But my point was about not actively doing Jedi training (no Master or others to work with, etc). -Fnlayson 19:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
- Though, Skywalker said she'd be welcome back if she was able. Jacen may take retribution against the Hapes Consortium for her betrayal. Then she may not have a kingdom to rule over.Darth Balls 01:17, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
Image captions
O.K. Fisrt off, is the image of Tahiri Veila really necessary? And second, in the image depicting Han and Leia Solo, the caption says, "Tenel Ka's parents-in-law". Since Jacen and Jaina never married, they wouldn't be her parents-in-law--Jedi Kasra 01:58, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
I agree. There is no need for the Tahiri image, and I've removed the parents-in-law thingy. Though I think the Han and Leia image should also be removed. 
Darth Greig (Talk) 03:54, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
And the image of Lumiya. There's no point to them. Darth Nikolai 07:01, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
I think we should remove the quote about Redemming people after all it does not make sense Vader Did not want to be redemmed if he did then he would have turned back to the light sooner.--AnakinSol 19:49, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Rewrite
I noticed that this page is listed as needing a complete rewrite and was wondering if anyone was currently working on this. If so I would like to help. If nobody is currently working on it could I possibly start? --S p a c e r 03:57, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
Is her likeness now based on Kate Beckinsale?
After rereading the new Atlas, I've noticed the image of Tenel Ka Djo reminds me an awful lot like British actress Kate Beckinsale, especiallyimages akin to this. Is there any word if this is official, or just the artist looking for a beautiful woman to model the Queen on?
InfinityKnight 16:02, November 22, 2009 (UTC)
Powers and abitlies
Will tenel ka ever get a powers and abilities section? —Unsigned comment by 72.22.124.129 (talk • contribs)
Age compared to Jaina Solo
So, I was a bit confused by the undoing of my change. To clear it up; It is stated by Isolder that Jaina Solo Fel is slightly younger than Tenel Ka. If Jaina Solo was born in 9 ABY, Tenel Ka can't have been born in 10 ABY, because that would definitely be after Jaina's birth. So Tenel Ka was either born in the same year as Jaina (9 ABY) or in the year before (8 ABY). Please don't undo my change again. Arozinos1 (talk)
One of the reasons your change was twice-reverted was because neither edit changed the reference used on the article. Thus, these changes are considered trying to insert unsourced information to Wookieepedia. All additions require referencing when adding to the site; that burden lies on the editor adding the information. What is used on the page right now is:
<ref name="Birth">Tenel Ka Djo was [[Reproduction/Legends|born]] after the events of ''[[The Courtship of Princess Leia]]'', which are dated to [[8 ABY/Legends|8 ABY]] by ''[[The Essential Reader's Companion]]''. It also dates ''[[Young Jedi Knights: Heirs of the Force]]'', when Tenel Ka was a student at the [[Jedi Praxeum|Jedi Acadmy]], to [[23 ABY/Legends|23 ABY]]. Since Tenel Ka was in her early teens when she first came to the Jedi Academy according to ''[[The New Essential Guide to Characters]]'', she was born no later than [[10 ABY/Legends|10 ABY]].</ref>
You'll need to replace that in the proper format with the logic proving the change and provide reasoning for why the current reasoning is incorrect before it won't be reverted for the same reason (unreferenced additions).—spookywillowwtalk 16:49, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Consular?
Hello, I was somewhat curious why she is labeled as a Jedi Consular, that is one of the categories she's listed under, if anything she was more Guardian unless I'm missing a source I'm not sure she'd be classed under either just by virtue of lack of source information, but I didn't want to remove it if there's something I'm missing. TroubledSnail17 (talk) 20:57, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- As this hasn't been replied to for awhile, noting here that I've removed it and left a note in the summary that whoever re-adds should source it. Thanks for pointing out!—spookywillowwtalk 23:52, 9 November 2024 (UTC)