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Here is a link to a picture of a Techno-service droid from The Clone Wars: Season Two. http://www.eucantina.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/droid.jpg 65.34.3.78 20:42, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- When we have confirmation from an official source, then it can go in the article. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 20:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- What confirmation do we need? It's clearly the same droid model as the webcomic. When you see a picture of a Stormtrooper you don't need official confirmation of what it is before using it in a stormtrooper article.Gry Sarth 20:53, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Because they are human beings with clearly marked and generic armor. These are droids. We don't know whether it's the same or a different model unless it's confirmed. CC7567 (talk) 21:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Alright then the next time I see a picture of a Clone trooper, I will assume it is really a Trandoshan wearing clone armor. There is no true confirmation. 65.34.3.78 22:19, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Precisely. If it looks exactly like a Techno-service droid, we assume it IS a Techno-service droid, unless it's officially proven otherwise. We don't wait around for Lucasfilms to add subtitles to every picture in existance saying "This guy in Stormtrooper armor is indeed a Stormtrooper, not a Trandoshan rebel infiltrator in disguise".Gry Sarth 22:28, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- You know, I have to agree with anon. This is clearly the same droid, the webcomic obviously used one of the models developed for the TV series. Come on, you know a droideka when you see one, don't you? MauserComlink 22:33, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Plus we know that every new design that the webcomic introduces appear soon afterwards in the TV series. This happened with the Hyena Bomber, Tactical Droid and many others. There's absolutely no reason to believe this droid is anything but a Techno-service droid. If no one has anything else against this, I'm moving ahead. Gry Sarth 23:14, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- On closer inspection, I'm tending to agree with you. However, when you say "unless no one objects..." and then just make the change, that is bad form. Clearly, there are some who disagree. So you should leave it for further discussion before just changing it back. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 23:18, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Well, if anyone DID object, they could just change it back. How long did Grand Moff Tranner wait for an objection before doing the undo in the first place? Gry Sarth 23:28, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- On closer inspection, I'm tending to agree with you. However, when you say "unless no one objects..." and then just make the change, that is bad form. Clearly, there are some who disagree. So you should leave it for further discussion before just changing it back. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 23:18, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Plus we know that every new design that the webcomic introduces appear soon afterwards in the TV series. This happened with the Hyena Bomber, Tactical Droid and many others. There's absolutely no reason to believe this droid is anything but a Techno-service droid. If no one has anything else against this, I'm moving ahead. Gry Sarth 23:14, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- You know, I have to agree with anon. This is clearly the same droid, the webcomic obviously used one of the models developed for the TV series. Come on, you know a droideka when you see one, don't you? MauserComlink 22:33, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Precisely. If it looks exactly like a Techno-service droid, we assume it IS a Techno-service droid, unless it's officially proven otherwise. We don't wait around for Lucasfilms to add subtitles to every picture in existance saying "This guy in Stormtrooper armor is indeed a Stormtrooper, not a Trandoshan rebel infiltrator in disguise".Gry Sarth 22:28, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Alright then the next time I see a picture of a Clone trooper, I will assume it is really a Trandoshan wearing clone armor. There is no true confirmation. 65.34.3.78 22:19, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- Because they are human beings with clearly marked and generic armor. These are droids. We don't know whether it's the same or a different model unless it's confirmed. CC7567 (talk) 21:44, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- What confirmation do we need? It's clearly the same droid model as the webcomic. When you see a picture of a Stormtrooper you don't need official confirmation of what it is before using it in a stormtrooper article.Gry Sarth 20:53, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
- I was unaware this had degraded into such a debate before making my own contribution to what is quickly becoming an unnecessary edit war. CC and JMAS are absolutely correct that, contrary to what Gry Sarth suggests, we don't just make assumptions that something is a certain way until canon proves otherwise. What we do do is not make assumptions and wait until canon does in fact verify whatever the matter may be. Considering JMAS himself had enough of a hand in uploading this image and confirms for us that there is no source that does confirm the droid in question as being this type of model, that's good enough for me for now to refrain from putting it in the article and asserting that it is the droid. Moreover, that there is enough hesitation and uncertainty from some our site's foremost TCW experts over the identity of the droid in this image, I'm removing it for now, and I strongly suggest we don't take this revert war any further than it has already gotten. Thank you. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:34, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- *Sigh* Okay, point taken, let's stop reverting each other and talk about it then. How do we know this is an image of a holocron? No official source had confirmed that it isn't just any random cube. How do we know this guy is a Caamasi? Sure, he looks like one, but we have no official confirmation. How do we know this is a B2 super battle droid commander? He may look like one, but what he isn't? If something looks like a bantha, sounds like a bantha and smells like a bantha, do we need an official source to come and say "Okay, this is a bantha"? And seriously, artistic licensee aside, the image in question looks exactly like the image from the webcomic. What's the problem with all this? MauserComlink 02:08, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- The image being official is not what's in question here. It is official - IGN is an established site for having press release images. What is in question is what type of droid this is and while yes, it does look virtually identical to the techo-service droid, until we see something official actually call it a techno-service droid, we cannot make the assumption. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 03:18, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- *Deep sigh* If something looks "virtually identical" to a droideka, what else can it be other than a droideka? MauserComlink 03:24, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- As to the holocron, we know Bane was hired by Sidious to steal a Jedi holocron and there is an episode of Season Two titled The Holocron Heist. That's how we know what it is. But I see you argument and I do agree with you. I'm 100% certain it is the same type of droid. Let's just be patient. I'm sure it won't be long before something official names the droid type at which point, assuming this one gets deleted as being unused, I'll re-upload it. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 03:29, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- No, the official names are the other thing. The droid has a designation, which won't be revealed until the next visual guide probably, so we just stick with the current name for now, that's OK. But why not use the image if it better depicts a droid of the same class - I cannot understand. Look at other promo images that were released yesterday: It looks like a Skrilling, but maybe it's not a Skrilling? It looks like the Jedi Archives, but maybe it's not? This is really absurd. MauserComlink 03:34, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- I believe Mauser made the point abundantly clear. There are countless images being used on this site that have not been "officially confirmed" to be what they are. But we accept that if something looks exactly like something we've seen before, then it is the same thing. We don't need a label to know a chair is a chair. It's not speculation, it's just basic human response. If an image of Cad Bane is released we don't wait for official confirmation, even though it could very well be his evil twin brother we don't yet know anything about.Gry Sarth 08:14, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- I'm frankly just getting tired of watching this come up in my watchlist over and over. Either we wait for the actual episodes to come out or we change the image now, but this extravagant debating hasn't and isn't going to go anywhere. Judging right now, no one's opinions are going to change anytime soon, and hammering away at this isn't going to do any good. I personally believe that it's better to wait for it to be confirmed, but I'm not going to stop either of you from changing the image back if it's going to mean more foolhardy edit warring. CC7567 (talk) 08:41, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- I believe Mauser made the point abundantly clear. There are countless images being used on this site that have not been "officially confirmed" to be what they are. But we accept that if something looks exactly like something we've seen before, then it is the same thing. We don't need a label to know a chair is a chair. It's not speculation, it's just basic human response. If an image of Cad Bane is released we don't wait for official confirmation, even though it could very well be his evil twin brother we don't yet know anything about.Gry Sarth 08:14, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- No, the official names are the other thing. The droid has a designation, which won't be revealed until the next visual guide probably, so we just stick with the current name for now, that's OK. But why not use the image if it better depicts a droid of the same class - I cannot understand. Look at other promo images that were released yesterday: It looks like a Skrilling, but maybe it's not a Skrilling? It looks like the Jedi Archives, but maybe it's not? This is really absurd. MauserComlink 03:34, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- As to the holocron, we know Bane was hired by Sidious to steal a Jedi holocron and there is an episode of Season Two titled The Holocron Heist. That's how we know what it is. But I see you argument and I do agree with you. I'm 100% certain it is the same type of droid. Let's just be patient. I'm sure it won't be long before something official names the droid type at which point, assuming this one gets deleted as being unused, I'll re-upload it. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 03:29, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- *Deep sigh* If something looks "virtually identical" to a droideka, what else can it be other than a droideka? MauserComlink 03:24, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- The image being official is not what's in question here. It is official - IGN is an established site for having press release images. What is in question is what type of droid this is and while yes, it does look virtually identical to the techo-service droid, until we see something official actually call it a techno-service droid, we cannot make the assumption. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 03:18, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- *Sigh* Okay, point taken, let's stop reverting each other and talk about it then. How do we know this is an image of a holocron? No official source had confirmed that it isn't just any random cube. How do we know this guy is a Caamasi? Sure, he looks like one, but we have no official confirmation. How do we know this is a B2 super battle droid commander? He may look like one, but what he isn't? If something looks like a bantha, sounds like a bantha and smells like a bantha, do we need an official source to come and say "Okay, this is a bantha"? And seriously, artistic licensee aside, the image in question looks exactly like the image from the webcomic. What's the problem with all this? MauserComlink 02:08, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
- Because there was some dissension about this, I would think a vote here under this heading would be warranted. I'd recommend using a gallery to display the two images to show how much alike they look. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 03:22, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- Come on, you know better than most how much we disapprove galleries. MauserComlink 03:25, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- I hope you're joking. Galleries are absolutely fine on a talk page for the purposes of a vote like this to show the comic image and the CGI image side by side. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 03:29, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- O-ops, didn't realize you meant talk page. Okay then... #MauserComlink 03:34, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- That was a great point you made about TC-14, JMAS. And thus I concede to waiting until the episode airs. It's all purely academic, of course, as it's obvious what the outcome will be, and nobody here really has any doubts that the pic is what it is.Gry Sarth 15:02, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- O-ops, didn't realize you meant talk page. Okay then... #MauserComlink 03:34, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- I hope you're joking. Galleries are absolutely fine on a talk page for the purposes of a vote like this to show the comic image and the CGI image side by side. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 03:29, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- Come on, you know better than most how much we disapprove galleries. MauserComlink 03:25, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
Image vote
File:Techno-service droid.png|Image from the webcomic File:Techno service droid.jpg|Image from an upcoming TCW episode Based on the similarity of the droid from a recently revealed TCW image to the droid previously shown in the TCW webcomic, it is proposed to use the new image im this article. Please leave your vote here. MauserComlink 03:34, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
Support
- MauserComlink 03:34, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- Haha, similarity? Is that what we're calling it now? Okay. 3PO looks similar to a golden protocol droid then. The Doctor K.(No I'm not really a doctor.) 03:37, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- It is a Techno-service droid, what else is there to be said?Gry Sarth 12:05, September 5, 2009 (UTC)
- This change in vote is not based off of a change in reasoning, but on new information presented in The Clone Wars: The Holocron Heist, which confirms that the picture in question does depict a techno-service droid. However, all this required was patience, not decision making that lacks reasoning. I'm going to be very disappointed if this is what we have to go through every time a new image is released. CC7567 (talk) 00:45, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
- Per CC. JangFett Talk 01:19, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
- No longer any opposition from me, and entirely per everything CC says. We should always take the time and effort as he did here to dig up unquestionable proof. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:23, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
- Per CC. Grunny (Talk) 01:25, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
- Per CC and Tope. —Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 01:29, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
- Per CC7567 - JMAS Hey, it's me! 02:17, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
Oppose
While I consider myself far from invested in this debate, I'm inclined to wait until we have something that officially confirms the droid in the picture is what we all want it to be. That being said, I hope we haven't all forgotten that there is a new "upcoming" TCW season, which I'm sure will answer all of our questions and more. Is it so much to ask to have a little patience instead of jumping the gun? Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:28, September 5, 2009 (UTC)Per Tope and what I've already stated. CC7567 (talk) 06:15, September 5, 2009 (UTC)Per Tope. Grunny (Talk) 06:19, September 5, 2009 (UTC)Is it a techno-service droid? Yes. Do I work for LucasFilm? No. Therefore a little patience is necessary. The picture isn't going anywhere. And unlike the species examples posed above, droids are somewhat different to identify. Without official notice, everyone would have thought TC-14 was a 3PO-series. They look identical, but they're not. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 12:09, September 5, 2009 (UTC)I agree with the comments above. It is too early to tell, but season two is near :) JangFett Talk 00:50, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
Okay, I add the image based on the established consensus and the new info from CC. MauserComlink 02:21, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
repulsorlifts?
what's the source for techno-service droids feet having repulsorlifts and not jet thrusters? (while clone wars adventures calls them repulsorlifts, it is a non-canon game) Ralphjedimaster 16:44, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
- CWA is canon very low low canon but canon (it is a Lucas Arts game). And until there is a different source stating that they do not use repulsorlifts, what is there should stay. Agent Cards<<Talk!>> 23:05, November 23, 2010 (UTC)
- i understand. but they still look to much like jets and not repulsorlifts. Ralphjedimaster 18:28, November 24, 2010 (UTC)