Talk: Slugthrower/Legends

Where was there a Slugthrower in Ep I? More beacuse im curious, than I don't believe you? --Kosure 13:26, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

• Weren't the Sand People firing potshots at podracers with a slugthrower rifle? Silly Dan 13:38, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I remember it having a red bolt that looked like a blaster shot, but I don't want to get up and check the movie. What about the chainguns in Battlefront II, though? -- Darth Oosha 68.44.13.236 07:03, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
• Yeah, it was the Tuskens. Is it okay to put that much info in the appearances section? I had the impression that we were only supposed to put a bullet list, but that seems quite limiting. – Aidje _talk 17:45, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
• I think we should be able to write specifics in the Appearances sections, because else when we IU, we lose some oou detail. --Fade 17:55, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
• I expanded a little on the TPM appearance—how's the format I used? – Aidje _talk 19:01, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
• I like it, nice and neat. --Fade 19:07, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

wookie bowcaster's

are they slugthrowers? -- 82.35.168.60(hexhunter)

• No because they shoot lasers. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:57, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • no they don't, they shoot bolts, the bolts are somehow radioactive or something similiar, but does that make them slugthrowers???
• "Explosive quarrels" according to the EU (blaster fire in the films). I've actually wondered this myself before, but I guess it depends on what the quarrels are made of. --Fade 15:43, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• It appears that different bowcasters use either energy based ammo (The bowcasters from the Jedi Knight games) or energy encased physical ammo (Chewbaccas')--Eion 17:08, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • From what I know, your generic bowcaster is sort of a hybrid weapon. It has a ballistic quality (the quarrel) enveloped in energy (like a laser). In Jedi Outcast, you need "metallic bolt" ammo for a bowcaster, the same ballistic ammo you use for a flachette (sp?) launcher. According to the RotS visual dictionary, some 'casters also have over-under barrels (kinda like skeet shooting shotguns). The upper barrel typically fires quarrels, while the lower tends to fire regular blaster blots. -- Shadowtrooper 17:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • But also in JO, the alt-fire of the bowcaster allows you to fire a multiple "bolts" spray volly. This would seem to be impossible with a slugthrower.--Eion 19:36, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • ok, i now know, it both takes energy ammo to fire 'lasers' and explosive tipped quarrels
        • Well one can argue that blaster bolts are also "slugs". -- Riffsyphon1024 16:58, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
          • One could, but this ammounts to hair-spliting.--Eion 00:44, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Episode III

Where did they appear in Ep. III? I remember they were used by the Tuskens in Ep. I and by Zam in Ep. 2, where do they appear in RotS? Or in the Clone Wars cartoon, for that matter? 199.79.168.160 22:54, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Yavin

Since when did Dressellians fight in the Battle of Yavin? Did you mean Endor? – Brynn Alastayr 17:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Quarrels

"They are METAL bolts that are encased with Tibanna gasses, giving them a glow like a laser bolt. During the Imperial occupation of Kaashyyk, some wookies bolted rifles to the bottom of their bowcasters. Some bowcasters have extra strings allowing to shoot multiple Quarrels at a time." It's not word-for-word, but that's generlly what I found in an article about bowcasters. Aceexodia 23:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)Aceexodia

Funny

• Funny, real guns in Star Wars. My brother used to argue with me about this! Crazy Torren 11:30, 16 December 2006 Crazy Torren
  • I've had similar arguments about the existence of swords. That is, until KOTOR came out. -BaronGrackle 10:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
    • You can still argue about whether real lasers exist in Star Wars, though. 68.44.13.236 19:39, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Disadvantages vs. standard blasters?

Should there be a section where it states a slugthrower's disadvatages vs. laser blasters? I think I recall somewhere that they are useless against electromagnetic shields, while blasters weren't. Also this article says they are better vs. Jedi. Wouldn't they be worse? Couldn't a jedi simply use the force to stop the bullets in mid-air? Wouldn't even have to bother to use his lightsaber to deflect them at all. 65.40.195.176 17:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

• I was wondering why a slug simply wouldn't be incinerated by a lightsaber. 71.175.61.71 01:28, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It would get stuck in the lightsaber, and burn probably, but slugs are too small, and move too fast to hit with a lightsaber. It would be like trying to deflect bullets with a normal sword. Darth Kellickq 00:06, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

A blaster bolt is pretty damn difficult to deflect with a lightsaber, too. That's why they have to use the Force to do it. I see no reason that a Jedi couldn't use the Force to melt an incoming slug the way they can deflect a blaster bolt. A bullet is pretty small and we've seen lightsabers cut through metal very easily. A metal with a low melting point like lead would be especially easy for a lightsaber to vaporize. It would probably be harder than deflecting a blaster bolt, but this is the Force we're talking about here! As previously mentioned, though, it would be trivial for Jedi to simply grab the bullets with the Force, rendering this argument somewhat moot. -- unsigned comment by 64.47.148.150 00:58, 17 January 2009

"I see no reason that a Jedi couldn't use the Force to melt an incoming slug the way they can deflect a blaster bolt." Force or no force, a blaster fires easy to see and often slower moving shots. Slugs can be dime sized and travel much faster. Also, "Melting" them with the force sounds more like a sith art to me. At any rate their slugs are probably better than ours, and we have bullets that don't even have to hit you to take your arm off.

Another factor to think about... What if the rounds are made of a lightsaber resistant material?

• I thought about the same thing, shooting cortosis bullets and carrying and Ysalamir cage, the Jedi or Sith would have nothing on you.--99.141.187.143 02:34, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

- So are slugs faster than blaster bolts? The article never answered this question for me. Why can't Jedi deflect slugs? Is it because of the speed of the slug? The idea that it would shatter, thus hurting the force-sensitive? Or that Jedi can't see the slug due to the fact that it does not emit light, unlike a blaster? I never understood this. Has anyone is Star Wars lore ever deflected a slug with their lightsaber?

Maybe it is not the speed of the slugs but the volume. "while others fired thousands of slugs a minute" it would be like trying to deflect this with a lightsaber. And wouldn't the the slug melt into molten shrapnel?

Also, energy blasts have negligible mass. Even if you were to melt a slug before it reached you, it is still the same volume of dense metal moving at incredible speed, only now it is liquid-hot as well.

Don't forget that a bullet goes much faster and has more stopping power than a standard blaster bolt, so even if the jedi tried to use the force to stop it i don't think it would work. also the jedi seem to do better with moving objects that are larger instead of smaller, as it allows them more grasp i think. and usuall when a slugthrower is used its used as a mechine gun, or rapid fire mode, and i don't care how adapt you are at the force, or lightsaber, or both there is no possible way you could stop that many.

it's been seen in the clone wars that slugs can be deflected virtually in the same way as a blaster bolt, so yes, they have deflected slugs with lightsabers. it should also be noted that most slugs look like blaster bolts because they are surrounded in plasma, so they will both look like a blaster bolt, and the added plasma will improve it's damage and range. Ralphjedimaster 21:36, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

They're not guns!

The correct term for gun is firearm. The wikipedia article it links to only covers the artillery concept. And, of course, blasters have occasionally been referred to as guns.--The All-knowing Sith'ari 14:44, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

  The term is a fichnoal term thare guns.
  And that is a vary smug name you have NOT all-KNOWING sITH!

Guns

Guns shouldn't just redirect here. "Gun" can also refer to E-11's acc to Star Wars 4JustinGann 07:40, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

spears

on the page about spears it says that they can peirce stormtrooper armour yet a slug cannot why is this? —Unsigned comment by 194.105.169.193 (talk • contribs)

• I suppose it depends on the type of spear/slugthrower, and whether they impact a weak point in trooper armor. Does the source say if the spears can penetrate the actual armor, or the body glove beneath? --Brymetsprite 16:54, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Is trooper armour really that good?

There are armour peircing rounds... I do not see how they would not work on storm troops. Ethier way there is still the pressure a bullet has when it hits. The storm trooper armour, from its apearance at least, would not displace the pressure behind a bullet well.

Compared to standard Rebel Armor, Stormtrooper uses much higher quality Plastoids compared to the Rebel Trooper's cheaper Plasteel armor. It absorbs kinetic force a lot better than what the average rebel can take. Gyrobot 06:08, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Even without Cortosis...

Bullets would be far superior against Jedi, because at the very least, they couldn't be bounced back at the enemy. Add to that, that 'slug-throwers' are referred to as primitive in this article, it just doesn't seem right. Are we sure that Slug-Throwers were universally considered primitive; I'd like a citation on that. It seems more logical that they were forgone because they are far more expensive (ammo-wise), and perhaps since it was an earlier technology to the blasters, it simply went out of fashion. If they simply didn't exist in the SW-Universe, it would make a lot more sense, but since they do, it's very odd to me that they weren't employed in the movies or other major sources of canon. —Unsigned comment by 97.118.15.141 (talk • contribs)

Until you have to change magazines/clips, sniper caliber rounds are easily predicted (since you can't just eyeball a Jedi as Atton taught you about Jedi warfare, over planning is a good way to die so picking a jedi off from a distance is a difficult task. And Slugthrower Mags/Clips have weight, and since the only thing that matters is heavy weapons...you are just better off with more rounds thrown downrange with a blaster

and also, jedi can deflect slugs, whether they are surrounded in plasma like most slugs, or not. Ralphjedimaster 21:40, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

BIG slugs

A larg slug (canin ball's for egzampole),would be cut in hafe and the jedi would be hit by the 2 parts not disintogeratid. —Unsigned comment by 50.43.137.149 (talk • contribs)

• It is pointless to come up with theories that are not verified in canon sources—that's not what talk pages are made for. Please also remember to sign your comments with four tildes, whether you have an account or not. --LelalMekha 17:37, June 14, 2012 (UTC)

Slugthrower Velocity

After watching the recent Mythbusters episode, I recognized another reason why slugthrowers would arguably be superior against Jedi than a blaster. They analyzed several scenes from the movies and determined that the average speed of a blaster bolt is about 130 miles per hour. That's very slow for a projectile weapon. Even if you don't have to adjust for drop, a bullet fired from a slugthrower is anywhere between 6.5 to 15 times faster. Since Jedi deflecting blaster bolts is treated as a superhuman feat, it's reasonable to assume that they would have considerably greater difficulty dodging or deflecting something moving 15 times faster than a blaster bolt.

Also, a bullet hitting a lightsaber blade probably wouldn't be instantly vaporized. We've seen that lightsabers can be used to melt through blast doors, but the effect doesn't vaporize the metal, so a bullet hitting a lightsaber blade would simply be changed from a high-velocity slug to a high-velocity blob of molten metal. While they might be able to use the Force to slow or deflect a single slug, the movies clearly show that moving objects requires some level of concentration, so trying to pull the Neo-esque feat of stopping multiple rounds in mid air is likely beyond most Force users.

LuciaMoore (talk) 16:26, December 8, 2015 (UTC)