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Date of Death

Er...Obi-Wan says in the film that he was under the impression that Dias was killed before the order was placed. How is that reconciled? --Fade 13:38, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Urgh, this madness- Obi-Wan tells the Prime Minister that "Master Sifo-Dyas was killed, almost ten years ago." then later states "They say Master Sifo-Dyas placed an order for a clone army at the request of the Senate almost ten years ago *pause* I was under the impression he was killed before that.". Since when was almost ten years ago before almost ten years ago? --Fade 01:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
In Labrynth of Evil, it is shown that Dooku takes over Dyas' identity and places the order, and that he is one responsible for Dyas' death.--Eion 01:06, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
One thing I've never understood... why did Dooku bother to assume Dyas' identity when (1) he was a Jedi Knight anyway and to the Kaminoans would have just as much authority since all that matters to them is money, and (2) he'd already revealed to Jango Fett the name Darth Tyranus when hiring him to be the clone source. --SeanR 01:16, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
Simple, by tying up all the loose ends in Dyas, he avoided any questions. However, Dyas had already planned to order the Clone Army BEFORE Dooku killed him, so it seems Dooku just usurped the idea for his own, twisting it to suit the Sith's designs.--Eion 01:22, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
So why did he use the name Tyranus instead of Dyas when hiring Jango? --SeanR 01:28, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Shrugs Shoulders*--Eion 01:38, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I think we need to decide whether Dooku or Sifo-Dyas actually commissioned the army. If it's the former, as this suggests, then the article needs to be changed. I'm leaning towards the former as well because it would explain where he got all the money necessary - I get the impression that Dooku was independently wealthy. --GenkiNeko 13:47, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

  • Ignoring the EU for a moment, Obi-Wan knows that Sifo died almost ten years ago, and that the army was commissioned almost ten years ago. For some BIZARRE reason, Obi-Wan somehow works out that 'almost ten years ago' is longer than 'almost ten years ago', coming to the conclusion that Dias died before the order was placed (see my post above). On a seperate note, this article is horribly OOU.--Fade 13:57, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
  • I might be a little late for this discussion but I just thought of something. If Dooku was behind the clone army, usurping it after Sifo-Dyas, then why did he act surprised at the Battle of Geonosis at how the Republic could come up with such an army in such a short amount of time? Or was he playing both sides too? -- Riffsyphon1024 08:27, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Dooku was pretending to be ignorant of the clone army for the benefit of the Separatist leaders who were also present at the time. Remember, as far as the Separatist Council were concerned, Sidious and Tyranus were only assisting the CIS. QuentinGeorge 09:36, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
      • And the Separatist Council didn't know that Palpatine and Sidious were on in the same. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:17, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
        • If you look at the books, (or at least the young reader novelization, which is all I have on hand right now) it seems Obi-Wan is unsure of the exact date of Sifo's death, but says 10 years to stop the Kaminoans from figuring out anything's going on--Erl 00:22, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Well, I thought we knew he died around ten years prior to Geonosis. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
            • In EP2 Movie, Novel, Script, Young Reader and Comic, Obi-Wan was indeed unsure, because by the time of EP2 Production Sifo-Dyas was only meant to be an alias of Sidious, not an actual Jedi Master. After the release of EP2 the fans discussed his identity to such a hot level that Labyrinth of Evil was released to retcon and explain Sifo-Dyas' identity. By now, yes, Dooku killed Sifo-Dyas around 32 BBY under the command of Darth Sidious. Darth Kevinmhk 02:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's pretty obvious that Dooku killed Sifo-Dyas, then ordered the army while impersonating him (I doubt the Kaminoans knew what Sifo actually looked like before this). Why would Sifo do that without the Jedi Council knowing? Why would he even order an army? It's probably just another part of the grand scheme of Palpatine's. And very little of that scheme relied on chance. Jedibob5 13:05, 7 October 2007 (UTC) Jedibob5 is only speculating. It seems clear that Sifo-Dyas was killed before the order was placed, but we cannot say whether the Kaminoans had seen his face before. I read evidence here on this page that leans towards Dooku posing as Sifo-Dyas, but the Wikia page on Master Sifo-Dyas under "LEGENDS" says he was approached by Hego Damask (Darth Plagueis) who convinced the Jedi Master that the Republic was in danger. Sifo-Dyas had the gift of precognition, so he could not deny that the Republic was in danger, which is why he had to agree with Damask. DAMASK was then the one who funded the army from the Damask Holdings, Legends says, with Sifo-Dyas himself placing the order. Sure, Plagueis planted it, but it wasn't all part of Palpatine's grand scheme, he just prolonged it by being the snake that his master was. NoThanks 19:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC) --204.85.177.76 23:25, September 14, 2015 (UTC)

Date confusion

Since the death of Darth Maul occured the same year (or later) when Tyrannus killed Dyas, when did Sidious had the time to find Dooku and replace his former apprentice? it seems like he had already corrupted Dooku while Maul was alive, or am I missing something? 62.74.1.119 22:18, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

    • Dooku's murder of Sifo-Dyas was his final "step" towards becoming a Sith Lord, and he had left the Order just after the Battle of Naboo (in fact almost immediately). Remember, AoTC is a little bit OVER ten years after TPM. QuentinGeorge 06:06, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Picture

  • Star Wars Visionaries has a brief image of a dead Sifo-Dyas. Since it's in the only canon picture of him, it might be good to have in here. Anyway able to scan it? QuentinGeorge 10:27, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • IIRC, only some of Visionaries is canon. --SparqMan 11:56, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Er...

  • "Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, who was in truth Darth Sidious, manipulated and duped Sifo-Dyas to secretly commission a clone army on Kamino, ostensibly to defend the Republic". Doesn't Labyrinth of Evil imply Sifo-Dyas ordered the army of his own initiative? Sidious only learns about it later, and realizes it can be used to further his plans - Kwenn 12:36, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, I believe Sifo-Dyas ordered it on it's own—or at least the Jedi Order believed that. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:40, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • But I thought sidious planned it all and how would sifo dyas get the money to commison it on his own. And if the republic didn't have an army the CIS would have taken over the republic.User:dan brannan13:18, 16 august 2006 (UTC)
      • No its simply conveniant for Sidious, he used the army, he didn't plan or order it in any way, that was Sifo Dyas alone. The war was palnned by Palps and might not of happened if Sidious didn't have the luck of having a army around, he would of likely found another way to get into power though Jedi Dude 12:35, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
        • We duno how Sifo-Dyas planned to pay the money, but in fact he never paid. He was soon murdered by Dooku before Sifo-Dyas himself could find a prime clone for the job. Dooku paid all the moeny afterwards, the Jedi Council attempted to trace the money but failed. Darth Kevinmhk 15:00, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
          • "Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, who was in truth Darth Sidious, manipulated and duped Sifo-Dyas to secretly commission a clone army on Kamino, ostensibly to defend the Republic" aren't there several sources that back this up? ROTS Movie Scrapbook for one...? 81.152.12.35 20:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

In his sleep?

  • As far as I can check from Labyrinth of Evil and EP3 Visual Dictionary, Dooku did murder Sifo-Dyas, but which source stated that it was in his sleep? Please kindly clarify. Thz. Darth Kevinmhk 08:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Jedi Council?

It says hes on the Jedi Council? Is that even true? Im sure Obi Wan would of known about him if he was.

  • Apart from Lama Su, no source ever mention anything about Sifo-Dyas being a Council member, and from current source we pretty much know the Council members between Ep1 and Ep2 doesnt include Sifo-Dyas, so I guess we can remove this article from Council Member category. Darth Kevinmhk 03:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
    • In future, please check other pages when removing stuff like this. If you'd checked the Jedi High Council page, you would have seen the sourced link to this entry on Leland Chee's weblog, which clearly establishes Sifo-Dyas as being on the Council. And it's irrelevant that we didn't seem him on the Council between Ep1 and Ep2, since he's likely to have served far earlier, and simply retired, like Jocasta Nu. Not all Councillors serves until their death. QuentinGeorge 12:41, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

In the novel Darth Palgueis, it says that Sifo Dyas is indeed a Master on the Council, along with Dooku. —Unsigned comment by 65.36.90.254 (talk • contribs)

How did the Jedi community know the death of Sifo-Dyas

It appears that the truth of Sifo-Dyas's death remained secret even Master Yoda had no idea that it was Dooku who slew his old buddy when Obi-Wan Kenobi discovered the order for clone army. The death seems to be completely mysterious but Jedi did know he was dead. And since Dooku kept the dead body, why did Jedi masters believe that Sifo-Dyas was dead but not living missing? How did Jedi know the death of him? What kind of the information about the death did Jedi get? Some one of Jedi witnessed the accident or they were informed by a reliable individual such as "Master Dooku"? Any source describe the process how Jedi were aware of Sifo-Dyas's death? --58.24.87.10 13:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

  • They might have felt his loss in the Force, I guess -Kev-La Ttolya 11:07, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I would imagine that this remains unanswered for the same reason that a lot of questions go unanswered for long periods of time: the collective "they" goofed up. Expect a retcon or a Sifo-Dyas novel explaining the whole situation if this particular issue reaches the proper ears. --School of Thrawn 101 11:25, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

    • Well, they did say he was a leading member of the Jedi council, so if he suddenly vanished one day, I suppose it would be safe for them to assume that he was dead. Unit 8311 11:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
      • It's the "assume" part of your reply that makes me cringe. --School of Thrawn 101 11:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
        • That would be an awfully big assumption, especially since it's not unheard of for some Jedi (ex: Dark Woman) to not be seen for years. Perhaps Dias was believed to be aboard a ship that was destroyed.
  • It's possible they did find his body, and Dooku managed to recover it before it decomposed. But then again, I'd rather this part of Visionaries non-canon, since Sifo-Dyas being kept in cold storage for a blood transfusion (and one that apparently serves no purpose whatsoever) is an incredibly stupid idea. Eggmanland 21:14, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well to answer why Dooku used Tyranus was because he was Darth Tyranus

Dyas' Main Picture

Isn't there a better picture of Sifo-Dyas somewhere? This one looks like it's from a comic book. Plokoon 9 15:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Wait, I found one. This one's better because Count Dooku and his speech bubble aren't showing. Plokoon 9 15:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Should he go under...

In the lists of Characters (or 'Individuals') should he be filed under the D for Dyas, or the S for Sifo? Fank 21:16, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

sifo dyas was not killed he was frozen

sifo dyas was not killed he was frozen —Unsigned comment by 202.7.183.131 (talk • contribs)

Sifo-Dyas in Brazil

Hello, outsider here. I changed the end of the article slighty, since "se fodias" would clearly mean "fucked himself" instead of "fuck yourself", like it was stated. Actually, a more accurate translation would mean "used to fuck yourself" (said to someone), but it is not my place to put that in there. I apologize if I did something wrong.189.101.226.195 02:51, 28 November 2008 (UTC) 

     I'm pretty sure you'd need a "J" for that, not an "F"  --Wierdperson31 02:58, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Lightsaber Color & Form?

--Rebel Trooper 02:55, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Any proof of what it is? Probably not, just checking though.

Brazil

"Fodias" is not a word in Portugese, according to Reference.com.—BobaFett1 Bounties collected JasterMereelsSigil-TESB 21:14, March 14, 2010 (UTC)

    • Indeed, I am Brazilian and the first thing that came to my mind when I heard the name was: a guy that got screwed up. We often use expressions like: John se fodeu. meaning that John somehow got screwed up, not necessarily by himself although 'se' really is a reflexive pronoun(which is regularly pronounced as the english word 'see'), but the expression is not taken literally. Sometimes we wonder if such names are not chosen on purpose as for example: Babaca, which could be translated loosely as fool or asshole. Notivago 19:41, November 5, 2010 (UTC)

Birth & Old Guard

Firstly, the Old Guard should be slotted in as he is mentioned in the Rise of Darth Vader as part of it. Secondly, I think a rough estimate of his birth should probably be added - possibly from 103 BBY - 99 BBY? 58.165.37.1 05:51, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Plot holes

If Dooku had Sifo-Dyas' lightsaber (and later gave it to Grievous), then what's up with Plo Koon finding it inside the spaceship wreckage in The Lost One? Also, Sifo-Dyas' body was kept by Dooku cryogenically frozen, but in the previously-said episode, it says his body was cremated (can't remember specifically who said it). Should these things be noted in the article? Although, the latter might be a bit ambiguous, since it was also said in that episode that Sifo-Dyas had a Jedi with him, when it was just the Supreme Chancellor's aide Silman... —Super Saiyan 7 Somebody | talk | edits 21:45, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

  • Much of Sifo-Dyas's previous post-death biography (originally from Visionaries) appears to be no longer recognized as canon (or never completely was), which seems to be the cause of "The Lost One" overwriting much of that post-death period. CC7567 (talk) 02:38, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Sifo Dyas or Sifo Dias

Most things have him listed as Sifo-Dyas, but TCW has him named as Sifo Dias (no hyphen). Should the page be renamed to reflect the difference, or do we just assume a typo? --WTRiker (talk) 05:29, March 29, 2014 (UTC)

  • It most definitely is a typo. The official guide for the episode "The Lost One" consistently uses the spelling "Sifo-Dyas," except when it acknowledges the typo in the 2nd slide of the trivia gallery. --Lelal Mekha Old Republic military symbol (Audience Room) 10:03, March 29, 2014 (UTC)