Talk: Ryloth/Legends

Article milestones Date Process Result January 30, 2007 Good article nomination Success June 5, 2007 Good article by Atarumaster88 December 22, 2008 Good article review Removed January 18, 2009 Former Good article
Current status: Former Good article

Capital

was Lessu the Republic era capital and Kala'uun the Empire era one, or what?JustinGann 07:11, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

• No clue, but I know there's at least one Earth country that has two capitals (the name is escaping me right now). Thanos6 07:37, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  • South Africa has Pretoria and Cape Town. QuentinGeorge 07:45, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Bolivia and the Netherlands have La Paz/Sucre and Amsterdam/The Hague as capitals, though one is an administrative capital and the other the de facto capital. It's possible that there's some confusion over it. Which sources label which - is there a clear divide anywhere? Kypzethdurron 09:40, 25 Nov 2010 (UTC)

Is Ryloth really in Orus Sector? Orus Sector is in Inner Rim. Telccu 14:57, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Clone Wars

Whoa, hold on. What is the source that says Ryloth secceded around the time of the Outer Rim Seiges? -- SFH 00:55, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

About the TV show, what is the source for Taa protesting the seizure and politicians getting it out of harm's way? Lucius malfoy7 20:14, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Did it Supernova?

That second pic of Ryloth has a huge white spot. Is that a glare from a camera or what? Don't mean to sound rude. --Quidon88 21:41, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Sector?

• What sector is Ryloth in? Need answer soon! N@M3Le$$

{Need Ideas For Image!} ^{Please, can someone talk to me?!} 23:08, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Tidal-locking and Planetary Temperatures

I just watched something very interesting which gave me insight into tidal-locked planets. Now, Ryloth's scorching winds would not be just confined to the sun-baked hemisphere, but would travel across the planet. This would carry heat from the Brightlands into the Nightlands, giving the planet a relatively stable temperature.

This phenomenon was found on extra-solar bodies called "Hot-Jupiters," that were found tidal-locked. Scientists assumed at first that the difference in temperature would be drastic; one side being frozen, the other being scorched. They studied an extra-solar tidal-locked planet in infrared and found that the temperature was quite stable. Yes, the side facing the sun was very, very, very hot, but the side facing away from the sun still had heat. This was due to the winds carrying the heat across the planet's surface.

Since Ryloth has high winds, the same would apply to it, though with less intensity as the winds are facing friction from the surface, whereas the winds on the extra-solar Hot-Jupiters were not. However, there would still be considerable carry-over enough to give the Nightlands some heat, possibly enough for it to be habitable.

Just something to ponder. Trak Nar 05:05, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

• On a side note to Windu's line about "planetary rotation," that's not an error, a tidal-locked planet still rotates. It's rate of rotation is simply fixed so as the same face is directed at the its parent star at all times. This is exactly the relationship between our Earth and our Moon (which points the same face at us at all times). MadTheDJ 00:56, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

• Regarding Hot Jupiters and heat distribution, Hot Jupiters have winds that travel at thousands of kilometeres per hour, something not achievable on a planet such as Ryloth where life as we know it might exist. It will either have people spend their lives underground like Sulustans, or if winds travel at normal speed, the Bright Side will be too hot to live in and the Dark Side will be too cold respectively. Leaving Twi'Leks living in the twilight part that's neither day or night.. or if we want to go wild with theories, they, as species could've evolved some qualities that allow them to be more resilient to extreme heat/cold, etc.

TianlanSha4 07:09, 24 September 2019 (EET)

Clone Wars rewrote Ryloth

Well, shall we just erase this whole article then? In Liberty of Ryloth we see the planet has a day/night cycle. This invalidates everything. From the tidal lock situation, Bright Lands and Shadowlands and the traditions involved with them, heat storms and even the need for underground cities. Way to kill a cool planet, George. But disillusion aside, how to we handle this article now? Gry Sarth 03:03, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

• We could say different parts of the planet are affected differently? Jacen Solo Jedi Master 23:06, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree, they turned an interesting planet into just a generic planet. Maybe there is a way that the old Ryloth and the new one can co-exist? For instance, Kashyyyk was shown with coasts in Episode III whereas it was always thought of just having huge trees and nothing else... but just because we never saw it before doesn't mean that the Kashyyyk with huge trees couldnt have a coastline somewhere on the planet with small nearby trees. I guess it's hard to say one is wrong without an official word on it. Freedon 19:11, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
    • Even though they didn't show any of the EU properties other than it being a wasteland, I guess that, with a bit of strecthing, it's still possible to fit it. From what I understood, we only see different "times of day" in different locations, so it's plausible that they were moving closer and farther from the "Shadowlands". The capital seems to be closer to the Brightlands, while the first bombed village was at the habitable borders of the Shadowlands, and the resistance camp somewhere in between. Of course, they would have to be doing a hell of a lot of travelling to get to such different "time zones", but if that's what it takes to reconcile the two sources, so be it. Gry Sarth 20:00, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
      • For it to make the most sense, the events of the Clone Wars episodes should occur along the planet's terminator between day and night. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
        • But they showed it turn from day to night and back to day.I think we should Split Articles into say "Ryloth" is George Lucas' version and "Ryloth EU" is the other one.Or maybe the EU ryloth is just a planet in the Ryloth System..Not Ryloth itself.--Fisto-Arsix 03:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC).
          • Bad idea, Fisto-Arsix. That would imply that there's two planets (or two versions). And what about the history of Ryloth that affected the TCW version, but wasn't explicitly included? I think we should just say that different parts of the planet are affected differently. Good idea, Jacen Solo Jedi Master...by User:TessyWawa
            • Near the bottom of the page. Big retcon.Doctor Kermit^{(The Doctor is in)} 00:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC) http://blogs.starwars.com/danwallace/145
            • If they keep revising elements like this, there will eventually be nothing left of what we originally called STAR WARS and what we originally became fans for in the first place. I vote we split the article and make an EU Ryloth and a George Lucas Ryloth. Some of us RPG Gamemasters have been running Ryloth as tidal locked for almost 2 decades. The only way its going to start turning like a regular planet and not destory its population is if Superman magically flies around it. Its nonsensical and should have been instantly caught by the LFL continuity department. With all the resources we have in the 21st century, that LFL claims to have, and the SW community has, at its disposal, this wiki proudly included, this blunder is inexcusable. -- Frank V Bonura 15:57, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
              • Now I can’t remember if they mention Ryloth as an actual planet. If they did not we could say that it is one of its moons with the same name as the planet Ryloth. Jacen Solo Jedi Master 08:52, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
                • Maybe an unidentified (at least in dialogue) eclipse occurred (whereby a celestial body passed through the plane between Ryloth's Sun and Ryloth itself) causing the illusion of night in the Day-zone.MadTheDJ 01:04, November 17, 2010 (UTC)

The entire article is a lie. We should restart the entire article. —Unsigned comment by CC Vlogger (talk • contribs)

Changes are afoot

An immense chunk of Ryloth history has been retcinned by the Atlas, as per this:http://blogs.starwars.com/danwallace/145. I'm irritated too, but I would've helped to start fixing everything in this article already, if not for one small thing. Are there not some stories that revolve solely on the belief that the planet is tide-locked? What do we do about this one? The Doctor K.^{(No I'm not really a doctor.)} 21:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

• This is the current conflict that hasn't been resolved. The three-way conflict indicates three canonical sources conflict with each other, however, they're are more than three though too many to list. The Essential Atlas and TCW are notable of the changes. Geonosis and the Outer Rim explains that Ryloth is a tide-locked planet, with the hash conditions of the planet. JangFett ^Talk 22:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Precisely. Which leads to the big question: How do we approach this? The Doctor K.^{(No I'm not really a doctor.)} 23:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
    • After reading the blog and various comments in TFN's JC forums, I would say that this dispute won't be solved for a while. Dan didn't seem to like the fact that he was changing established continuity due to TCW's mistake in portraying the planet. Ryloth will make another appearance in season two and hopefully TCW will portray the planet as a tide-locked planet, however, the outlook is slim at best. I don't know how CSWE's entry of Ryloth describes the planet, though we can always look. If the entry says it is a tide-locked planet, then this conflict is rapidly increasing with existing canon sources. CSWE and The Essential Atlas were released in 2008 and 2009, respectively. Having said that; both are newer, recent sources. JangFett ^Talk 00:08, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
      • CSWE mentions it as having an "unusual" rotation cycle. I'm going to replace the day/night thing with that. —Milo Fett^[Comlink] 17:17, September 23, 2009 (UTC)
        • Well considering a unusual rotation cycle it could be said that one of the poles of the planet is permanantly facing the star, but not completely on a right angle. So to speak a two axis rotation. One axis for the daily cycle and another rotation for the orbit of the star. And since the slight off angle of the poles, compared to the star, the Twilight Band would have a central permanent twilight, with each side shifting with light/dark cycles. Or would at most have a curved form with no "real" twilight band. (Wish I could illustrate this) --------Casual reader of SW 194.177.231.70 17:42, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
          • New info! The Galaxy at War sourcebook by Wizards of the Coast, released just about a week ago, goes back to the original Ryloth characterization. In the Gutkurr article is reads: ""Although the gutkurr's thick shell and internal insulation allow it to survive for short periods on the frigid night side of Ryloth, the gutkurr typically makes its home in the twilight area, preferring to stay out of the intense heat of the day side of the planet. Gutkurrs sometimes travel through the night side of the planet, ambushing unwary travellers."Gry Sarth 13:17, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
            • Thanks for the information, Gry. So now another official source conflicts with the Original Ryloth "Tide locking" and the TCW-version. JangFett ^(Talk) 20:13, October 1, 2009 (UTC)
              • Actually, for me it seems that Galaxy at War agrees perfectly with the original tide locking concept. Gry Sarth 09:02, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
                • The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia actually does make reference to the planet's light side and dark side in the entry for Twi'leks, page 270. The term Bright Lands is even used. Moon Demon 05:08, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
                  • Big surprise, once again Lucasfilm goes and screws something up. —Unsigned comment by 24.63.97.114 (talk • contribs)

I have watched it thirty two times

the clone wars saga with the planet ryloth, no comments that i remember from anybody dipute the tidal lock. All locations in the show are ever shown in the same lighting, nothing visually about hte episodes contradicts this. the new essential atlas avoids the subject the only evidence is a thirty hour day which probably only means thats how long the people consider the day. Understand the reason some villages were at night in the clone was was because it was probably to dang close to the darkside. I am sick of all these disputes over the rotation of the planet 67.142.166.20 07:39, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

• Please refer to the discussion above. JangFett ^(Talk) 20:57, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Semi-locked?

What if the planet is semi-locked? Maybe it's moons cause an erratic tidal lock. This way half of the planet is hot, the other is cold, and the twilight zone moves back and forth. This slight move produces the 30-hours day, which is not the real astronomical day of the planet, just a light-dark cycle in the twilight zone. Could a teore like this solve the contradiction? Darth Morrt 11:10, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

I suggest mentioning this to Leland Chee on the Star Wars forums. --DarthEinstein 15:55, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

I like this idea, i think i shall SEND AN EMAIL to leland chee suggesting that he makes it so ralok 22:28, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Chee has spoken

In the "Ask Lobot" section of the October issue of Star Wars Insider, Chee says that yes, there was a continuity error, but TCW ovderrides the lore and establishes Ryloth's rotation, as locations are seen both day and night. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 21:01, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

This is unacceptaple. Then this means that every EU comic, novel, or video game featuring ryloth is rendered non canon. Isn't it easier to just get Lucasanimation to edit the ryloth episode so it has no rotation? Either that or Lucas has to just admit that this TCW debacle is an alternate timeline. Seems like a bad decision to ostrasize the numerous EU fans out thereUser:Revanthereformer1138

• Unfortunately Wookieepedia talk pages are not a forum; they are only used to discuss matters pertaining to the subject. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 01:04, September 17, 2010 (UTC)
• Seriously can you not see the consequences? If that is true then by default the entire page dealing with pre-TCW appeances should be swiped from the record. am i the only one who realizes that all the other pages connected to ryloth in any way will need re-writing?[[User:Revanthereformer1138]
  • Nothing is rendered non-canon. Only the tidal lock is gone. The planet still has heatstorms, just with different origin. But you are right, many article need re-writing. Darth Morrt 02:27, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Look guys, I am going to be the optimist here, they probably will not say exactly what is up with ryloth until the clone wars show ends its run. There could even be multiple planets names ryloth (think byss friends). But in ten seconds i can think of several retcons that would fix it, and chee is not a stupid fellow if a person like me (who can barely make a sammich without lighting the house on fire) can see ways that a tidally locked planet can have day night cycles so could the entirety of lucasfilm. In time we wil know the truth,and making thingsan alternate timeline would not fix things (switching some episodes around would though, not every episode in the clone wars cgi show has to take place in sequential order) ralok 21:36, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

I am also going to point this out IT NEVER SAYS (listen carefully) ANYWHERE that the planet has rotation, all we know is that the natives usea thirty hour day, and that one area was dark for fourteen seconds. Dont beleive me,watch the episode, out ofthree episodeswith ryloth there is only ONE place that we actually see during night(thatwasalso seen during the day, another seenhas night but it is an unkown location), and as cannot see the night sky in its entirety WHY it is dark is completely unkown. This "continuity error" is massively exaggerated. Now i havfe to go rewatch that episode to make sure that i know what i am talking about, because knowing my stupidity i probably said something wrong ralok 23:30, September 23, 2010 (UTC)

Solution to Tide-lock Problem

Since so many people are up in arms about this issue, and I think that the solution is a relatively simple one, I wanted to make this its own talk category. If you think I'm in the wrong, banish me to the Bright Lands.

Our Earth moon is, as most know, tide-locked to the Earth. However, due to the eccentricity of the moon's orbit, it undergoes a phenomenon known as libration. This basically means that the moon wobbles back and forth, revealing part of its dark side to us as it cycles. The moon will complete a libration cycle once during its rotation. For Ryloth, this would mean that part of the dark side and some of the bright side could "switch places." (You really have to watch the libration gif on the Wikipedia page to understand what I'm saying). Assuming Ryloth undergoes libration, this could in fact provide us with more information about the planet, meaning that it must therefore complete a single "year" in the 30 hours that it takes to complete one libration cycle. If that seems impossible, investigate 55 Cancri, an extrasolar star with a planet that orbits in just over 10 hours. Now, I don't know enough about orbital dynamics to know if the combination of a 30 hour orbit, enough eccentricity to create a "day and night cycle" and the earth-like mass of the planet could exist. This would require a physicist or astronomer to investigate. However, it could still mean that Ryloth has its unique and awesome tide-lock status, and the references to rotation could refer to its libration cycle (since that servers as a sort of rotation). I know this adjusted orbit would conflict with the stated orbital cycle, but I know I would rather have one numerical mistake in a guide book than countless substantive mistakes throughout the entire EU. --Nick2253 08:52, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

• You might want to read the {{Talkheader}} after that. 1358 ^(Talk) 09:07, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
  • Well, in my view the conflicting cannon sources means that the article must be revised some how, and therein lies the "discussion about changes" that you so request. I know that this is no place for fanon, but that's not what I am attempting to promote. I'm trying to further the understanding of the topic by offering one "point of view" of the solution. Inherently, a discussion of the topic is necessary to properly modify the underlying article. You cannot properly explain that which you do not understand. Am I proposing specific edits? No. I am, however, trying to provide a basis on which those edits may be made. Since that is apparently in the wrong, I'll curtail any such future contributions I might make. --Nick2253 09:20, November 14, 2010 (UTC)
    • Its all good dude. It is humorous how all these Wiki nerds brush off well-mannered chatter just because it doesn't follow the rule. Fact is Wookieepedia is a shitty place to hang because everyone has a stick up their ass for the rules. And noticed how 1358 never replied? [Redacted by administration] LOL! Sorry just saying the truth. This is why the human race is a fucking joke! Why do we dumb apes choose to limit ourselves with the most [Redacted by administration] of rules? Wookieepedia is covered in red tape and if you aren't planning to go through all that damn tape, then the Wiki [Redacted by administration] will throw a fit! Anyway, I'm looking forward to my ban. :) 96.240.138.81 17:45, January 28, 2011 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the kind words. Much appreciated. :) 1358 ^(Talk) 17:46, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

I think the point has been lost here, the fact is there is an existing stellar phenomenon that would allow a tidally locked planet to experience "day and night" cycles . . . it should be mentioned in the behind the scenes section . . . it just seems logical. ralok (talk) 07:49, August 14, 2012 (UTC) The claim is "it is impossible for a tidally locked planet to have day and night cycles, that has been demonstrated to be false . . . this should be pointed out on the article. Just a small blurb that says "although this is not technically impossible" with "technically impossible" linking to wikipedias libration page ralok (talk) 19:30, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

"It was one of the few worlds of the galaxy further from the Galactic Core than Tatooine."

Um, according to most maps of the galaxy, aren't most planets in the outer rim farther from the galactic core than Tatooine? —Unsigned comment by 81.100.96.2 (talk • contribs)

• Make sure to sign your comments in the future. Also, if you assume that the galaxy map shown in the galaxy article is perfectly to scale, and you overlay a circle centered at the core with a radius of the core to Tatooine, then you'll see that far and away most of the planets are closer. If you specifically look in the region of the Corellian Run, then you'll see that Ryloth is indeed one of the few planets farther from the galactic core than Tatooine. --Nick2253 02:26, December 21, 2011 (UTC)