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Fel a Fel?

Is this family related to the Fel's of the Empire, Chiss and Empire of the Hand?

  • The white forelock should not indicate relationship to Jagged Fel. Jag's white lock was the result of a scar, which ran from his forehead, up into his hair. It's not genetic, and would not be inherited by his children, any more than Luke's prosthetic hand would be inherited by Ben. Of course, this could be an error on the part of those who created 'Legacy', who forgot Jag's white hair comes from a scar. Corellia's Dream 18:33, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Actually, it can still be genetic. Jag's white lock may have become a non-natural genetic trait that can be passed down to the next generation. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
      • How do you make that work ? A scar on the skin, which is described in 'Dark Tide' as the reason for the white lock of hair, doesn't not affect a person's DNA. An alteration to the phenotype (physical appearance) does not alter the genotype (the DNA which is passed on to the next generation). A non-natural genetic trait is an artificially created mutation in a person's DNA. If the white hair was caused by a spontaneous mutation in Jag's DNA, then it would be hereditary. But it was caused by a scar in his scalp, which is not going to affect the genetic material in his sperm. Corellia's Dream 01:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
        • Well, I read a science book not too long ago saying certain things can affect one's genetic code, making new traits that can be handed down to the next generation. And anyway, how does a scar cause a white lock of hair? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
          • OK, I discussed this with a consultant pathologist. Most times an injury won't affect the colour of hair. However, an injury that doesn't heal cleanly can result in white hair, as the skin cells and hair follicles are damaged and no longer produce pigment. So Jag's scar could cause the white hair. DNA can mutate spontaneously, and those changes could be handed down the generations (depending on what's inherited from the other parent). Those mutations tend to be very minor, are and highly unlikely to affect anything as specific as a lock of white hair. That would require (relatively) a lot of genetic change. There is no way that an external event like a scar would be incorporated into genetic code. That's like saying you could inherit your Dad's tattoos.I reckon that if the Emperor Fels' white locks are meant to indicate descent from Jag Fel, the writers simply weren't paying proper attention to the reason for Jag's white lock and/or their understanding of heredity. I was just being a bit picky about it, that's all. Corellia's Dream 02:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Succeeded by: Darth Krayt?

*clears throat*

NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Sikon [Talk] 18:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

  • I think it's way too early to know anything at all about this... Hollis 18:54, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Sithocracy?...I like that word. -- SFH 19:17, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Considering it was a double Krayt killed, should we have an article for that double? -- Riffsyphon1024 04:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Imperial Knight

Appearances

Perhaps I should point out that we decided to list arcs, not individual issues. - Sikon 09:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

New image

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Any chance we could find a place for this image of Fel? Jasca Ducato Sith Council Sith Campaign 20:12, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Family

Is it actually stated anywhere that he is descended from Soontir Fel? Because I thought that was just conjecture but it is presented as fact. I am more wondering (also conjecture) if he isn't related to Ysanne Isard, just on the white streak, especially as it begins in the centre at the front, much like Isard's... and wasn't Isard rebuffed by Fel once? I wouldn't put it past her to drug him or gain a sample of his genetic structure for her own nefarious purposes, and years later the child of two of the Empires most (in)famous families would make a sensible heir to the empire. Of course, if Roan Fel's descent from Jagged is stated in the comics or interviews, pretend I said nothing. 202.7.166.166 09:35, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

  • He's descended from Soontir, but certainly not Isard. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
    • And the evidence for this is...? 202.7.166.167 03:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
      • The Ultimate Visual Guide specifically labelled him as Soontir's descendant. QuentinGeorge 06:34, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
        • Thank you, that answers my main question. As to the other, I was offering a COMPLETELY ORIGINAL THEORY which, due to the Isard's families' hairstyles is far more realistic than the "DNA adopting the Scar" theory. Thats not aimed at you QG, but more at that Nebulax guy above. Also, it isn't an attack, its just explaining why I was babbling about Isard. 202.7.166.167 08:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
          • As mentioned above, anon, a scar that causes a white lock of hair can change the genetic code, resulting in that trait being passed to one's offspring. Therefore, your theory is not "far more realistic" if my theory can happen. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
            • Dude, your random "i read a science book" is a lame excuse at best. Look up Lamarckism... he was the guy that said that acquired traits could be passed from generation to generation... and he was discredited like a hundred years ago. Like someone mentioned above, that would be like inhereting your dads tattoos. 202.7.166.167 21:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
              • Enough. Your questions have been answered. Go find a forum to babble on about nonsense now. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
                • Your hypothesis is completely without scientific merit! A scar could cause genetic damage, yes, but unless that scar is in an area related to gamete production it doesn't matter. Sorry that you can't see beyond your own theory 202.7.166.167 01:26, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
                  • Ah, but you're wrong, anon. It can happen. Go read a book instead of trying to pick fights you can't win. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:13, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
                    • Err, Jack, that's like saying a kid can inherit his father's (or mother's) tattoos. Give it a rest, huh?--Goodwood 00:49, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
                      • No, because it can happen. And, in the Star Wars universe, it did. Therefore, even if I didn't have real-life proof, it wouldn't make any difference in-universe. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 01:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
                        • Got a citation for that, bunky?--Goodwood 01:10, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
                          • It's in the same book that he learned Lamarckism from. - Lord Hydronium 01:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
                            • No. I got that from a friend of mine who studied genetics. In any case, like I said, it doesn't matter. All that does is that he got that trait from Soontir. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 01:16, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
                              • You're wrong. You're so wrong. Your wrongness actually causes a physical change in space and time, to the extent that reality rewrites itself to ensure you will never be right. In the infinite multiverse, there is a universe in which every possibility takes place, and in all of them you are still wrong.--Goodwood 01:22, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
  • Still no source. Not only is Lamarckism is total bunkum in our universe, and unless your friend mentioned it in the context of theories no one believes anymore because they're so very wrong then his knowledge of science is about 200 years behind the times, there is no canon evidence that it is true in Star Wars, nor is there canon evidence that Jag could have or did pass on his scar. Note that canon evidence consists of something like "Book X/Comic Y/Back of C-3PO's Cereal box Z says this". Examples of things that are not canon evidence include, "Can you prove it isn't true?" or "I saw it some book, somewhere." So please, if you're going to make the claim that Roan inherited his scar in the Lamarckian fashion from Jag, please provide canon evidence of it. - Lord Hydronium 01:37, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I already said I mistook Jagged for Soontir, and since it's not know if Roan Fel is decended from Jagged, the theory wouldn't work. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 01:39, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
    • Does Sia have a stripe? Nope. There goes your theory, bunky.--Goodwood 01:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Wrong. She most certainly does have a white lock of hair. Therefore, the theory may have some ground. Thank you, Goodwood, for bringing that to my attention. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 01:47, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
        • Actually in one issue, she doesn't. At any rate you have yet to provide a canon source for your Lamarckian prattlings.--Goodwood 01:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
          • Marasiah's wanted holo shows her with no stripe. Is it easier to accept that Lamarckian genetics are silly and it's probably dyed, or is it easier to keep insisting a crackpot theory is perfectly credible because it's more important that you never back down than that you be right? Havac 03:04, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
            • I never said the theory was canon. It is merely a possibility, nothing more. Besides, you may be right—her hair was probably dyed, and if this is the case, it may just be a symbol of royalty rather than a genetic trait. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 14:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Pardon me if this idea has already sprung up, but I thought of it while reading Legacy 33. We know that Jag Fel became the first emperor of the Fel dynasty and that Roan is his descendant. But where did Roan get his powerful connection to the Force? Jag as far as we know has never demonstrated Force sensitivity (unless I'm missing something). We haven't heard much about the Solos in Legacy so can we take a guess and say that Jag and Jaina Solo end up actually getting married? This would explain why Fel's line is strong in the Force and help explain the founding of the Imperial Knights. It has been implied that there are going to be some trust issues between the Jedi and the Republic (in the upcoming Fate of the Jedi series), so the Empire, under Jag Fel with his potential Force-using wife and son, might take advantage of this to create their own "more reliable" order of Force users. Thoughts? --Darth Soggy 18:07, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

  • Just a thought on the whole inherited white hair from Jag's scar thing - Whatever caused Jag's scar could of been radioactive, causing a permanent genetic mutation to hair colour. --Kyr Kast JaingHead If in need of my services, find me at the Oyu'baat cantina, Keldabe, Mandalore 21:01, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

I always thought that the Fels just bleached part of their hair white, to signify royalty. That is, maybe Jagged died in battle and could only be identified by his hair, or something like that, and his descendants decided to adopt the mark themselves. I don't really have anything to go on to support that, besides the fact that it makes more sense than this radioactive Lamarkist theory.--Voydaria Writer (talk) 12:09, October 1, 2014 (UTC)

Roan Fel's Lightsaber

Is it possible that Roan Fel's lightsaber is a dual-phase? Because in Legacy #8 when he is threatening Moff Calixte he has a short blade, but later in that issue when he and Antares Draco are escaping Coruscant he is using a regular-sized blade. I just think it would be cool if he does.--Jedi Kasra 03:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Lightsaber Form I?

The cover to Ready to Die appears to show Roan Fel using the opening stance to Form I... at least to my eyes.--Jeffbacca 00:23, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

- the IKs apparently are familer with all of the basic saber forms in addition to having two unique ones. no doubt developed by Jaina Solo incorperating what she learned from the Mandos

Moving to the Dark Side?

I was shocked when he ordered the entire crew of the Dauntless to be executed. Doesn't that show that he's slipping over to the Dark Side?

  • It's war. Things like that happen. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:04, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
  • That's not the Dark Side, that's New Imperialism. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:24, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
  • A bit ruthless and frankly, unnecessary. I can't image every crewman, officer and stormtrooper was loyal to the Sith. Most of those men could have been turned.
    • If they could have been turned, they wouldn't have been on the side of the Sith in the first place. I'm sure Fel realized that. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:22, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
      • I don't believe that's the case. Lady Maladi states that if the Sith attacked Bastion, they were unsure how much of the Loyalist Imperial Fleet would stay on their side. Thus, it is possible for much of the Fleet to be turned to Fel's side. His murder of the Dauntless crew seems to be just spite. It's likely that such an action would just stiffen the resolve of the Sith Imperials.

Are you all forgetting something here? Fel didn't order the execution of the Dauntless crew. Maladi did, remember? She warned Dorn that if he failed to take down Fel, she'd have his son and the entire crew executed, which she did. 68.228.149.192 02:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Good or bad?

When compared to say... The Rebel Alliance, would The New Empire, Roan Fel, and the Imperial Knights be considered as "good guys" or "bad guys"? OR would they be more... In-between? What would GL consider Fel, his Empire, and the IK's? --Ashron Ket 19:46, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

They're the third party along with the GA and the Sith. While the other two are fairly clear-cut good and evil, almost every aspect about the Empire is grey. 128.243.253.217 12:55, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Profil pic

The new profile pic really reminds me of Terence Stamp. Who was it based on?... Klow 19:09, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Jaina Solo in the family tree???

Um, I don't think it's been 100% established that Jagged and Jaina married. So why is she in the tree? —Unsigned comment by 210.4.126.48 (talk • contribs)

yes that doesn't make sense, especially considering the events of Fate of the Jedi: Allies...ASDF1239Chiss Ascendancy-DISCUSSION- 23:20, May 31, 2010 (UTC)