Talk: Pre-Republic era

Article milestones Date Process Result March 14, 2006 Featured article nomination Success May 25, 2006 Featured article May 18, 2008 Featured article review Removed June 28, 2008 Former Featured article
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Great article! Shouldn't the Hutt Empire be under civilizations as well, though? QuentinGeorge 06:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I was so tempted to start the History section with: "In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - Lord Hydronium 10:49, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Title

Shouldn't this be at Pre-Republic era, rather? --Imp 14:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I tried to move it myself, but a redirect exists, which prevents me from moving it. Can one of you administrators move it? Adamwankenobi 03:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Additions

How about the sharu? SW official site says some stuff about it. Also more expansion on the maw (possibly artificial) and the whole corellia being artificial subject. Also worth noting is info about metellos and axum. --UVnet 14:23, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• Also: Force Demons? 68.44.13.236 05:25, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

succession box

Why was it deleted? --UVnet 14:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

• Because it mixed "publishing eras" with in-universe time periods. QuentinGeorge 20:21, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Big Bang

I forgot to log in for that first revert. How exactly removing the reference to the Big Bang "neutral wording"? The Star Wars galaxy is in our universe, which began with the Big Bang. The galaxy, and the Pre-Republic era, didn't begin with the formation of life, it began with the formation of the universe. - Lord Hydronium 02:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• Well, "neutral wording" is definitely the wrong term to use for an objection, but beginning with the Big Bang is questionable, if you're talking about a historical era. History would start with the earliest known records of the galaxy's earliest civilizations (sometime around 2 million BBY with the development of Columi civilization.) —Silly Dan _(talk) 03:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• What I meant was, does any canon source specifically reference the Big Bang? Or is that just an assumption? If it is mentioned, my apologies for the revert—but if it isn't, we should word things in a more accurate manner. RMF 04:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • I think there is no point extending a political period to an astronomical/cosmological event totally unrelated to the Galaxy. For example on Earth, Before Christ extends to the first historical, even prehistorical years but there is no point saying that "Before Christ era" or "prehistory era begun with the creation of the universe". Prehistory is only rarely said to begin with the Big Bang, since most usually it is said to begin with creation of life, if not of Earth the earliest. Prehistory is an earth term, historical, not astronomical. The earliest we should define pre-Republic is up to the creation of the Galaxy the earliest. MoffRebus 10:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
    • There's really no need to argue... The big bang is completely canon. See the Tales of the Jedi Sourcebook, Star Wars: The Roleplaying Game 2nd Edition and The Essential Guide to Alien Species. Also worth noting is that according to Star Wars Episode I: Incredible Locations, Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina and Shield of Lies, the galaxy was formed on 5,000,000,000 BBY. Oh, and BTW the first known civilization is not the Columni but the Sharu (first signs at 3,000,000,000 BBY). --UVnet 14:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
      • Right, the Sharu. I stand corrected. —Silly Dan _(talk) 14:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
        • What about the Architects, Fizz-builders, etc?--Erl 15:08, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
      • Well, the point is not if the BB is canon. Of course it is. My point is that a political terminology has no reason to refer to events of that extent (eg. before even life begun). Look what I said above (I think you didn't). According to your logic, the prehistorical era of earth begins with the BB, however, properly, prehistorical era begins with the formation of Earth and/or life. MoffRebus 23:44, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
        • Yes, that's exactly what prehistorical means. "Pre-Republic" isn't a political terminology, it's a timeframe, that is, everything before the Republic. If the Sharu fall under that heading at 3 billion years before the Republic, then there's no reason to have an arbitrary cutoff some random time before that. - Lord Hydronium 01:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

• And what about the pre-Republic Humans from Xo? You know, the ruins with Human-like statues we see in Crimson Empire II. Despite what Mirith Sinn and Kir Kanos say the ruins don't look old enough to be pre-Republic, it seems more likely that the author didn't know how old the republic really is. But AFAIK it has not been retconned. How would they fit in this era? And what happened to them? Wiped out by the Zanibar? Bodo-Baas 18:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Publishing era

Why is this listed as a publishing era? It's nothing of the sort. Kuralyov 22:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Then what about the Main Page? --UVnet 05:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

• With the recent release of Dawn of Jedi it became officially a publishing era.

Era symbol on main page

At present it is merely a question mark - how about the symbol of the Rakatan Empire as seen throughout Knights of the Old Republic - the one that looks like the Star Forge?

• How about we stop using non-canonical publishing eras, hence eliminating the need for us to invent a symbol for it? QuentinGeorge 08:49, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I thought these era symbols were for the identifying each time period regardless. That's why I second the request for a proper pre-Republic era symbol or symbols, if there's different eras involved. VT-16 10:14, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I believe that it would be a good idea to have an era symbol because this is a canon time period. Also why isn't it a publishing era I mean Infinities is a pushing era. Darth Nezzera ^(Talk) 11:51, 26 September 2007(UTC)

Is the term "Pre-Republic Era" canon?

• Here's a quote from starwars.com: "The history of The Pre-Republic Era is a collection of previously published facts connected by new discoveries."

It seems to me that if the term "Pre-Republic Era" is used on the official site for Star Wars, then it certainly can and should be used here to describe the timeframe before the foundation of the Old Republic. Jaywin 20:49, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

It's canon, but it's not a canon publishing era. Do you understand the difference? QuentinGeorge 21:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes: which means we can keep the article, and keep it under this title, but I suppose we wouldn't want to leave the article in the same lists/succession boxes as wholly OOU articles on publishing eras. Unless, of course, we wanted to change those articles into mostly or partly IU articles. (And why wouldn't we want to do that?) —Silly Dan _(talk) 21:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

OK, I see your point now about the Pre-Republic Era not being a canon publishing era, and yes I agree that distinction should be made. Thanks to the both of you for clearing that up. But I think I would essentially agree with Silly Dan. I think it would be prudent to add the Pre-Republic Era to articles like List of eras for practical reasons like ease of navigation through Wookiepedia, or for just letting people know that there is some information about the Star Wars universe that pre-dates the Old Republic. However, if the Pre-Republic Era is listed in articles like "List of eras," it should be specifically noted, (perhaps with its own subsection), that it is not a canon publishing era and what that means.

And as a personal note, I think it would be really cool if some stories were published that did take place in the Pre-Republic Era...you know, the emergence of the Jedi, the events leading up to the foundation of the Old Republic, the Unification Wars...that sort of stuff. Any of you think that will ever happen? Jaywin 01:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Rakata Date

• Here's something that doesn't seem right at 34,000 BBY: "The Rakata civilization falls as a galactic power". This isn't right is it, especially since the Rakata reached their peak in 30,000 BBY? Jaywin 21:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Is it just me, or does the chronological information on the Rakata in this article seem to contradict the chronological information at The Official Site of KOTOR? Jaywin 15:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
    • The dates here are from the NEC. Since the bio on the KOTOR site is written from an in-universe perspective around the time of KOTOR, that can be chalked up to the galaxy learning more about them in the following millennia and finding that their earlier beliefs were wrong. - Lord Hydronium 02:46, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Additional info at timeline

• There's a little bit of additional info about the Pre-Republic Era at the Pre-Republic section of the timeline if anyone is interested in checking it out and seeing if any of that should be incorporated into this article. Either way, this is still a good article, in my opinion. Jaywin 21:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Appearances section

• Is there any reasin the appearances section is so sparse? Surely every book etc that features a reference to this era or something built during it should be noted as an appearance? HavetStorm 18:46, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

"Most important"

In response to the edit describing the Rakata as "the most important Pre-Republic civilization": What basis is there for this? The Celestials/Architects created more impressive devices, the Arkanians made whole new species, etc. Unless there's something that actually describes the Rakata as that, it's just POV. Hence, removed. - Lord Hydronium 19:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

• The consequences define the importance. The devices created by the other races are amazing ancient stuff, only. The Infinite Empire defined all that there is in republic. Hyperdrives, terraformed worlds, alien species in several non connected planets, maybe the own motivation for creating the republic itself.

This Is Now An Official Publishing Era

Picked up Dawn of the Jedi #0, and it lists the Era as Before the Republic (36,000-25,000 Years Before The Battle of Yavin)

The descriptor is: This is an ancient time, lost in the annals of history. It is a time before the great Republic united the galaxy. A time before the first Jedi emerged to serve as the guardians of peace and justice. In this era, mysterious alien civilizations with unimaginable powers ruled their own dominions.

It also has it's own symbol, which can be seen on the cover image scene on Dark Horse Comics site. I'd link to it, but wikia doesn't seem to want to let me. It's the symbol on the cover in the upper left just under the Lucas Logo.Jmanleyb

Publishing Era needs its own page?

Now that the Before the Republic Era is an official publishing era, should it have a separate page listing its works, similar to the other publishing eras?Jmanleyb 19:20, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

NOT the Early Hyperspace Age? Also, "pre-Republic ages"

The current version of this page claims that the "Early Hyperspace Age" is another name for the "Pre-Republic era", citing Attack of the Clones Incredible Cross-Sections as the source. However, upon reviewing said source (page 3, to be specific), I do not find it explicitly mentioned that the Early Hyperspace Age is another name for the Pre-Republic era. At best, there are possible implications that both time periods occur around the same time and––if we assume the phrase "pre-Republic ages" refers to the Pre-Republic era––that they share similar characteristics, but there is also a possible implication that the Early Hyperspace Age refers to the time period between the Pre-Republic era & the Clone Wars (or, perhaps, a period shortly before it), beginning when "the exploitation of hyperdrive technology … united the galaxy". Additionally, if we assume (as opposed to presume) that both time periods share similar (and implied) characteristics, we cannot with certainty state that they have the same characteristics. What are those characteristics? The Cross-Sections book notes that the characteristics of "the Early Hyperspace Age" includes (Explicitly) the presence of "quintillions of engineering pioneers", (Implied Only) the presence of "Artistic expression and raw practicality", (Implied Only) the establishment of certain design standards ("basic attributes of starflight" for "25,000 years"), & (Implied Only) a "tolerant diversity of millions of planetary cultures, expressed in … local styles of starship design". It is further implied that the impact of this time period was being undone by "political deadlock", "commercial organizations", & "bitter secessionism" that the Separatists helped bring to the Clone Wars. On the other hand, the "pre-Republic ages" involved "a hierarchy of power technologies that were perfected" at that time and (unlike the Early Hyperspace Age) are heavily implied to be reflected in the ships of the Clones Wars, notably the Acclamator-class transport depicted in-book --NewbieAgain 3:01 pm, 23 June 2025 (UTC)