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I thought I would try to add more to the Buzz Droid page and try to flush out some details, using sources from Star Wars books and web sites, As for the creator of the Buzz Droid Colla Designs, Phlac-Arphocc Automata Industries it is based on the fact that the Tri-Droids (who deploy the Buzz Droids) are build by them as well, any help will not be turned away :-) --sithlord123 15:50, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Is there any evidence that they are conceptually related to Grutchins, who appeared in material released just a few years earlier?

History section

   "Artoo, hit the buzz droid's center eye."
   —Obi-Wan Kenobi to R2-D2

Shouldn't this be in the Design and function section? Isn't that where the weakness in the droid's center eye should be mentioned?

During the Second Battle of Coruscant, Obi-Wan Kenobi's Jedi interceptor was covered in a swarm of buzz droids, which destroyed his astromech droid, R4-P17. His former Padawan, Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, tried to save him by blasting the buzz droids off, which only resulted in the loss of most of Obi-Wan's left wing. Anakin then tried to scrape the droids off, which destroyed most of the buzz droids still active. However, a lone buzz droid came over to Anakin's interceptor. His astromech, R2-D2, destroyed the buzz droid by hitting it in its central eye with an electric pike. The buzz droid bounced over Anakin's fighter and was jetted away when it fell behind the engines.

Is that an important part of the buzz droid's history? Should that be mentioned in the article? Sounds more like a partial summary of Episode 3. Emperor Maakurder 's comlink 14:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

  • On the quote: No, it's fine where it is. On the section itself: It's the most famous battle in which they were used, at least in the OOU Star Wars timeline. So, to sum both up: They're fine. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 15:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • This entire wiki is necesarily biased towards OOU (Out Of Universe?) so I guess I don't have a problem.64.235.77.3 02:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

One problem...

It says somewhere that they communicated via chattering. Well, er, there is no sound in space, their main area of operations. Yes, I know space battles in SW are the noisest things imaginable, and yes, sound in space is shown in the films for dramatic effect, but still. Perhaps they communicate wirelessly and the chattering is used to represent this. I don't know. Can someone help? Unit 8311 13:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

    • Eh, um... Maybe they only do that inside an atmosphere... and use some other means to communicate in space? HavetStorm 21:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Grutchins

Could it be said that these are a mechanical equivalent of Grutchins? Or Grutchins an organic equivalent of Buzz droids... YIIMM 21:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

One thing that always bothers me

Why do Obi-Wan, Anakin, and R2 go to all of the trouble of manually (i.e. with their ships/R2) removing/destroying the buzz droids, when all they would have to do is use the Force to push them away/destroy them? Adamwankenobi 00:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

  • Because they're too busy using the Force to keep their ships from hitting something while flying in a straight line for all that time :) Gonk (Gonk!) 00:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
    • LOL! True. Adamwankenobi 00:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
      • I had the same idea when seeing Ep3 for the first time. But read Force Push! It is working in atmosphere only! Man, that must be bothersome for a Jedi. muuaahaahaaa-cough-cough-haahaa.--TeakHoken91.7.45.6 18:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
        • Don't restart old topics. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
          • ? Old topic? Please explain.--TeakHoken91.7.8.78 08:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
            • It's over a month old. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 14:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
              • I had the ultimate answer to the posed question. And I shouldn't have given my information to the public because the topic is older than a few days? Do you really mean that?--TeakHoken91.7.42.197 18:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
                • The "ultimate answer"? Yeah, right. Now you're just making this topic pointless. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
                  • I know that you cannot read old entries, so I will quote the main statements for you: Adamwankenobi:"...Why do [they] go to all of the trouble... when all they would have to do is use the Force to push them away...?" TeakHoken: "...read Force Push! It is working in atmosphere only!". And Jack, I helped this discussion, YOU didn't. What you did really doesn't help a wiki. It is just childish.--TeakHoken91.7.35.5 21:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
                    • Look who's talking, Mr. Spacetroopers Go Into Space Just To Take A Dump. I'm done numerous things to improve this wiki. Now, you answered Adamwankenobi's question, so enough. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 23:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
                      • Well, thanks for an answer... Adamwankenobi 23:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
                        • You're welcome, Adamwankenobi. I am just asking myself why Jack never told me what I should have done instead of answering you. And I will never understand why it is so bad to make a joke about spacetroopers. What is a communication without some little joke here and there? I think it was pretty easy to see that I never really assumed this thing about spacepoopers (retroactive joke warning). I know that you are doing very much for Wookieepedia, Jack. But why don't you focus on using your SW knowledge for improving articles? Instead you are advising people of voidnesses.
To the real topic: My answer was not the ultimate one. (Yes, I can say that I made a mistake.) Anakin and Obi-Wan's could have used force grip, for example. At Hoth, Vader once killed Admiral Ozzel via Intercom with the Force. Jedi can levitate things, too. On Dagobah, Luke let R2D2 fly. So it is possible to move droids with the force. And in this case, it seemed that the air had no active role in the process, unlike it is the case when one uses Force Push. And why couldn't Anakin simply blast them with his starfighter cannons? Jedi can reflect blaster bolts with a lightsaber, BLIND! Luke hit a 2-meter target with a proton torpedo at much higher speed, BLIND! Let the force flow through your body and everything can be done! Or did Obi-Wan's starfighter shields protect the sabotage droid? Well, Anakin could have told Obi-Wan to shut them off for he can blast the droid away. And the droid on Anakins starfighter was electrified by R2D2, and seemed not to be protected from this by any shield.
And sure there is another option: The screenplay is dumb. (very personal opinion warning, Lucas gushers please don't read further) I think the whole beginning of EP3 is irritating. First the powerlessness against the sabotage droids. And after landing in grievous' ship the battle droids not acting like BATTLE droids multiple times. They always tell the Jedi to surrender, and then they wait for the Jedi to cut themselves (the droids) in half. I know it is a trap, set for the Jedi. But why make the trap that obvious plus waste droids? I mean - how shall droids capture Jedi when they (the droids) are not allowed to shoot? And why send pistoeka sabotage droids against the Jedi who shall go into the trap if there is a good chance that the Jedi will loose (as they are obviously a little bit over-challenged by the droid attack) and never come far enough to activate the trap? I don't understand the events of EP3's beginning. You can call me dumb - or call the screenplay dumb.--TeakHoken91.7.29.44 16:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
  • "But why don't you focus on using your SW knowledge for improving articles?" Shut up, Teak. You know damn well that I do that. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 17:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
    • In this particular discussion, you didn't. That's a fact. If you can not add anything significant to this topic, then please don't post. I said that I know that you have done much for wookieepedia. Didn't I? Didn't I? And apart from that: general reputation doesn't save you from acting wrong. Example: Anakin Skywalker saved the galaxy multiple times. But I wouldn't celebrate him after killing Obi-Wan. If you really want to impress me, then please, double please, tell me what I should have done instead of answering Adamwankenobi's question. If you cannot, I can't force you. In fact, nobody forced you to tell me that I made a mistake, but not to tell me how I could have made it better. @all others: Sorry that I have to do this here. But I finally want to get done with this.--TeakHoken91.7.44.3 12:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Again, shut up. You're not doing anything to improve this discussion any more. Stop replying to it. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 13:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
        • Anakin and Obi-Wan even could have braked suddenly. Or made some fast turnarounds. The Pistoekas don't have any magnets or grapple feet like Grievous has. So they would have been catapulted away. We can see that this would happen when one of them is knocked out and slowly slides over the deck of Anakins Starfighter. And apart from that: the almighty (I know this is almost exaggerated) R2D2 is with them! After knocking out the Droids on Anakins Starfighter, he could have rocketed over to Obi-Wan's, to help the looser - I mean - Jedi Master, in his hopeless situation. And after all - I mean before everything - where are the superhuman reflexes of the Jedi? Why didn't they blast away the Droids before they reached them? They were almost in one line with their cannons! In a custom mission in X-Wing Alliance, I can blast around 100 R2D2's in 5 minutes. And they aren't bigger than a womp rat. And R2D2 is more mighty than a buzz droid. And I am no Jedi (although many believe that).--TeakHoken91.7.41.141 18:29, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
          • Okay, buzz droids obviously must have some form of magnets otherwise they wouldn't be able to fix themselves to starfighters, which bear in mind are constantly moving at a very fast pace. If the buzz droids had no magnets, they would just be unable to get a foothold and slide away. It's simple physics. And your example of the one destroyed by R2 and sliding away from the starfighter is somewhat flawed, as the magnets probably deactivated when R2 zapped it. And as for the video game--well, come on, it's just game mechanics. You must bear in mind that the Jedi were flying through a full-scale space battle, so they'd probably have a hard time with concentrating on not crashing into any ships, dodging laser fire and other starfighters, keeping the systems of the starfighter in working order, and trying to push off buzz droids. Besides, if they tried to push off the buzzs, they'd probably take away a chunk of the starfighter as well. Unit 8311 19:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
            • Magnets would explain a lot. And many of the possibilities to defeat the buzz droids wouldn't work. However, magnets would make some problems. We know that the Droids in Star Wars are working with electric power. And I assume that their brain is working with electricity, too. Like our electronic computers. But we know that a strong magnetic field would be very bad for a computer - and for the droids brain. The buzz droid would need a very strong magnetic field to attach itself to a fast moving starfighter. So it's own brain must be protected from magnetism. As magnetic and electric fields are somehow the same (think of "electromagnetism"), it would have been very difficult for R2D2 to deactivate the droid with electricity. However, this might be an explanation for the fact, that R2 had to aim for the droid's eye. I think the eye, as a sensor, has a very strong link to the droid's brain. So it maybe a weak point that allows you to send a lot of electricity past the mechanism that protects the pistoeka's brain from electromagnetism.--TeakHoken91.7.50.14 18:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
              • Actually, it might not be magnets at all. I think the ROTS ICS says that they are suction cups. Unit 8311 17:07, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
                • If you ask me, this is nonsense. If you look at the hands of the droid, there is only one without a tool. Then this would be the one with the suction cups. But you cannot walk with one leg!--TeakHoken91.7.29.217 22:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
                • You can't get suction in the vacuum of space. jSarek 00:16, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
                  • That's a good point. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 00:18, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
                    • Well, the battle is set in the upper atmosphere, according to the DVD commentary, so I suppose suction could be possible. Perhaps it used some adhesive material? Unit 8311 12:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
                      • Actually, the battle is set in space above the atmosphere, as the damaged Invisible Hand enters the atmosphere after falling toward the planet. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 13:51, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
                          • Hang on, after checking the ROTS ICS, I've found that they had a magnetic pad which 'helped them to gain a foothold'. Presumably they used their legs to further gain a grip. Problem solved. Unit 8311 14:45, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
                            • Wow. I didn't realize at first. But do you know what that means? The hull of most starships must be made of magnetic material! And there are very few materials which are magnetic. And most of them loose their magnetism if their are alloyed. For example iron is magnetic, but stainless steel is not. And some of the magnetic materials are poor in rigidity and other characteristics that are important for a ship's hull. So maybe we can find out which material it is.--TeakHoken91.7.14.39 19:36, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
                                • Ah, come on. It's sci-fi fantasy. Do you really expect attention to scientific detail? :-) Unit 8311 19:51, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
                                  • Yes, I do. I think SCIENCE fiction should be scientifically correct, or at least based on science. And fantasy always has magic and normal things and creatures. I would say a droid should be in the latter Category:Not magic -> ruled by the laws of physics -> using magnetism as we know it.--TeakHoken91.7.7.164 17:13, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
                                      • Well, you have to bear in mind that scientific accuracy in SW is restricted by the writer's attention to detail. After all, it's supposed to be entertainment, not a science lesson. Unit 8311 17:17, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
                                        • After all, in real life, fire can't exist in space and sound can't travel in space. In Star Wars Tech on the History Channel, scientists went on to explain that these unrealistic things happen in Star Wars merely so the space battles seem more interesting to the viewer. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 23:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
                                          • But how do the scientists know that these are unintended mistakes? Maybe you know I have a theory that the star wars space is filled with a small concentration of air. And exactly these mistakes are speaking for my theory. I think we have two possibilities:
A) It's just a movie! Then we should shut down our PCs and live our lifes.
B) There is an explanaition for everything. So it's up to us nerds to find it.
To A): This doesn't only apply for scientifical things. For example: Assuming that the laws of physics are different in the star wars universe. Then maybe the nature of, e.g., TIME, is totally different from ours. In this case, maybe citations like "the Jedi defended the republic for a thousand years" and "the republic lasted for just 200 years" (just random examples) are both true. Or, in this case, whats the point for calculating events on the BBY-ABY-timeline? Maybe one year is not as long as the following or the past! And if you say: Some of the laws are the same in star wars, some not, then which ones?--TeakHoken91.7.23.61 18:14, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
  • There's no air in space. It's scientifically impossible. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
    • IIRC, George Lucas himself said that there is sound in space in SW just to make it more entertaining. Are you going to argue with The Almighty One? :-) Unit 8311 11:18, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
      • Good. Then let's switch to A). Although that means what I said. We cannot count that anything in Star Wars follows any rules we know. Even if we think that the rules are unbreakable. Death maybe living. Tomorrow maybe yesterday. Vacuum may carry sound. Plastic maybe magnetic. Suction cups may work in vacuum. But then whats the point for the BBY-ABY-time scale? Does the difference between near-human and alien matter, as both are scientific, and thus not reliable? Does Yoda's species really matter? Species is a scientific term, nothing else. So it's really nothing if science does not count in star wars.--TeakHoken91.7.10.129 12:35, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
  • If it is true that Force Push is able to work in atmosphere only, this would not have prevented Obi-Wan or Anakin from using the Force to "move" the droids off of them. The Jedi shadow bomb was basically a proton torpedo with no propulsion. Its only method of being moved was by using the Force to direct it to a target in space. So the idea of not being able to move objects in space ... is out the window! Sure it may have been a little difficult, but it's either that or SUCK VACUUM! (Chente 20:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC))

Second image.

Any chance someone could upload a better version of the second image, with the buzz droids more visible? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 23:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Question

Do you guys think these droids will appear in the upcoming Star Wars: The Force Unleashed video game in the junk yard planet where you fight the junk golems and such made by the jedi, since it says that many droids were sent to junk yards? Dark Ridley 16:24, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

  • It's doubtful. I wouldn't recommend putting any speculation about this into the article, if that's what you're thinking. Unit 8311 17:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

What's the point of buzz droids?

I understand the cinematic aspect of the scene, and that it was to show the relationship between Anakin and Obi-wan, but is there a stupider way to show it? Let me explain what the basic concept seems to be: A missile, packed not with explosives, rather with little robots, is designed to overshoot a fighter (the very fighter it had been established was nearly capable of outrunning said missile) and then burst, expecting the now-behind fighter to continue through the maybe-dissipating field of little robots. At this point, the robots try to latch on, and then (rather slowly) drill through the victim, one by one disabling systems.

Every part of that makes no sense. 1: Why should the ship that fired the missiles want to disable the enemy ship? hadn't they just been a dogfight, in which they were attempting to destroy each other? 2: Why would you design a missile to overshoot the enemy? If the guidance system was strong enough to reach the ship in the first place, why relegate it's purpose to that of an odd flak system? And why, presuming the escaping fighter passed through the field (Obi-Wan had just been evading the missiles, then he just straightens out as the missile gets close enough to kill him? And keeps going?) wouldn't the buzz droids explode?

"Oh but they are supposed to disable enemy fighters, not destroy them," you say "the CIS would capture the ships and analyze them for intelligence purposes." Fine, lets ignore the difficulty of recovering a disabled ship during a quick, high speed assault whos goal is the capture of an enemy commander, not intel. Why does the droid not drill into the cockpit and depressurize it? I'd assume the droid would disable the life support systems in it's regular pattern anyway, how about kill the pilot before he can react to the droid's presence? I'm not saying that disabling other fighters is pointless, but this is the most complicated, convoluted, and untimatley flawed way. Just use an ion cannon. Simple, effective, cheap (if the Diamond boron missile is any clue, using energy weapons is almost always preferred). And the droids could even be worthwhile if, say, they were laid out like mines and left to drift throughout the battle.

Thus ends my sleep deprived rant. I apologise. 70.179.98.58 05:18, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Shield Penetration

The article says they can penetrate generic "starship" shields, as opposed to (specific term) "starfighter" shields which we all know to be movie canon. Is there a source that has them sabotaging capital ships? If so, the exact source should probably be referenced numerically. Seems like a pretty big distinction to me since different shield types are involved. Also, were there extenuating circumstances involved (like the shields already being weakened)? I have a hard time buying these little gremlins getting through fully charged particle shields when proton torpedoes have a hard time of it. —Unsigned comment by 70.27.176.112 (talk • contribs)

I meant the term "starship" is generic, with "starfighters" being a subset. Sorry, it was 5 AM when I posted. Starfighters are usually only equipped with ray shields (which guard against energy weapons), whereas capital ships employ those as well as particle shields (which guard against physical objects). I'm asking which of the attached sources states that sabotage droids can penetrate capital ship shields, and if so what size of ship was involved. If there isn't such a source, then "starship" is to broad a label.

What's the source of them penetrating shields? All I remember seeing in Ep 3 was them attacking Obi-Wan & Anakin's Eta-2 interceptors. But Eta-2s don't have shields. — Red XIV (talk) 19:07, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, I got TNEGTD the other day and it says so. — Red XIV (talk) 01:21, January 13, 2010 (UTC)