Talk: New Order/Legends

Alternate Quote

I think that perhaps this quote from Palpatine's speech quoted in Republic HoloNet News Special Inaugural Edition 16:5:241, though a bit long, might serve to better introduce the article:

Opinions? jSarek 07:48, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

• Good quote. It shows what the Empire stands for. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:55, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
  • I think I'm going to be bold and make the change. If anyone thinks it's a bad idea, feel free to revert. jSarek 09:48, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
    • That's a very good quote. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:09, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

CULTURE

Didn't the X-Wing books suggest that Imperial culture was sophisticated and snobbish. Wine snobbery, rascim, classism, etc, etc. Kinda like British culture. At least in the upper classes. 169.244.70.146 15:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• I think so, but I don't think that was really the case. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I think the culture that you are referring to was the culture of the upperclass of Coruscant. Look at the opera scene in ROTS. It would be a political strategy to have all of the people focus on a lack of materialism because they were not going to get that much in the first place. Why have them wanting? Stinkywookie 19:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
    • Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
• I agree with the anon here. This article takes a far too simplistic and monolithic view of the Empire. The politics of the Imperial Court were complicated and factionalized--the COMPNOR types (i.e. Pestage) competed against the aristocratic authoritarians (i.e. Dangor) who competed against the military types (i.e. Vader). There's ample evidence for high culture, including the traditions of the Imperial operas, numerous soirees and fêtes shown in the comics, and even the whole spiel on the upper crust that the 'Imperial officer' section of WotC's Heroes Guide gets into. Presuming that this minimalistic approach that the Outer Rim militarist types popularize characterizes the entire Empire is foolish at best. This line is particularly awful: "A good example would be the Imperial Palace a tall building made to look like a fortress and with no major architectual designing done." Sorry, but that's ridiculous. Every source has characterized the beauty of the building--I direct you to the two paragraphs on the matter in I, Jedi that talks about the sophistication and artistic grandeur of the building's design. --GrandAdmiralJello 07:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • You are more than welcome to change it. QuentinGeorge 08:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Chauvenism

I think more needs to be said on why the New Order was so disgustingly chauvenist. Has it ever really been discussed?? Perhaps similarities should be drawn between the Nazis and the Empire; did Nazis allow women in their military, how did women rank in the Third Reich, etc. These answers could possibly be used to explain why the Empire is so chauvenist. --Promus Kaa^{(Rebel Merchant)}

• The Empire was less sexist than the Third Reich. They had female admirals, a female head of Imperial Intelligence, and so forth. But yeah, that section should be expanded. -LtNOWIS 03:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
• The Empire was really not as chauvinist as you're suggesting. Domus Publica has an essay on this subject, and there are a lot of females in high positions that it brings up. A male-oriented bias, sure, but "disgustingly chauvinistic" is hyperbole. - Lord Hydronium 04:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I agree. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Promus Kaa, please don't restart old topics, even if it just means putting your signature on a post. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Height

Here's my reasoning on when the New Order was at its height:

• At 1 BBY the Death Star wasn't a ring-o-fire yet
• The Galactic Civil War was just beginning
• The Great Jedi Purge had ended

No1StarWarsfan 22:00, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

• That doesn't mean the New Order was at its height. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite

I think its better to rewrite this article. i think Italian fascism in wikipedia could be a model for this article. —Unsigned comment by 59.92.84.18  (talk • contribs)

• Other than expansion and switching the location of the "History" and "Ideology" subsections, what do you suggest? jSarek 19:16, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
  • I think the article's fine as-is. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:37, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

start

so waz the new order like the start of the empire? Clonetroop125 01:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

• The New Order was the sociopolitical ideology underpinning the Empire, roughly in the same way that the idea of Nazism underpinned WWII-era Germany. jSarek 02:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
  • To sum that up, the New Order was the policy of the Empire. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 17:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Behind The Scenes

People should add "BTS" point in the article. New order or Neue Ordnung is well known Nazi Germany political strategy, and, since most things of the Empire are influenced by Nazis, it would be reconizable to tell that too. (80.220.94.166 21:23, 12 June 2008 (UTC))

from imperial dark jedi

I think we should add that the new order has many supporters on many planet people such Thrawn ,Tarkin and others supported this ideolody and that is diffrent from the Sith ideology because this ideology focuses on the superiority of humans and near humans and that it has some support from a part of the people NOTE: do not think that is evil actualy is a very good ideology despite its errors

Chauvanism sourced

Is there any actual in-universe acknowledgement of this, or is it simply people interpreting? I mean, i can understand if there is a source where someone in-universe says something (like daala mentioning how much harder it was to get rank or a male officer stopping a female from being promoted until a higher ranking officer notices), but otherwise it just seems conjecture (my understanding of the lack of female officers in the movies was a casting bias problem). This opposed to anti-alien bias which was well documented in various sources (most notably Thrawn). Manoof (talk) 12:37, November 10, 2013 (UTC)