Talk: Mohrgan Fel

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Article milestones
Date	Process	Result
December 8, 2007	Good article nomination	Success
December 15, 2007	Good article by Havac
March 29, 2025	Good article review	Probation
May 01, 2025	Good article on probation
June 08, 2025	Former Good article

Current status: Former Good article

Main image

Can someone scan (and rotate) the image where he says "Imperial Knights! Save your Emperor" in Legacy 8? I would, but that page of my comic is a little messed up; it has printing artifacts, some vertical scratch lines that go down the page. Anyway, I think this would be the best main image. -- Ozzel 05:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Mine also has the same artifacts, which is why I went with this one instead. Vryce 05:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Fel Family?

My reasoning for removing the Fel Family group is that he may not be properly considered to be a part of the Fel family (the Solo children aren't considered to be part of the Skywalker family per say). For example, if he's on Roan Fel's maternal side of the family, he may not be considered to be a part of the dynasty. Vryce 06:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

I was trying to think of ways that he could be Roan's cousin without being a Fel, and that was actually one possibility that hadn't occured to me. I was going to say that we do have cases like part of the Solo branch being listed on the Skywalker family page and a few other instances, but if your suggestion there were the case, saying Morghan is in the Fel family is like Ben being considered a member of the House of Solo. I'll change it back. - Lord Hydronium 06:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
- That was what I was thinking exactly. Personally (pure speculation), I think he's probably "Mohrgan Fel," but we don't have confirmation as yet. I apologize for not explaining my reasoning before changing the page.Vryce 06:15, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
  - Yeah, we'd better wait for confirmation. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:01, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Why was the BTS header removed, given that the last part is just fan speculation?Vryce 19:04, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
- It's not really "Behind the scenes" information. It's based off of canon, and it's written to fit with the IU style of the article. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
He may have been the offspring of two races of Humans or adopted considering his darker skin tone. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- Quite possible, though I think that's more of the colorist in the newer issues who seems to have a different color schema than whomever Jan Duursema was paired with (too tired to go look). In issue 1 he looks more similar in skintone to Roan Fel in my opinion. Vryce 06:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  - Of course, though not as drastic as confusing Deliah Blue with Marasiah Fel. Oops. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
    - Yeah... My first thought when they did that was "They better hope that the Fel line isn't descended from Jaina, or else we'll have cousin ****ing jokes apleanty." Vryce 07:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Death image

Why was this removed? Was the image dramatically changed? It's not even mentioned on that image's talk page. Cull Tremayne 03:17, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Doesn't seem to be modified in any way. Re-adding. Cull Tremayne 12:06, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
- The image is much lighter than in the actual comic. It's clearly been modified. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
  - You're kidding right? It looks almost exact on mine. A brightness issue is probably due to the printing, it doesn't make the image non-canon. Cull Tremayne 23:44, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
    - It means it was fan-modified. I have the comic right in front of me. It's not at all that bright. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:37, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
      - I don't see a significant brightness difference between the comic and the image. The only thing I could fault it on is cropping off some of the blank white space at the top of the panel. Vryce 00:42, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        Vryce, I'm looking at the comic right now. It's nowhere near as bright, not even in the light. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        Perhaps the image comes across brighter on your monitor than it does on mine. Vryce 00:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        On my monitor, it only shows a fan-modified version of the image. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        Like I've said, this could be a printing issue with your comic making it less bright. It doesn't mean it's fan-modified. Quit removing it. There's no reason to believe that it's fan-modified. And even if it is, our policy is fine to modify images if the main space is not changed. Which it ISN'T in this case. So stop being stubborn, admit that you're wrong in this scenario and move on. Cull Tremayne 00:51, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        The only thing that's wrong here is that you're adding fanart to this article. You're at fault, not me. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        Jack, since you have the comic right in front of you, can you answer a question about it? Have the colors been altered in any way? Or does the image just appear to have been brightened some? - JMAS 00:54, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        Is there perhaps a neutral mediator we can appeal to soas to avoid unnecessary conflict? Vryce 00:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        If the colors are different, then the image can be construed as fan-modified, and I would say Jack's statements hold. A simple brightening of an image is not modification, if that is the case, the image should stay. - JMAS 00:58, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

It looks different in your comic, and your conclusion is "It's clearly been modified". Do you see how one-sided and subjective that is?
It doesn't look super bright compared to the image on my comic. Vryce seems to think so as well. That's really two against one. Once again, what am I missing here? Remember, your word is not law.
Even if it has been brightened (which I still contest that it hasn't), why does that mean the image must be removed? That's not against our image policy.

The only one acting in the wrong here is you, and I'm sorry that you're so stubborn that you're unable to see it, and must resort to personal attacks when you can't get your way. Cull Tremayne 01:00, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

As I mentioned it appears to me (remembering that monitor displays differ), that the colors are the same, with negligible difference in brightness. The only issue I would have with it being different is that there appears to be some blank whiteness cropped from the top. Again however, I realize that I'm a)using a different monitor and b)different browser than others. Vryce 01:05, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Vryce had you seen this discussion? It seems that minor edits of images is allowed from this CT, so that should be fine. Cull Tremayne 01:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  - Let me explain. By saying it's brighter, it looks to me as if the colors were changed (for example, Mohrgan's armor appears to be a light shade of red, rather than just the same color, but brighter). And let's admit it, Tremayne: Neither of us were trying to come to a compromise. We're both at fault. And one more thing: Don't call me stubborn, because you were equally stubborn as well. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 01:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
  - I had, which is why I didn't object to it. I merely stated that if I were to have an objection, that would be it. Vryce 01:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
    - Why're we fighting over this? I'm the one that scanned the image, and it is a tad brighter than what is printed, but I blame that on my scanner. I will admit though, that I did crop out the useless blank white. My only intentions were to capture Mohrgan's death, not edit or modify to create all this trouble. Sato Stars 03:33, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
      - So you say that your scanner is the problem. Then perhaps we need someone else to scan that very same image and upload it in place of this one. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        Just so you know, Sato Stars, cropping out blank white space is just fine. If you hadn't done it, some else would have. - JMAS 19:09, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        So, would anyone else be able to scan the image and upload it? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:07, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
        I just didn't want my image stirring up controversy, jsut trying to clear it up. My bad. Sato Stars 02:27, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
        If it bothers you so badly that it's going to turn you into a troll, Jack, be constructive and scan it yourself. Minor color variations are not only acceptable, they're *inevitable*, especially since the comics themselves aren't always perfectly consistent from book to book, let alone the fact that various scanners scan, and various monitors display, images somewhat differently. jSarek 05:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
        1) Stop calling me a troll already. I'm not. 2) I don't have a scanner. How do you propose I scan it now? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:03, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
        I don't know why you're acting like I've been calling you that before; until recently, I haven't found your behavior to be trollish (though I have found it to be unreasonably stubborn at times), and thus haven't called you such ever until now. However, in recent talk page discussions such as this one, you have been more and more obstinate about less and less important things, to the point where it seems that your goal is disruption itself - which is the very definition of trolling. As for the rest of my comment, it was borne more of my irritation than anything; as someone without a working scanner myself, I can understand being limited in that way. jSarek 12:40, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
        If all you're going to say is something rude like that ("it seems your goal is disruption itself"), keep it to yourself. I don't care what you think of me. All I need to know is that your opinion of me is wrong. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
        As I said, it hasn't always been. Are you forgetting who advocated attempting some sort of trial adminship for you when everyone else wanted to vote you down and forget it? From where I sit, it seems you've been acting differently lately, more obstructive and negative, and that's unfortunate for a number of reasons. You may not care for what I think, but if your actions convince enough people of the same, it would not be a good thing. jSarek 10:52, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
        I've been acting the same as I always do, jSarek. It's clear to me that acting nice on every matter doesn't get me anywhere, which is why that attitude change never worked. If you see me as a troll, then I'm sorry, but that's just your opinion (and McEwok's as well; might as well go discuss that with him if you think so strongly that I'm a troll), and not who I am. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:01, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
        In addition, being called a troll hurts. I am, after all, the second biggest contributor to Wookieepedia. I've said this to new users who criticize me, but I never thought I'd say this to you, jSarek: Show some respect. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:18, 23 February 2007 (UTC)