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Battle

I'd like to put together a page for the battle where the Katana fleet was discovered and claimed. We don't know where it occured...so would a good title be Battle for the Katana fleet?

It's a major turning point in the Thrawn campaign, and we don't know where it was, so i'd say that would do. -- SFH 05:42, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- "Battle for the Dark Force" would also be a good (and appropriately creepy) redirect. :) Thanos6 05:44, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
It's referred to as the Battle for the Katana fleet in The Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook. jSarek 06:53, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
- I thought there was already a page for it. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:38, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

The battle for the Katana Fleet took place in the middle of deep space, the void between stars

Yes, but "Battle in the Middle of Deep Space, the Void Between Stars" isn't the best of titles - Kwenn 18:36, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Ship Count

Wondering about the count on the ships acquired by each side. Does the 8 the new republic got include the 6 that Garm Bel Iblis's group had already bought? -Finlayson 18:16, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
- There were 15 Katana Dreadnaughts were left to recover after the Battle for the Katana fleet, plus one that was destroyed in the battle. Add to that the 6 in Bel Iblis's fleet, and you account for the 22 that Thrawn didn't get. Thus, assuming that (as is likely, but not explicitly stated in canon) all 15 were repaired and put into service, the Republic got 21 Katana Dreadnaughts and Thrawn got 178. Red XIV 05:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Karrde says there are 15 Dreadnaughts before the Imperial reenforcements arrive.  Then one is destroyed when it rammed the Peremptory.  So that leaves 14 for the Republic.  With Bel Ilbis's 6 that leaves 20 for the Republic which means Thrawn got 179.  I think this should be changed on the main page.

The reference books The Essential Atlas and The Essential Guide to Warfare both use the 178 figure. Possibly one turned out to be completely unsalvageable. --2A00:23C5:B7CA:5100:855:1F60:3E27:B5CF 21:33, December 21, 2017 (UTC)

Heir to the Empire

It was mentioned by Han Solo in this book.

Right, just added that. -Finlayson 18:00, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Aftermath?

Anyone know what became of the fleet after Heir to the Empire? That many ships -not to mention the clones crewing them had to go somewhere.Tocneppil 18:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Unfinished?

Is it me or is this article totally not finished? There's plenty of appearances listed for the fleet after The Last Command but no history or information on them. Mike Zimbouski 21:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

question

why does it say there is conflicting canonical sources? Outbound flight does not even mention the katana fleet? - Izquierdista 08:28, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Read the Behind the scenes section. The problem is with when the Katana fleet actually was created and lost. -- DarkJedi613 ^(Talk) 20:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Garm's Dreadnoughts

When did Garm Bel Iblis buy his six Dreadnoughts? It was before or after the Battle of Endor?

Unidentified ship discovering Katana Fleet

In Dark Force Rising (comics) in the flashback part, where Talon Karrde explains Mara Jade, how he discovered famous Katana Fleet there is a small smuggler ship he was aboard chased by 2 Carrack-class light cruisers. Anybody knows what is the type or class of that small ship? It would be nice to include that info to this article and others as well. Thank you.--Jedi Marty 14:28, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Alternate explanation

What if the the information about Outbound Flight was somehow uploaded to the computer archives (via Holonet, maybe?), after the Fleet was lost but some of the automated systems were still active? Dangerdan97 21:46, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. The holonet is nearly omnipresent in the galaxy. An automated update is plausible. The Outbound flight info certainly shouldn't supersede the info a military general states about a well known military loss. I am going to reword the BTS to treat both sources equally until a official resolution becomes present. IthinkIwannaLeia^WaddaUthink? 22:59, January 13, 2012 (UTC)

It's reaching. If the Holonet works anything like the internet, or indeed, any modern communication system, then it's a two-way process. The Katana's holonet transceiver would need to be sending requests and "packet received" confirmations to the nearest relay point. It should have been possible to use that to localize and retrieve the fleet. The alternative - that library computer updates are simply broadcast throughout the whole galaxy - seems rather implausible given how expensive the system is supposed to be. And I find it very hard to believe that a military computer would download and store anything that it hadn't specifically requested. That's an obvious vector for a viral attack.

Timeline: can we finally solve this?

Now that the Legends continuity is over, I think we can safely assume no new information (possibly contradictory information) will be released about the Katana fleet, so maybe it's time we look at all our sources serenely.

The BTS section of this article currently says that "The New Essential Chronology sets the fleet's launch following the Stark Hyperspace War, but does not implicitly state it was lost the same year, although the implication is that it was lost before 44 BBY." As far as I can tell, this is inaccurate. In The New Essential Chronology, the launch of the Katana fleet is mentioned on page 33, in a paragraph that places it in 46 BBY and clearly before the Stark Hyperspace War. We thus have not one but two sources (Pellaeon's recollections and The New Essential Chronology) that tell us it was launched in 46 BBY.

Now, there's the matter of the Katana computer archives containing data about the destruction of Outbound Flight, which we know only happened in 27 BBY. Thing is, although this seems to be a contradiction, it does not really matter. Indeed, saying that Katana computers were automatically updated after the fleet was lost is speculation, but saying it couldn't have happened is just as speculative. All we know is that this information was present in the Katana archives by 9 ABY. How and why? We don't know, and we can't speculate. We can only state that fact.

I've been wanting to rewrite the article for a while, and perhaps bring it to status in the near future. If nobody disagrees with the above reasoning—which, in my opinion, respects the sources and leans on the cautious side—I'm going to rework the article accordingly, stating that the fleet was launched and lost in 46 BBY, and that information regarding Outbound Flight somehow appeared in its archives as of 9 ABY. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 10:36, March 13, 2017 (UTC)