Talk: Jorus C'baoth

Article milestones Date Process Result June 9, 2007 Good article nomination Success June 17, 2007 Good article by Greyman January 18, 2009 Good article review Removed February 15, 2009 Former Good article
Current status: Former Good article

Assassination

Is this right, that the assassination plot was directed at Palpatine? I read elsewhere that he was the one behind the assassination (Outbound Flight Project), which does not jibe. --Maru 21:06, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

He staged an assassination plot on himself. He's done it before, with the Jedi Ronhar Kim. --QuentinGeorge 21:11, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I should have been more specific- the OFP page led me to believe that Palpatine was less than pleased that his plot was foiled, although he should have been if he was indeed the target, the foiling of which would have then been the desired result. So who is wrong here, and what is the source? --Maru 03:34, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have corrected the other page. It should be noted that it was actually Palpatine under the guise of Sidious that orderered the attempt, and the foiling of it was part of his plans. Just think about the staged "rescue" at the beginning of ROTS. Palpatine/Sidious was never in any actual danger, but that's not what everyone else would think.QuentinGeorge 05:54, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Image

We really should remove the image, as it's of Joruus C'baoth, not Jorus. --LtNOWIS 00:51, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is there an image of Jorus floating about? --Silly Dan 00:57, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Not that I know of. Jorus has only appeared in the novel of Cloak of Deception so far, however his appearance was described as basically a big, white haired and bearded Jedi, so I guess he looks kinda similar. --QuentinGeorge 01:03, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, Joruus is a clone of Jorus, you should expect them to look alot alike. --Maru 04:01, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, but one was a renknowned Jedi Master, and the other was an insane hermit who had been living inside a mountain for half a century. Kuralyov 17:51, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Correction: the one was an ambitious, powerful, Force-user and Master who was also gregarious, political, and manipulative, who lived in luxury and the other... wait, actually, that goes for both of them. But Joruus was not a hermit (witness the whole, y'know, 'ruling a kingdom as omnipotent leader' hobby), and he was living in an advanced, exceedingly well-equiped, Imperial base, which is not that shabby a place to live (and he might have been living in a palace in the city. I can't really recall.) --Maru 20:22, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Boba Fett is also a clone of Jango Fett, yet they're not completely identical in appearance. If one exists somewhere, we need a picture of Jorus for this article. 68.47.234.131 13:52, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

The Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook has a picture on p. 54 which is presumably the original Jorus. He looked crazy even before he was cloned. -- Silly Dan 21:33, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Considering that that image is of a man in the same clothes as Joruus, playing with Force lightning with a nearly psychopathic look on his face . . . I'm willing to bet that the picture is of the clone, even though its placement suggests otherwise. jSarek 08:57, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

• Will Outbound Flight have a picture of C'baoth? -- SFH 19:07, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • The cover doesn't, though hopefully the Japanese cover will, when it's eventually released - Kwenn 20:33, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, until the Japanese book hopefully shows us Jorus, should we put a picture of Joruus from one of the comics (since the one from the cover isn't exactly great). Not the same one as Joruus', but just another comic pose? I'll try to find one that best brings to mind crowd-splitting Jorus, so that the judging can begin --Sauron18 02:23 25 June 2006 (CDT)
      • How about this one?

http://img60.( image shack dot U S )/img60/2994/jocb37nx.jpg

I know its B&W, but it's a good portrait shot IMO --Sauron18 03:00 25 June 2006 (CDT)

• We are getting the first official Jorus image soon, from the Japanese cover of Outbound Flight. Here is a version of the cover:

http://img287.( image shack dot U S )/img287/4168/ofae7.jpg

Can't wait until we have it in High Res :) --Sauron18 20:11, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

• QFT. Jorus reminds me of McKellen's Gandalf there. And Obi-Wan looks very cool. Where did you find that image? - Kwenn 20:39, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, starwars.jp had a very small version of it, so I copied the Japanese lettering that I (after a little experimentation) deciphered to mean "Outbound Flight", I put it on google and eventually found it :P --Sauron18 21:10, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
• THat's a great cover, especially the image of Jorus. Can't wait until we get it into the article. HavetStorm 16:37, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Well, now that we have the image there is another question. Should we leave it cropped as it is or let it be a little longer despite the fact that Palpatine’s face is in there? I think we should let it elongate, because Palps doesn’t really cover that much, and the with the crop the picture looks slightly squashed to me, I dunno. Opinions? --Sauron18 21:07, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Err, wait, forget it, it looks good like that, it was just looked a bit too small in the article, but I fixed that.--Sauron18 22:22, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Chronology

Has anyone figured out how the seemingly disparate timeline that Luke finds about C'baoth early on in DFR works now?Thanos6 18:33, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)

• The Revised Core Rulebook of the WoTC Star Wars game puts Jorus' birth as 70 BBY, and we know that the Outbound Flight takes place in 27 BBY, therefore a simple matter of working out the other dates from there. QuentinGeorge 21:23, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • I mean the one that Luke finds in Coruscant's computers, about Jorus being born 112 years before the Empire being founded and all that. Thanos6 18:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
    • That one's outdated. It's only useful for the timespans in his bio. QuentinGeorge 21:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
      • *blinks* Huh? If it's outdated and incorrect, how is it useful at all? Thanos6 21:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
        • The birthdate can't be used, but the intervals can "ie, he spent five years at this academy, then went here...blah, blah." QuentinGeorge 21:49, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
          • Ah, right. Well, I've added the other stuff to a Behind the scenes note. Thanos6 21:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

I am trying to make the dates jive in my head, but doesn't this seem to indicate that he was only in his forties when he died? I mean, I know forty is "old" (lol), but all the white hair and everything?? He seems much older, even in the descriptions of him in the book. Chervil 16:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

• • • • • • • • For one 40 isn't old, Luke etc are reaching there 60's and are still going remember. Some people do get white hair while their young, it isn't unheard of. Jedi Dude 16:56, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

That is true, however you have to admit that the pics do look quite a bit older than the 43 he supposedly is. (btw-I am 35, so the 40 being old comment was extremely tongue-in-cheek) On that note, though, he definitely does not look 8 years older than me. Chervil, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Quote

• Any person with Outbound Flight got a good quote that illustrates C'baoth's personality? QuentinGeorge 22:38, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Jorus and Joruus

Does anyone else get the feeling that Jorus C'baoth seems a little unstable? Maybe not as much as his clone, but I still must ask: was Joruus really suffering from clone madness, or was the madness gained from Jorus? -- SFH 21:16, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• He does seem to have something of a Dooku-all-force-users-are-destined-to-rule-complex going on, but his clone is a lot more nuts. --Erl 23:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
  • He's powerful that's for sure. Amazing he and Dooku didn't become pals. —Unsigned comment by 24.197.141.33 (talk • contribs)

I think that Joruus was suffering from both the clone madness, but in another way, he had Jorus's insanical behaviour. I would say its a mix of the two. Master Halcyon

• • • Jorus was just an arrogant old man taking very extreme measure in many issues, while Joruus could be really crazy sometime. Darth Kevinmhk 02:31, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Birth

Why and where was his birth retconned from 131BBY to 70BBY? 24.197.141.33 01:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

• The Revised Core Rulebook of the WoTC Star Wars game puts Jorus' birth as 70 BBY. Why? I dunno. Thanos6 05:39, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • yeah that seems strange... —Unsigned comment by 24.197.141.33 (talk • contribs)
    • there is no way he was born 70 BBY... that makes him 43 when he died... he looks at least 60!!! something is amiss. —Unsigned comment by 65.33.88.211 (talk • contribs)

Using the Jedi template vs. the Dark Jedi template

• Why can't the Dark Jedi template be used? At the end of Outbound Flight he falls to the Dark Side when he begins to use the Force choke on Thrawn. It's even mentioned in the article itself that he fell to the dark side. DarthMaul431 15:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Falling to the Dark Side for a few seconds doesn't make him a Dark Jedi. QuentinGeorge 06:32, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I do kind of agree with DarthMaul431...yes, it was just for a moment, but he was never redeemed before he died...so was allied to the Dark Side when he died...I think the Dark Jedi infobox might be applicable, but then it may not. There are other reasons for it not to be. I think we should let a more experienced editor work this one out. --The Lampshade... (talk) 11:06, July 19, 2012 (UTC)Lamp774

Moses?

Does anyone else think that C'baoth looks a little bit like Charlton Heston in The Ten Commandments? -- SFH 16:40, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

I think he looks more like Gandalf, personally. —Unsigned comment by 68.37.170.34 (talk • contribs)

lightsaber?

• Did Jorus carried his lightsaber during the novel Outbound Flight? It seems to me that Zahn evaded the issue, never directly stating whether Jorus had or had no lightsaber on his belt. Darth Kevinmhk 17:03, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

- I just finished the book yesterday. I don't recall any mention of his lightsaber. Though in my opinion, if he was known for *not* carrying one, that's something that would have been mentioned in the book, most likely by a character such as Anakin. —Unsigned comment by 68.37.170.34 (talk • contribs)

Training age?

The bio seems to suggest that Jorus was well past the age of ten by the time he began his Jedi training. But that contradicts all the prequel material that says that Anakin was oldest acceptee into the program, at least as far as the "modern" Jedi Order is concerned. Even as recently as Outbound Flight, when Jorus wants to start traning older children aboard the ship, he says that the oldest are ten, and sights Anakin as a precedent. —Unsigned comment by 68.37.170.34 (talk • contribs)

• A'Sharad Hett was accepted into the order at the age of fifteen. QuentinGeorge 21:05, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
  • But wasn't that just his formal training at the temple? I thought he'd been training under his Jedi mother prior to that. And wasn't he accepted *after* the exception had been made for Anakin?-JC —Unsigned comment by 68.37.170.34 (talk • contribs)
    • Father. But yeah, he'd been trained by his father since well before he was nine. Crystorix 04:43, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Wasn't that all retconned in the Official Fact Files? I think it was said there that he went to the Jedi Temple as a child, just like everyone else. But if anyone can chek in it, it would be great because I just can't for the time being. LelalMekha 04:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Many Padawan? Impossible

He took many Padawans during his career as a Jedi... He just can't have had *so many* Padawan, to be very logical. Let's check it: he became a Jedi Knight when he was 26 years old (17 + 5 + 2 + 2). He died when he was 43. So he spent 17 years as an active Jedi. How many padawan would you expect anyone to teach in less than twenty years??? I say no more than two. LelalMekha 11:39, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

• Fixed. Greyman^(Paratus) 22:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Brought to the Jedi Temple on Coruscant

At least according to the french version of the Official Facts Files, he was brought to the Jedi Temple on Coruscant from childhood. Is this a mistake or an actual retcon? Does it also appear in the original english version? LelalMekha 15:53, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Old Jedi

Why is he constantly called "the old jedi" in Outbound Fight, despite being only 43 the year he died? I think they're still an obvious discrepancy between the age Zahn thinks he was and what the current continuity requires... Except my missing something. LelalMekha 22:18, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Role in "search for the lost Jedi"

Anyone who has read it can tell me what's his role in this storyline? LelalMekha 08:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

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Retconning his childhood?

I know I had already brought it up -without real success-, but now I have the exact quote, I can better expose the problem: According to the Offical Facts Files (or at least their french version), he didn't study on Kamparas to become a Jedi. Jorus' file says so (translated from french):

"From now on, we know Jorus C'Baoth came from the city of Teithcass on the planet Bortras. He was born strong with the Force. His powers were quickly remarked by the Jedi Order, and he was sent to Coruscant in order to begin his learning. Everything went well for him at the Temple and he became a Knight, then a Master a few years later."

(« On sait désormais que Jorus C'Baoth venait de la ville de Teithcass de la planète Bortras. Il naquit avec un lien puissant à la Force. Ses pouvoirs furent vite identifiés par l'Ordre Jedi et on l'envoya sur Coruscant pour commencer son apprentissage. Tout se passa bien pour lui au Temple et il devint Chevalier, puis Maître quelques années plus tard. »)

Does it actually appear in the american edition? And if yes, do we have to consider that an actual or potential retcon? LelalMekha 21:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC) 21:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

• If it dosn't appear in the American version then I would say no. This site is written in English so I would say to go with the version that is written in English.Blazinangel911 22:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
  • I agree, English Wiki=English version. ZEM talk to me! 03:21, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Answer To Pronunciation Question

I'ts pronounced "sah-bay-oth." (I always thought it was "kuh-bay-oth," but, according the the Joruus C'baoth article, it's not.)