Talk: Jedi High Council/Legends

Members

Why have the greatest masters of the republic be put in terms I know it brings a balance, but why not have everyone a lifetime member. —Unsigned comment by 216.45.231.26 (talk • contribs)

Anakin vs. Even Piell

It seems like Anakin replaced Even Piell in the council, however, I thought when Anakin made his way into the council, he didn't really replace anyone, he was just added to the council. So what was wrong with Even Piell? --Darthless 09:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Whats the difference between The High Jedi Council and the jedi council.BobafettH23 23:25, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

• "Jedi Council" is technically a loose term for all councils held by Jedi, though in the films, "Jedi Council" is commonly used to refer to the "Jedi High Council" - Kwenn 19:09, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

According to Even Piell's article Anakin did replace him on the Council, look: "...Skywalker himself took Piell's place on the High Council following the Second Battle of Coruscant since Piell was missing in action." I suppose that solves it then. 8311-XHT 01:23, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

• Don't try to confirm things using other Wookieepedia articles, use the original sources. :-) --Crazy Jedi Girl 22:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

(Depa Billaba)-(Sifo-Dyas)-(Yaddle) connection

Just commenting on the recent box edits that have Depa Billaba replacing Sifo-Dyas. We know that Sifo-Dyas was on the council at some point before Episode 1, so it makes sense that one of the Jedi on the council during the film are acting as Sifo-Dyas' replacement. And I understand the reasoning for speculating that Depa would be that replacement seeing as her age would be very young at that point, but the likely replacement for Sifo-Dyas is Yaddle, not Depa. First, Depa is on the council as of 44 BBY. There's no reason to assume that it's an error. I know that Anakin is the youngest Jedi on the Council ever at 22, but there's no reason that Depa couldn't be at least 23 as of 44 BBY. What we know:

1. Mace was born 72 BBY.
2. Mace saved Depa from pirates when she was 6 months old.
3. Depa trained under Mace as his Padawan.
4. Depa was on the Jedi Council as of 44 BBY.

What we don't know:

1. How old Mace was when he saved her.
2. At what point was Depa accepted as Mace's Padawan. Remember Quinlan Vos saved his Padawan from a Wampa attack before he ever took her as his apprentice. Was he five years old when he did it? Maybe not, but it's something to consider.

Now back to what I originally said about Yaddle being a more likely replacement. Yaddle is not shown during the Stark Hyperspace War comic. All the other Jedi who are on the council during Episode I (excluding Plo Koon and Ki-adi Mundi who are replaced by Tyvokka and Micah Giett respectfully) are all there, but not Yaddle. In fact, no twelfth Jedi is shown. Is this intentional? Maybe not, maybe they just forgot to add Yaddle. However, in Yaddle's Tale: The One Below all the council members are the same as in Episode I, except for Micah Giett who's obviously supposed to show that Ki hasn't joined the council yet. I know that the framing story isn't necessarily canon, but once again, does it have to be? Once again, what we know about Yaddle:

1. She's not seen on the council during the Stark Hyperspace War, so no evidence that she's on the council as of 44 BBY.
2. She trained Oppo Rancisis, who is on the Council as of 44 BBY.
3. In Yaddle's Tale: The One Below, she is reviewed as a candidate by the same council members that appear in Episode I (excluding Ki). Not necessarily canon.

The only problem with this framing story being in-canon is that some people find it odd that Rancisis, her padawan, would be on the council before her. Though why is this the case? It's likely that Obi-Wan would have been on the council before Qui-Gon ever would have been because of concerns about Jinn's behavior. I think that Yaddle's less than orthodox promotion to Jedi Master would have been more than enough to make it plausible that an apprentice of her's could find themselves on the council before her. The way I see it, with the evidence we have now, is that Yaddle is the replacement for Sifo-Dyas. It doesn't make sense for Depa to be the replacement because she was on the council at 44 BBY, which is quite a bit longer than "almost ten years ago" as of 22 BBY. If the framing story of The One Below is held to be canon, then it had to have taken place after 44 BBY, after Tyvokka's death, and at least before 33 BBY during the Yinchorri Uprising where Yaddle appears in Jedi Council: Acts of War. This also almost coincides perfectly with the statement "almost ten years ago" if Yaddle replaced Sifo-Dyas right before the Yinchorri Uprising which would make "almost ten years ago"->11 years. Sorry for rambling on like this, but I think there is enough canon evidence to support Yaddle being the replacement for Sifo-Dyas, and no reason to need a ret-con. Cull Tremayne 23:44, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

• The framing story for Yaddle's Tale is definitely non-canon. It has been confirmed by Leland Chee, and Randy Stradley amongst others. The reason is that the story takes places hundreds of years BBY, before any of those characters are even born. The New Essential Guide to Characters explicitly says that Rancisis did not join the Council until after 44 BBY. QuentinGeorge 01:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I know that. I am questioning as to why that must be. Could you quote the passage in NEGtC? Where is it? Rancisis is shown in SHW. Cull Tremayne 10:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
• Additionally, it is utterly ridiculous for youngling Mace Windu to rescue someone at the age of 5. For one, he's not supposed to be out of the temple on missions until he's a teenaged padawan. Secondly, all we see in the SHW TPB is an unnamed Chalactan council member. She's not identified as Depa anywhere, and she appears to be much older than 23. If anything, a far easier retcon is to have that character be Sar Labooda or another Chalactan Jedi. There is no sensible way to reconcile the "Depa" appearance in SHW with her character background without going into kiddy Windu hero silliness. QuentinGeorge 01:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • I still say it's possible however unlikely, that he could have had a role (there's no mention as to how major a role it was) in saving her from pirates. Cull Tremayne 10:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
• Here's an even easier solution: There is not a single frame where we see "Depa" seated with the rest of the council. It's likely that she's merely there with her master Windu, like A'Sharad Hett is with Ki-Adi-Mundi in the The Hunt for Aurra Sing. QuentinGeorge 01:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Then why is she not standing by his side when Windu initially talks to Saldith? Additionally, why is Depa in the meditative circle then? I mean Saldith is not in the circle, and he's at least a Jedi Knight. Why would Depa, if she's just a mere padawan take part in something that a Jedi Knight cannot? Cull Tremayne 10:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Exterior chamber

• In some hots of the chamber, you can see an antichamber through the doorway. Is this an error because the spires structure does not allow this? Purpilia 00:59, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Members in 36 BBY

I was wondering, does anyone know who was on the council in 36 BBY? 8311-XHT 01:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

• Check out the Master's Council articlePurpilia 21:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Gran & Chiss

"During the war, many Councilers were extremely temporary. A Gran and a Chiss-like Jedi sat around the time Grievous first appeared. They would eventually leave the Council to be replaced by others". When do these jedi appear, and if they do exist, there should be links to their pages. AdmirableAckbar 14:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• Their in the Greivous Comic and they have no article.Purpilia 21:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

if you have the comic you should make an articleabout them. even if they're not named they seem important enough.AdmirableAckbar 22:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

• I know, amd I just havent gotten around to it. Hopefully this will motivate me. I also dont have images for these two potentialo articles. Purpilia 04:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

if you give me any more details you have, i'll create it and someone else can upload the images. AdmirableAckbar 22:49, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

• • There really isnt any more info then this. Purpilia 02:59, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

???

Um, in this article it said that the Council consisted of five lifetime members, four long-term members, and three limited-term members. What do long-term and limited-term mean?!? How long did each last? I'm confused! --76.4.218.95 01:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

• Sorry, that was me, forgot to log in! --Crazy Jedi Girl 01:28, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Its unknown at the present as to how long theses two memberships last. It can only be assumed that long-term members are on the council for a good amount of time. Short-term may only be on the Council only during a certain event in which a specific Master may be able to offer a different view on the situationn. For example if there was an agriculture crisis on Dantooine that was spreading to other worlds, an AgriCorps Master may be placed on the Council for the duration of the crisis. Then they would step down and allow for another Master to join for the next crisis.
  • Just remebered another example. Perhaps during the Sep Crisis, the Council wanted a good public relations master. Coleman Trebor seemed to make all statements at this time. I dont know what his job was or why he was on the council but maybe he was a diplomat of some sort thet would excel in making public addresses. Purpilia 03:02, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
    • I just got a quote from the Episode I Visual Dictionary:

Source: Star Wars: Episode I The Visual Dictionary	Attribution: DK Publishing
The Council is composed of five permanent members who have accepted a lifetime commitment to the difficult work of the Jedi. In addition, four long-term members serve until they choose to step down and three limited-term members sit for specified terms.
This work is copyrighted. The individual who uploaded this work asserts that this qualifies as fair use of the material under United States copyright law.

So that explains a bit. Hey, maybe we should add it to the article? --Crazy Jedi Girl 06:41, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

• • • the limited term members must still be on the council for quite some time though. In the ten years between ep1 and 2, only two members were replaced, and they had both died. Also, does any source give an info on which councilors were limited term members? AdmirableAckbar 12:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
      • This article does, actually. :-) It says here that the three limited-term members in 32 BBY were Ki-Adi-Mundi, Yaddle, and Adi Gallia. I'll find the source for that later; maybe it's the Star Wars Databank. You're right, though, limited-term must last a while, because Adi Gallia's page said that she had joined the Council by 42 BBY (which means that it could have been a year or two before, I think), and she served until her death in 19 BBY. That's 23 years. I need to do some research on limited-term members of the Council, and see if any of them served longer or shorter than that. I'll come back here if I find anything. --Crazy Jedi Girl 15:37, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Vrook?

He was the leader when was this stated?Councilor 'Rumilee 12:50, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

• Probibly Nomi Sunrider. Purplegethos 12:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Possibly T'un

Why do we put "possibly" T'un? Please tell me its not just bc leland overlooked this single reference when compiling his list on his blog!JustinGann 01:12, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

• Well in Jedi Apprentice: The Uncertain Path it refers to T'un as being a Jedi Council Member. But it doesnt specify which of the four councils. As one of the Curator of Records, I think he was probably on the First Knowledge Council, but that is just me. Purpilia 01:16, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Opening quote

""With all of us may the Force be, and may the peace of this temple be ours, a place open to thought and speech, a realm of mutual respect, and a haven of shared noble purpose, let us take these seats together with no one above the others, may we work together free from restraints of ego and jealousy at this gathering, and all others to come."

The quote is from Emissaries to Malastare, and the only reason the first part is Object-Subject-Verb is because the phrase was spoken by Yoda (before progressing to Mace and successively the other council members). It makes more sense to assume the "standard" version would be SVO because that would be in parallel to the second phrase in Mace-standard Basic. I changed it accordingly but I expect someone will take exception and change it back...----Valin Kenobi 09:22, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Expand

Could we please get a list of all the members? Plus, the accomplishments and doings of the council are mentioned in only the most minute detail...Lucius malfoy7 22:54, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Emblem

What is the verification for the so-called emblem? It seems like its just a random segment of the floor design cropped out. Its placement at the bottom also seems like it just something someone through in for no reason.--The Great and Grand Count Mall!^{(Bow down before me!)} 06:01, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

• Not the best image, I admit, but it is from something...I just forget what it is. Give me a bit to find the source before removing it! Purpilia 01:39, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Mace Windu's Age

I was re-reading the Clone Wars Novel Shatterpoint by Matthew Stover and on page 7 it states that he was elevated to the Jedi Council before his thirtieth birthday. Is him joining the council in 44 BBY the true time he joined or was it before he turned 13. DarthRevan1173 06:21, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

• Thirtieth, not thirteenth. QuentinGeorge 07:20, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

New Republic/ Legacy Era

What about Luke's jedi order? Or didn't he have a high council? —Unsigned comment by Shioroi (talk • contribs)

Hero of Tython?

Would the Hero of Tython actually be part of the Jedi High Council in Star Wars: The Old Republic: Onslaught? The Hero would be assumed to be a Republic loyalist, in which case he would be offered a Council seat at the end of the Meridian Complex arc. --Vika-crow (talk) 01:27, December 3, 2019 (UTC)

Lack of Sources

When listing the Jedi members on the Council, there are no sources to source where the information comes from about their placement on the Council and departure from it. Sources are on the Canon article, so I figure that the Legends one should have it as well.Keeper of the Timeline (talk) 01:34, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

• Yes it definitely should have sources for where the information comes from Lewisr (talk) 01:42, 13 April 2023 (UTC)