Talk: Jedi Consular

Qui-Gon

Qui-Gon is a Jedi Consular? The Episode I novel says something along the lines "one of the finest warriors." - TopAce 11:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

• Don't take the classification too seriously. Of course Qui-Gon wasn't a Jedi Consular. Jedi Consular isn't even a canonical rank. Sage Master, however, is. Even if Qui-Gon is one, it doesn't stop him from being one of the finest warriors. - Sikon [Talk] 11:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
  • After all, Yoda was considered the finest warrior in the Jedi Order, and he's listed as a Sage Master. 68.47.234.131 15:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
    • In the current state of the article, it says that the Sage Master is the canon name for Jedi Consular, a class into which Yoda and Qui-Gon belong. - TopAce 18:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• Uh, Jedi Consular and Jedi Guardian actually are canonical ranks. They were named as such in The New Essential Chronology, on page 203. -- SFH 18:17, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
• The KOTOR comic also explicitly refers to Jedi Consulars. Kuralyov 22:52, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
  • Both sources appeared after this wiki article originally did, though. 59.167.251.80 06:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
    • That was me, PS. QuentinGeorge 06:28, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
      • Anyone object to me removing that? I'll do it tomorrow unless someone objects or beats me to it. Also, on the subject, I wanted to point some attention to the Talk:Jedi classes, KOTOR games + KOTOR comics = canon, right? Lonnyd 11:13, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
        • Again, I would like to point out that since the classes appear in conversation during the KOTOR games, that makes them canon. Lonnyd 20:18, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Name

Since we have two canon sources using "Jedi Consular" over "Sage Master," should we move the title to the former? Kuralyov 06:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Consulars, people

• As per POTJ, Fisto and Shaak Ti are consulars. Please don't remove them. QuentinGeorge 21:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a question, shouldn't Master Fay be included as a Jedi consular? —Unsigned comment by 196.25.255.218 (talk • contribs)

Forms?

Is it possible for jedi consulars to learn any other forms besides niman and ataru? —Unsigned comment by 64.12.116.74 (talk • contribs)

• Sure, but Niman is the diplomat's form and Ataru requires high knowledge of the Force, so both are ideal for Consulars. Of course, it's possible for a Consular to be the master of any other form. - TopAce 13:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
  • There were also Force Forms that were (possibly) used by the Jedi Exile, would they have a place here? 84.45.134.188 23:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

I think people are getting too hung up on the idea that Consulars are inferior duellists. The difference between a Guardian and a Consular is that a Guardian masters more combat forms than a Consular, whereas a Consular knows more about the Force than the Guardians. Their skill in combat is determined by the individuals themselves, not necessarily because of their training. Example: Yoda, kick-ass duellist. Darth Raivon 12:14, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Strange (possibly subconscious) Conspiracy

• Due to a strange feeling I had, I looked through the articles of every Jedi confirmed to have a specific class. I always thought that green somewhat corresponded to Consulars even before KotOR, starting with the introduction of green saber (which was actually meant to be blue) in ROTJ, and blue somewhat corresponded to Guardians, such as Luke in ESB and Kyle Katarn in Jedi Outcast. So I went throught the Jedi listed as Consulars or Guardian to see what saber colors they wielded. I only counted those who either wielded green or blue in a verified canonical source post-Attack of the Clones. (I ignored those of the New Jedi Order, as they appeared with several different colors; as well as those that appear with a color not green or blue in TPM comics; those who have been seen with more than one color, such as Adi Gallia; and those which have never appeared with a saber in a canonical source, such as Yarrel Poof)I found only four Jedi that contradict that theory: Consulars Cay and Ulic Qel-Droma and Shaak Ti, and Guardian Oppo Rancisis. Only four - there are dozens others that support it. I find it even more intruiging that the green lightsaber was never meant to exist, yet even pre-Kotor it seems to represent Jedi that specialize in the Force (such as Qhi-Gon Jinn, Luke post-ROTJ, and Yoda), and that blue seems to denote specialty in battle (such as Obi-Wan Kenobi, Luke pre-ROTJ, and Kyle Katarn). Anyway, I think that this should at least be mentioned in the article, as postKotOR sources have used this systme as canon (KotOR comics, for example). Well, that's about it. I posted this on Talk:Jedi Guardian as well. Bredd13_comlink 05:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
  • Qui-Gon is a Guardian, not a Consular. Luke remains a Guardian even after ROTJ. There is no significance in-universe to lightsaber color other than personal preference. —Unsigned comment by 64.160.71.1 (talk • contribs)
    • Has to hold true because Kyle Katarn started with a green saber, took Yuns Yellow Saber which turned Orange in Mysteries of the Sith (w/Mara Jade who has a purple saber)but by Jedi Knight II has a Blue saber… —Unsigned comment by 50.159.185.119 (talk • contribs)

Obi-wan

Q. Is there any canonical reference to Obi-wan being a consular rather then a guardian? A1. A Facebook quiz (hardly canonical, I know) posts a photo of Obi-Wan with the result of "Consular": Lynn took the quiz "Which jedi [sic] class are you" and the result is "Consular". A Jedi Consular (also called a Jedi seer) was, like all Jedi, skilled in battle, but rarely entered combat, preferring to study the mysteries of the Force.[1] Consulars were the primary scholars and diplomats and seers of the Order, often becoming instructors.[2] What the Jedi Guardian preferred to achieve by combat, the Jedi Consular achieved by words or the Force. Traditionally, they wielded a green lightsaber, but, like all Jedi, they were free to choose their own color for the blade.[3] --71.192.36.23 13:52, October 22, 2009 (UTC)Lynn B. Johnson

Sariss?

How could Sariss be a Jedi Consular?... She's a freakin Dark Jedi!--Gonzalo84 23:38, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

• I don't feel good about that either. That citation is too vague for my taste. Is anybody more familiar with WOTC's site able to confirm that? Gonk ^(Gonk!) 17:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
  • She has the Jedi Consular class on her stats on the WoTC page. QuentinGeorge 22:24, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Jacen Solo

Wouldnt Jacen Solo be considered a consular? Master Dynami

Why would Jacen Solo be a Consular?Revan Acolyte88 17:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Maybe because of his study of the force from other religious groups aside from the Jedi Order (the final group being the Sith). I've only read a few of the legacy novels but from what I remember he feels more like an "active Jedi Consular" rather than the Guardian/Warrior class. 90.196.98.77 19:23, March 24, 2011 (UTC)Makashi Master

Stass Allie

shouldn't stass allie,barris offee and t'ra saa be considered consulars. they are all major healersG Vos 23:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)G Vos

• Only if you can find a source which says they are. -- I need a name (Complain here) 23:59, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
• Barriss Offee is canonically a Guardian so she definatly isn't a Consular. 72.79.219.197 00:21, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
• if there is a quote saying that healers are counsulars then why don't we put all healers as consularsG Vos 18:30, 11 January 2009 (UTC)G Vos
  • We can't list anyone as a Consular unless a canon source actually identifies that person as a Consular. Just because someone is a healer, it doesn't automatically make them a Consular. For example, Barriss Offee is a healer, but she is also a Jedi Guardian, which means she can't be a Consular. Gray Jedi 20:52, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

Kit Fisto

Kit Fisto is on the Guardian list and Consular list. Which is it?Jdubbz 19:38, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

• I checked the source, Power of the Jedi Sourcebook. He's a Consular. -LtNOWIS 19:43, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Master Fay - Consular?

Jedi master Fay, mentioned in the Star Wars Republic comics, fits the description of Jedi consular. She was said not to even own a lightsaber. —Unsigned comment by 196.207.47.60 (talk • contribs)

Please enlighten me.

So I was playing KOTOR over the other day, and when I reached the point when you pick your Jedi class, I found something odd. The game leads one to believe that the Consular is the medium between Guardian and Sentinel, where as the Sentinel article says it's the middle. Examples being "The Consular seeks to mediate between other skills" and "The Consular seeks to bring balance to the force." Can someone clear this up for me? —Unsigned comment by Proconix (talk • contribs)

Jedi Exile and Reven

Is there any cannon material that officially says what Reven and Exile took durring KOTOR I and II —Unsigned comment by Dk2player (talk • contribs)

• -I think they "took" some death sticks.Darth Vader Fan 17:36, September 13, 2010 (UTC)