Jango's planet of origin (+ Mandalorian or not)
While Star Wars Journeys: Beginnings states that Jango Fett hails from Concord Dawn, Sabine Wren's factsheet in Star Wars Rebels Magazine 2 states that "Sabine is 16-yers-old and comes from the planet Mandalore, which is the same planet that Boba and Jango Fett come from." The same issue gives Sabine's species as "Mandalorian." If that much is true, then it means Almec was wrong, ang Jango Fett IS indeed as Mandalorian (just one the Prime Minister won't acknowledge as such). --LelalMekha (talk) 15:03, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
- I question whether that magazine can be a canon source and what the actual Lucasfilm involvement is. I would be very wary about using it as a source. Boba being from Mandalore is just outright wrong, considering he's a clone. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:40, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
- Isn't everything Rebels canon by default? The Rebels-verse does not exist in Legends, after all. And those magazines have been created well after the 2014 canon reboot. For one thing, Martin Fisher says that his Rebels comics are canon. --LelalMekha (talk) 15:49, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
- Canon and Legends aren't the only two options, of course. There's also "no canon." There are lots of things that just have no canonicity status one way or another. The comic being canon is fair. However, over half of the info you quoted from the magazine is either an apparent contradiction (Jango's planet of origin) or just wrong (Mandalorian is not a species, and Boba is not from Mandalore) that I question whether that information is actually being vetted and approved by Lucasfilm. The short story can be canon without the rest of the magazine being a vetted canon source. I would not treat anything other than the short story as a canon source until we know more about this magazine's relationship with Lucasfilm. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:56, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
- Then we'll have to wait forever it seems. Their new communications policy is to never confirm or deny anything, apparently. I will, however, index those articles here, even if we don't add anything from them in the individual entries. --LelalMekha (talk) 16:01, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
- That's fair. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 16:03, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
- Then we'll have to wait forever it seems. Their new communications policy is to never confirm or deny anything, apparently. I will, however, index those articles here, even if we don't add anything from them in the individual entries. --LelalMekha (talk) 16:01, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
- Canon and Legends aren't the only two options, of course. There's also "no canon." There are lots of things that just have no canonicity status one way or another. The comic being canon is fair. However, over half of the info you quoted from the magazine is either an apparent contradiction (Jango's planet of origin) or just wrong (Mandalorian is not a species, and Boba is not from Mandalore) that I question whether that information is actually being vetted and approved by Lucasfilm. The short story can be canon without the rest of the magazine being a vetted canon source. I would not treat anything other than the short story as a canon source until we know more about this magazine's relationship with Lucasfilm. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:56, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
- Isn't everything Rebels canon by default? The Rebels-verse does not exist in Legends, after all. And those magazines have been created well after the 2014 canon reboot. For one thing, Martin Fisher says that his Rebels comics are canon. --LelalMekha (talk) 15:49, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
Jango is not a confirmed Mandalorian
Thus I say we remove the Mandalorian from the Category sections.
Did the Databank just confirm that Jango *is* a Mandalorian?
The Databank entry for the Z-6 jetpack says: "The Z-6 Jetpack was the preferred jetpack of Mandalorian commandos across the galaxy, from the more organized sects like Death Watch to the outliers on the fringe, like Jango Fett and Boba Fett." This implies that Jango and Boba are Mandalorian commandos... --LelalMekha (talk) 12:03, January 16, 2016 (UTC)
- Either it's an error, or some people are going to be very happy. Maybe we should reach out to Pablo. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 18:29, January 16, 2016 (UTC)
- Certainly doesn't look like an error, as the databank entry has a photo of Boba representing it and a video of Jango's fight with Obi-Wan (Episode II) to show off the jetpack. VDO talk 18:33, January 16, 2016 (UTC)
- I don't believe it's referring to him as a Mandalorian, because if you look at the "Affiliations" it says it's affiliated with "Death Watch, Bounty Hunters". Jango Fett(and Boba by extension) have no known affiliation to Death Watch. I think it's just a poorly worded statement or partially misinformed. We should try asking Pablo, since he previously stated that the idea of Jango and Boba being Mandalorians was "outdated".--216.249.68.9 03:05, January 20, 2016 (UTC)
- Certainly doesn't look like an error, as the databank entry has a photo of Boba representing it and a video of Jango's fight with Obi-Wan (Episode II) to show off the jetpack. VDO talk 18:33, January 16, 2016 (UTC)
- The Databank entry definitely confirms both Jango and Boba as Mandalorians. It's not poorly worded at all, but rather quite specific. The structure of the sentence, using "from" and "to" the way it does, groups both Death Watch and the Fetts under the original heading of Mandalorian commandos. I'll grant that it's odd that it's the entry for their jetpack of all things that jumps their Mandalorian status over from Legends to Canon after prior vaguery, but the Databank is a canon source and all information therein should be assumed legitimate unless otherwise specified. Bella'Mia (talk) 06:19, January 23, 2016 (UTC)
- Pablo Hidalgo has already stated here that Boba is not a Mandalorian, so there's already a discrepancy with the information provided. It's best we wait for a more substantial source clarifying their status, or possibly asking Pablo himself to clear this up. Ruthless Xero
(Talk) 06:28, January 23, 2016 (UTC)
- Just to chime in here, there is no "more substantial source" than Pablo Hidalgo. He is a creative executive on the Lucasfilm Story Group. That means as far as canon is concerned, he is effectively the Word of God. He trumps whatever the StarWars.com Databank says. You don't need to ask him to clarify what he's already stated. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:32, January 23, 2016 (UTC)
- It is worth noting that Pablo specifically says "don't cite tweets as canon". A new story would override his tweets. He is also not omniscient nor in sole total control over directions of stories. I take his meaning to be that there is no current story establishing them to be Mandalorians so they effectively aren't. Not that they can't ever be established as mandalorians. Besides it seems obvious to me that Jango was created as a Mandalorian considering the mandalorian writing in Slave I. I think any mention should be removed for now. --69.124.107.42 06:29, February 2, 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, wonderful. Well, thanks for bringing that to my attention, Xero, I wasn't aware he'd already muddied the waters beforehand. I'm still of the opinion that we should heed the more recent source, but with the increasingly tangled mess things have become, I can't exactly sit back and pretend there's an obviousness that clearly doesn't exist. Appreciate the heads up. Bella'Mia (talk) 06:40, January 23, 2016 (UTC)
- It's important to remember too that the Databank is written by the StarWars.com team and covers existing information, so it's not generally meant to be a new source of info (though sometimes new information is provided to StarWars.com, of course). I'd wager it's not a Story Group-vetted project either. It's not above having a mistake here and there because of that. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 15:33, January 23, 2016 (UTC)
- Just to chime in here, there is no "more substantial source" than Pablo Hidalgo. He is a creative executive on the Lucasfilm Story Group. That means as far as canon is concerned, he is effectively the Word of God. He trumps whatever the StarWars.com Databank says. You don't need to ask him to clarify what he's already stated. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:32, January 23, 2016 (UTC)
- Pablo Hidalgo has already stated here that Boba is not a Mandalorian, so there's already a discrepancy with the information provided. It's best we wait for a more substantial source clarifying their status, or possibly asking Pablo himself to clear this up. Ruthless Xero
- Possible reconciliation: Boba isn't Mandalorian, Jango is. Jango is canonically from Concord Dawn, a Mandalorian Colony (hence him being distanced from the New Mandalorians on Mandalore). That's where he got his armor and that's where he got his heritage. Boba on the other hand is Jango's clone, Just like Rex, Fives, etc. As such, he's not really Mandalorian. His template has that heritage, and he probably learned more of it than his brothers did, but seeing as how he lost his dad really early on, I'd say not enough of it to really count. As such, Jango is an Mando, Boba isn't. 168.178.73.103 04:45, January 29, 2016 (UTC)
Need confirmation on this as other sources say he was/is a mandalorian
" Fett wore a set of Mandalorian armor as a bounty hunter, though he was considered a pretender by the New Mandalorian government of Mandalore. " Yeah I'm gonna have to have a reference and source to that. And if added already put a tool tip next to it that says which source/ref it is
- It's from "The Mandalore Plot." We don't add references to introduction sections. That information can be added to the biography. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:34, March 4, 2016 (UTC)
Not from Concord Dawn
Star Wars Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded claims that Jango's homeworld is unknown. I followed it up with Pablo on Twitter and he relied with [1]. It seems that Jango only claimed he was from Concord Dawn, which lines up with Almec statement that he wasn't a Mando. It also seems that Rako has been confirmed as a Mando. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 05:08, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- I highly doubt that Jango isn't a Mando, but I changed the statement to say "allegedly", seeing as he claimed he was from Concord Dawn, and his in-universe word is good enough to merit a mention since it is the closest thing we have at the moment to a third-person source concerning his origins. Darth Ravigious (talk) 05:14, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Jango Fett is not a Mandalorian. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 05:16, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- That's stupid and makes me mad, but I stand corrected. Fixed his page to "he claimed to be from Concord Dawn" btw Darth Ravigious (talk) 05:22, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- This change further solidifies that he isn't Mandalorian IU, however, and is a pretty cool link to Almec's comment. It seems like he was a pretender. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 05:26, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Being born on the planet of Concord Dawn, it is still very likely that he was BORN Mandalorian and his backstory will be revealed in the future. Remember that Mandalore is a culture with high standards. Since the New Mandalorians became peace loving hippies, they could have exiled Fett and stripped his Mandalorian name. Remember, Mandalorian is a culture and way of life. I guess you could compare it to a religion, and he was excomunicated. Mandalorians are weird like that. But enough speculating, lets just wait for a Jango comic already. Darth Ravigious (talk) 05:32, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- The point Pablo is making is that Jango's claims to be from Concord Dawn are likely BS. Mandalorians are a culture in canon, yes, but they're a culture from a specific group of planets. They are not the Legends Mandalorians, where it was a way of life anyone can adopt. All of this combined is why this page reflects that Jango is not a Mandalorian. To steal a phrase from Star Wars, when it comes to canon, you have to unlearn everything you learned from Legends. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 05:33, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- So by extension, his being from Concord Dawn is also definitely false. Should we certify that in the article or is the "allegedly" good for now? Darth Ravigious (talk) 05:36, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Pablo says it's unlikely, not that it isn't true. So while it's likely not true, we can keep any statements saying he claimed to be from there. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 05:44, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- So by extension, his being from Concord Dawn is also definitely false. Should we certify that in the article or is the "allegedly" good for now? Darth Ravigious (talk) 05:36, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- The point Pablo is making is that Jango's claims to be from Concord Dawn are likely BS. Mandalorians are a culture in canon, yes, but they're a culture from a specific group of planets. They are not the Legends Mandalorians, where it was a way of life anyone can adopt. All of this combined is why this page reflects that Jango is not a Mandalorian. To steal a phrase from Star Wars, when it comes to canon, you have to unlearn everything you learned from Legends. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 05:33, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Being born on the planet of Concord Dawn, it is still very likely that he was BORN Mandalorian and his backstory will be revealed in the future. Remember that Mandalore is a culture with high standards. Since the New Mandalorians became peace loving hippies, they could have exiled Fett and stripped his Mandalorian name. Remember, Mandalorian is a culture and way of life. I guess you could compare it to a religion, and he was excomunicated. Mandalorians are weird like that. But enough speculating, lets just wait for a Jango comic already. Darth Ravigious (talk) 05:32, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- This change further solidifies that he isn't Mandalorian IU, however, and is a pretty cool link to Almec's comment. It seems like he was a pretender. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 05:26, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- That's stupid and makes me mad, but I stand corrected. Fixed his page to "he claimed to be from Concord Dawn" btw Darth Ravigious (talk) 05:22, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
- Jango Fett is not a Mandalorian. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 05:16, April 6, 2016 (UTC)
Too many things named Mandalore/Mandalorian
Possible solution to the Mandalorian issue. we are told he is not mandalorian, but he is frequently referred to as such, especially in regards to his equipment and fighting style. Since the reason we are being told he is not Mandalorian is due to his world of origin being Concord Dawn, yet we see other worlds (like kalevala) where the inhabitants are called mandalorians, i believe what is happening is that the Mandalorian race/ethnicity (that branch of humanity that originated on mandalore the planet, and colonized a bunch of others) is being confused with the Mandalorian Cultural/Philosophical construct. Since both are called the exact same thing, it would be easy to mix them up. So Jango (and by extension Boba and the Clones) would not be Mandalorian ethnicity (instead possibly some native Concord Dawn ethnicity), but Jango had been trained and raised to follow the Mandalorian traditions, including their military traditions. So from the standpoint of the 'New mandalorians' and the Deathwatch, who were of the Mandalore ethnicity, Jango is not a mandalorian. although he very clearly followed their social and philosophical traditions. Mithril (talk) 21:34, December 7, 2017 (UTC)
Z-6 Jetpack article
This maybe controversial, but the way that the article is worded: "The Z-6 Jetpack was the preferred jetpack of Mandalorian commandos across the galaxy, from the more organized sects like Death Watch to the outliers on the fringe, like Jango Fett and Boba Fett", confirms that both of the Fetts are Mandolorians. No one from Lucasfilm has bothered to change the wording over the years which suggests to me that it's deliberately worded like that; the directional words "across", "from" and "to" emphasizing that.
So if anyone opposes me adding "Mandalorian" to both of the Fetts and using this source, please explain why. Kind regards Tomotron 
(talk) 00:32, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- Because that very article claims that the Fetts are "outliers on the fringe," which is consistent with what we learned in The Clone Wars. I think it's a tad bit of a reach to read "The Fetts are Mandalorians" into that little phrase. Furthermore, regardless of the vague wording of an article on a jetpack, the Story Group, Lucasfilm, etc., has been consistent every time this question comes up. The Fetts are pretenders, not true Mandalorians. GokūBlack10 (Talk) 01:04, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- The story group however have also said that social media posts are not canon and Star Wars: The Mandalorian has re-established the Legends concept of Mandalorian being a culture/creed rather than a race so there is no such thing as a "True Mandalorian" in regards to ethnicity. Tomotron
(talk) 01:13, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- From The Mandalore Plot "Are you certain? I recently encountered a man who Wore mandalorian armor, Jango Fett. Jango Fett was a common Bounty hunter. How he acquired that armor is beyond me." Unless something new says that they're Mandalorians, I don't think we should treat them as such. The episode is clearly saying that the Mandalorian government didn't recognized them as such.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 01:18, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- You can read Almec's statement in a few ways, he's not necessarily reliable. But it's still a murky subject with no definitive answer. Probably best to leave it. RattsT (talk) 01:22, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- I agree mostly with RattsT, a quote from Almec is not as reliable as something that's from the Databank. Almec was an opportunist and was corrupt. He would say anything in order to keep power. Tomotron (talk) 01:28, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- The databank has been wrong before, and still states wrong information, its not vetted by the story group. I don't think there's a definitive answer yet, which usually comes down to there hasn't really been a story reason for it to be answered yet. Until that point, the best we can do is just do what we've done, state that Jango claimed to be from Concord Dawn but others claimed he was just a bounty hunter who stole it the armor --Lewisr (talk) 01:30, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- Yup, this won't be solved today, we should wait for further information about Jango and the Mandalorians.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 01:35, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- The databank has been wrong before, and still states wrong information, its not vetted by the story group. I don't think there's a definitive answer yet, which usually comes down to there hasn't really been a story reason for it to be answered yet. Until that point, the best we can do is just do what we've done, state that Jango claimed to be from Concord Dawn but others claimed he was just a bounty hunter who stole it the armor --Lewisr (talk) 01:30, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- I agree mostly with RattsT, a quote from Almec is not as reliable as something that's from the Databank. Almec was an opportunist and was corrupt. He would say anything in order to keep power. Tomotron
- You can read Almec's statement in a few ways, he's not necessarily reliable. But it's still a murky subject with no definitive answer. Probably best to leave it. RattsT (talk) 01:22, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- From The Mandalore Plot "Are you certain? I recently encountered a man who Wore mandalorian armor, Jango Fett. Jango Fett was a common Bounty hunter. How he acquired that armor is beyond me." Unless something new says that they're Mandalorians, I don't think we should treat them as such. The episode is clearly saying that the Mandalorian government didn't recognized them as such.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 01:18, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
- The story group however have also said that social media posts are not canon and Star Wars: The Mandalorian has re-established the Legends concept of Mandalorian being a culture/creed rather than a race so there is no such thing as a "True Mandalorian" in regards to ethnicity. Tomotron
Helmet Collection 17
Given that this source seems to freely mix Legends and canon info and the fact the Lucasfilm Story Group has repeatedly said even after this issue's publication that Jango isn't a Mandalorian, I'm not sure that that information belongs on this article. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 19:45, May 6, 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry for the late reply, I understand your concerns about the Fetts not being Mandalorians from the social media posts, but you would already know this, according to the canon policy, we shouldn't treat social media posts from the Story Group as canon i.e. Twitter posts from Pablo Hidalgo or Matt Martin. Even Pablo Hidalgo stated, not to treat posts from Story Group members on Twitter, Instagram etc. as canon. Regarding the canon status of Helmet Collection, there has nothing been stated yet about the series being Legends content or non-canon, so the series most likely has simply re-canonized Legends info. Kind regards —Tomotron (Star Forge) 06:17, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. The LGS' stance on Jango's status as non-Mandalorian has been reflected in relatively recently sources like the updated Visual Dictionary, which was released after this issue of Helmet Collection, hence my suspicion of the canonicity of this information. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 07:10, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
- No problem, if you are fine with this, I'll change the template to the two conflicting sources one. Kind regards —Tomotron (Star Forge) 07:35, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
- It's more like a pile of sources saying he's not a Mando, with just the one saying he is. As a result, I'd recommend reverting your edits and moving the Helmet Collection bit to the Bts. I don't see why that source should have primacy over more recent ones. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 06:14, May 10, 2020 (UTC)
- So should the Fetts still be listed as Mandalorians on their pages if this single, questionably canon source is the only thing supporting it? Especially considering how other, more concretely canon and recent sources say otherwise.--Kpengie (Message Wall) 03:00, May 15, 2020 (UTC)
- No problem, if you are fine with this, I'll change the template to the two conflicting sources one. Kind regards —Tomotron
- Thank you for your reply. The LGS' stance on Jango's status as non-Mandalorian has been reflected in relatively recently sources like the updated Visual Dictionary, which was released after this issue of Helmet Collection, hence my suspicion of the canonicity of this information. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 07:10, May 8, 2020 (UTC)
Mandalorian?
Having seen that there was just an edit war on this, I feel it would be a good idea to properly figure this out. Personally, I would argue that the more recent Visual Dictionary is a much more valid source than the helmet collection from years ago, especially considering Filoni's comments on the matter. Obviously administrators and moderators would hold more authority on what the position on Wookieepedia is on this matter, but I just thought that it would be a good idea to properly nail down what the story is here, and generally speaking on this wiki, I've noticed that more recent sources typically take precedent over older sources (though older sources are still often mentioned in the Behind the Scenes section). Also, Jango being Mandalorian is only mentioned in a single source, whereas several sources say he is not.--Kpengie (Message Wall) 18:38, May 17, 2020 (UTC)
- Jango is also considered a Mandalorian per Z-6 Jetpack in the Databank (backup link), which is the most current source available. MasterFredcerique 19:02, May 17, 2020 (UTC)
- I've seen that source, and it seems sketchy at best for whether it even means that he's a Mandalorian. He's described as an "outlier on the fringe," which could mean any number of things, and isn't directly said to be a Mandalorian at all. It's also uncertain how much coordination there was between that source and the story group and Dave Filoni, who have said otherwise on the subject.--Kpengie (Message Wall) 20:56, May 17, 2020 (UTC)
- Where does the CVD actually say he's not Mandalorian? I have the book and the only reference I see is the part saying he claims to be from Concord Dawn but "his true history is shrouded in mystery... which is just how he likes it." (Typing from memory, might have a word wrong) It heavily edits out the detailed information about his heritage in the Legends edition, but I don't see where it actually says he's not. Toqgers (talk) 19:31, May 17, 2020 (UTC)
- Him not being a Mandalorian, but maybe claiming to be, is what Filoni says. Him claiming to be from a Mandalorian world is consistent with that. That's likely where the idea of it being a source for that coming from. Helmet collection booklets are a sketchy source at best, especially when information presented in it contradicts what writers of Star Wars works (Including Lucas himself) have said.--Kpengie (Message Wall) 06:40, May 18, 2020 (UTC)
- Filoni can say whatever he wants, but we have to properly attribute all info on the wiki to a canonical source. Published material like Helmet Collection holds ground above personal remarks. Now, if a member of the Story Group were to come out and denounce the canoncity of HC, that would be different. But as of now that's not the case. RattsT (talk) 07:06, May 18, 2020 (UTC)
- Him not being a Mandalorian, but maybe claiming to be, is what Filoni says. Him claiming to be from a Mandalorian world is consistent with that. That's likely where the idea of it being a source for that coming from. Helmet collection booklets are a sketchy source at best, especially when information presented in it contradicts what writers of Star Wars works (Including Lucas himself) have said.--Kpengie (Message Wall) 06:40, May 18, 2020 (UTC)
Why no Star Wars: Bounty Hunter?
I was really confused why there is no mention in this article of Jango Fett's own video game for the PS and the Game Cube, Star Wars: Bounty Hunter. It fleshes out a lot of his (non-canon) backstory, so I would think it would at least get a mention under "Appearances." Is there a reason it's excluded?
Jango's origin still unclear
There seems to be some edits being made to Jango Fett to incorrectly reflect canonical information regarding Jango Fett's origin as a Mandalorian. This has not been confirmed. The only thing that has been confirmed is that he was a foundling who fought in the Mandalorian Civil War. The timing of aforementioned event places him at around 16 years old, which is not of age to take the creed. The information provided to us thus far is that he was a foundling, and his mentor was Jaste. However, contextual evidence surrounding his early life still suggest he had left to become a bounty hunter before he could take the creed and swear allegiance to Mandalore.
In the episode in question, The Tragedy, which these edits are based off of. Din Djarin asks Boba Fett if he is Mandalorian. Boba Fett replies, "I'm just a simple man, trying to make his way in the galaxy, like my father." and Din responds, "Did you take the creed?" Boba Fett replies, "I give my allegiance to no one."
As of now, we only have information pointing to Jango having once been a foundling. We do not have evidence that he in fact took the creed, served in a clan, or swore allegiance to Mandalore. Please stop making this edit. It is factually incorrect, and highly speculative. We can only make this edit once they confirm the actual details surrounding Jango's early life as a foundling. Wookieepedia is not a speculative forum. Elementxstyle (talk) 23:30, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- My understanding is that all foundlings a subgroup of the Mandalorians. Thus, if Jango was a foundling, he must have been a Mandalorian. It's possible I am misunderstanding this, however. VergenceScatter (talk) 23:09, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- No, Foundlings are only mentored/adopted by the Mandalorian Warrior who found them. As stated in canon, when that foundling becomes of age, they either choose to leave or become a Mandalorian by taking the creed. This logic would suggest Grogu is in fact a Mandalorian as well. But Grogu is not. The Foundling must first become of age, then choose a path. Elementxstyle (talk) 23:30, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
- The info you provided is original research, unless you have reliable canon sources i.e. not social media posts, that state in order to be a Mandalorian they had to take the creed, be in a clan and swear allegiance to Mandalore, especially your last two points. Jango Fett was given his armor by the Mandalorians, according to the episode, implying that he was accepted as one of them. Grogu however, doesn't have Mandalorian armor. I suggest we leave it as is, until either the last two episodes of season two, the Mandalorian novels/comics or the visual dictionary explains the full story of it. Then we can make a decision. —Tomotron (Star Forge) 02:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Implication is still speculative. We have contradicting information from Prime Minister Almec who says Jango Fett's armor was stolen. Two accounts that contradict each other. Since no canon source exists confirming either account, then the implication should not be accepted or rather than article should be edited to reflect the implication, and not written to explicitly confirm. As such since we have two contradicting accounts - we have the Databank as the only source. Databank shows no updated entry for Jango Fett showing as Mandalorian, while every confirmed Mandalorian is stated in their Databank entry. To claim that he is Mandalorian in the entry, is erroneous and speculative in nature. Elementxstyle (talk) 06:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Almec doesn't know everything, he turned out corrupt anyway and the dynamic Databank isn't always reliable and updated, although the Z-6 jetpack entry states the Fetts are Mandalorians, independent from other claims. Helmet Collection also states that Jango Fett was one and truly came from Concord Dawn, which was a Mandalorian world according to Star Wars Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded. Boba Fett's chain code also mentions the planet. —Tomotron (Star Forge) 06:38, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- As a lore master the acceptance of speculative information sends me. A Z-6 Jetpack is hardly proof considering hardware can be stolen or appropriated. Also, we cannot confirm the canonicity of Helmet Collection. Rako Hardeen is also from Concord Dawn, but he is not a Mandalorian. Everything you said was either using an unreliable source or conjecture based on a shakey foundation. And again, speculative. Wookieepedia is truly losing its credibility with the allowance of speculative information in their entries. Elementxstyle (talk) 07:55, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- There is nothing speculative about this. All of this information comes from the show. Jango is Mandalorian. All it takes to realize this is to recognize two factors: 1) Din believes Mando armor belongs only with Mandalorians, he does not budge on this, and 2) Din lets Boba have the armor after seeing proof that Jango was a foundling, thus accepting that he was a Mandalorian. This is all very plainly explained in the show, there shouldn't be a question here. RattsT (talk) 09:40, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- As a lore master the acceptance of speculative information sends me. A Z-6 Jetpack is hardly proof considering hardware can be stolen or appropriated. Also, we cannot confirm the canonicity of Helmet Collection. Rako Hardeen is also from Concord Dawn, but he is not a Mandalorian. Everything you said was either using an unreliable source or conjecture based on a shakey foundation. And again, speculative. Wookieepedia is truly losing its credibility with the allowance of speculative information in their entries. Elementxstyle (talk) 07:55, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Almec doesn't know everything, he turned out corrupt anyway and the dynamic Databank isn't always reliable and updated, although the Z-6 jetpack entry states the Fetts are Mandalorians, independent from other claims. Helmet Collection also states that Jango Fett was one and truly came from Concord Dawn, which was a Mandalorian world according to Star Wars Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded. Boba Fett's chain code also mentions the planet. —Tomotron
- Implication is still speculative. We have contradicting information from Prime Minister Almec who says Jango Fett's armor was stolen. Two accounts that contradict each other. Since no canon source exists confirming either account, then the implication should not be accepted or rather than article should be edited to reflect the implication, and not written to explicitly confirm. As such since we have two contradicting accounts - we have the Databank as the only source. Databank shows no updated entry for Jango Fett showing as Mandalorian, while every confirmed Mandalorian is stated in their Databank entry. To claim that he is Mandalorian in the entry, is erroneous and speculative in nature. Elementxstyle (talk) 06:03, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- The info you provided is original research, unless you have reliable canon sources i.e. not social media posts, that state in order to be a Mandalorian they had to take the creed, be in a clan and swear allegiance to Mandalore, especially your last two points. Jango Fett was given his armor by the Mandalorians, according to the episode, implying that he was accepted as one of them. Grogu however, doesn't have Mandalorian armor. I suggest we leave it as is, until either the last two episodes of season two, the Mandalorian novels/comics or the visual dictionary explains the full story of it. Then we can make a decision. —Tomotron
- No, Foundlings are only mentored/adopted by the Mandalorian Warrior who found them. As stated in canon, when that foundling becomes of age, they either choose to leave or become a Mandalorian by taking the creed. This logic would suggest Grogu is in fact a Mandalorian as well. But Grogu is not. The Foundling must first become of age, then choose a path. Elementxstyle (talk) 23:30, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
The Chain Code
The chain code on the Fett Mandalorian armor... If fully translated, it first says "Boba" and "Fett". next line, "Father Fett", and next was "Mentor Jaste", next is "Concord Dawn", next is "The year the", next "Took into", and finally "Foundling". Take aways, if it can be accepted as such, does this mean Jango was found on his homeworld by the Mandalorians who found him and made him a foundling?...better yet, the very mysterious "Jaste" (love the Jaster Mareel ref) who was his mentor? Fictionmaster35 (talk) 1:47, 18 April 2023 (UTC)