Talk: Imperial Sentinel

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Is the use of Luke's genetic material in the creation of those Sentinels from the Dark Empire Sourcebook? --SparqMan 16:49, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Nope, there's no mention of this in DEI, DEII, or the DESB. Fully fanon. - Trip 05:35, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- Actually it's conjecture, not complete fanon. In DE, Luke refer to Leia's guards as "My Sentinels" and the DESB states that sentinels are mentally controled by their genetic donor, and that the process of creating one is a test all of Palpatines Dark Side adepts take. So, either the two sentinels are a special breed that we haven't heard about before or they really are Luke's clones. Charlii 12:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
  - Genetically modified clones. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:11, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
    - No, it is fanon, and has no foundation in the canon. Nothing in the Dark Empire Sourcebook indicates that they're clones of Dark Adepts, let alone Skywalker himself. All it says is that Adepts mutate preexisting clones-- from an unknown source-- with Dark Side energies and form a mental link with them:

The Sentinels are clones, mutated by the Dark Side Adepts as part of their training. During the growth cycle, odd chemicals that suppress the growth of higher brain functions are introduced. Simultaneously, the Adepts attempt to form a mental link to them. If the process is successful, the Sentinels end up as automatons: living statues dependent on the will of the Adepts themselves for purpose or movement. If the process is unsuccessful, the living monstrosities are disposed of.

"Mutated by Dark Side adepts" does not mean "cloned from Dark Side adapts." Unless I have a bad copy of the DESB, there's no basis for the section on "Skywalker Sentinels."

I'm reverting again. -- Trip 15:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

And I'm reverting it again. In my copy, it says they are cloned from the same person they share a mental link with. Don't revert it again. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:38, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
- Would mind providing the full quote, please? Trip 21:45, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
  - Here is information directly from the sourcebook: "Still others whisper the Dark Side Adepts are somehow behind these aberrations. Little do these whisperers realize just how close to the truth they may be.

The Sentinels are clones, mutated by their Dark Side Adepts as part of their training. During the growth cycle, odd chemicals that suppress the growth of higher brain functions are introduced. Simultaneously, the Adepts attempt to form a mental link to them. If the process is successful, the Sentinels end up as automatons: living statues dependent on the will of the Adepts themselves for purpose or movement. If the process is unsuccessful, the living monstrosities are disposed of."

Perhaps one of our books are in error, but mine says "their" instead of "the". Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)}

22:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

- - - I don't own the book, just a scanned copy. It says "the", but it could be a bad scan. Charlii 12:23, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
      - Well, like I said, mine has "their". Regardless of which is right, Luke does say that those sentinels are his, so there's no need to remove that section again. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:57, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
        Regardless of whether the wording is "the" or "their," nothing in that description indicates that Sentinels were clones of Dark Adepts, let alone Skywalker. I removed the section in question again; if it's felt necessary, I suppose a note could be added in the BTS section, but even that seems unneeded since the Luke clone idea is essentially unfounded. - Trip 06:37, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
        Trip is right. The phrase their dark side adepts in no way means the sentinel is a clone of the adept. The word their simply refers to the adept that is mutating and creating them. - JMAS 06:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I reckon the best way to decide which wording is right is to find out how many people out there have a copy that says "the" and how many have a copy that says "their", then the one most people own should be the one to go with. So who has a copy that says "the Dark Side Adepts" and who has a copy that says "their Dark Side Adepts"?

But the section on Skywalker's sentinels should be kept in. At worst, it's conjecture, not fanon. So don't remove it again. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:12, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
- And if you do, please don't revert the grammar and past-tense corrections in the rest of the article... Charlii 14:24, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
  - Yeah, the current section is fine. That anon wasn't me, incidentally. :P - Trip 19:22, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
    - So you're okay with the Skywalker's sentinels section? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 21:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
      - Yeah, it's fine the way it is now. The only part that needed removal was them being his clones. Trip 05:24, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
        But it should still be mentioned that they might have been. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:12, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

To 000 and Jack Nebulax

Please calm down and try to reach an agreement on this. - Sikon 11:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't see how one can be made in this case. The only way this will be solved is if the other side backs down. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:14, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- By rewording it so it doesn't sound like it's fan speculation. And if it is fan speculation (I'm assuming it is) then it has to be removed. You know better then to include "It is possible...." in an article. Unless one of the characters say "Maybe they were clones of Palpy blah blah blah" then keep it in but reword it but otherwise, it must be removed. --Redemption^Talk 11:27, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
  - It's based off Luke's comment, stated above. "My sentinels" may not mean they are his, but it does show the possibility that these sentinels were genetically-modified clones of himself. Therefore, it does not need to be removed, because it has some proof behind it, no matter how vague that one comment may be on this. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:30, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
    - Then reword it so it doesn't sound so fan-based. And you should know that when it comes to employees and other things like that, the employer will say "My employees..." and it doesn't mean that they are clones of the employer. --Redemption^Talk 11:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
      - And how do you suggest I reword it? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 20:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
        It has to be removed, period. There's absolutely no evidence that they've been cloned from Luke: it's complete speculation. -- Trip 23:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
        No. Either you compromise or back down. I'm not. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:13, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
        You are in no position to issue an ultimatum. I gave you a compromise. Reword the damn sentence. If you can't do that, then there isn't anything I can do for you. --Redemption^Talk 14:16, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
        Redemption, I believe this is between me and 000. I want to hear a compromise from 000 first. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:20, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
        There. I've reworded it. And, 000, if you're still not satisfied, you compromise. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 14:27, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Zeta Magnus Connection

How would the connection made between Zeta Magnus and the Sentinels in SkyeWalkers be incorporated into this article? Would it be appropriate to mention this in the body, or only in the behind the scenes? This is what the author said on TheForce.net: "Part of the way I developed Zeta Magnus was by interpolating from the Imperial Sentinels on Byss. The Dark Empire Sourcebook suggested it was a mystery whether they were clones or cyborgs, and this inspired my idea that the ATHAs were a kind of cloned army created by the Arkanians. It was also the reason I slipped just a bit of the Amorphiian DNA (or whatever passes for DNA with those guys) into Magnus' make up. The Imperial Sentinels were also described as "mute giants" whose brain functions were intentionally suppressed. This suggested to me that Magnus should be the categorical opposite of this: verbose and very intelligent. I figured Palpatine would've created the Imperial Sentinels as a mockery of Magnus". Magnus is obviously meant to be the progenitor of the Sentinels, surely the connection in article shouldn't be purely by appearance alone. Logan.Likes.Legends (talk) 22:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Generally, this type of information is in the BTS; how authors develop concepts/create them/get inspired by them etc. As for body, that Palpatine created the Sentinels as a mockery of Magnus could be there, as we do take authorial intent for their own works as canon. But, it should be phrased as close to the author's wording as possible, so would avoid outright stating progenator unless Peña uses that term in a different post.—spookywilloww^talk 23:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)