Talk: Grand Admiral/Legends

Alternate Rank Badge

Is there actually a canon source for the alternate rank badge? AFAIK, I've never seen it used in my researches on the Grand Admirals.

See Rank Insignia of the Galactic Empire. PS, what's AFAIK mean? I should know it, as a student, but apparantly I don't. --LtNOWIS 19:15, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

As Far As I Know. --JSarek 19:17, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Does Isard use the alternate rank-badge? *snark* Either way, the images are OOU (as is almost anything on the Rank Insignia page); perhaps replace them with the picture of Zaarin and a good shot of Thrawn? Also, shouldn't Thrawn have been officially replaced following his public exile to the Unknown Regions? --McEwok 11:14, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Grand Admirals

I thought Zaarin never was appointed Grand Admiral, but styled himself one as soon as he defected? Also, where do the given names come from? I recognize the names as West End Games material, but who gave the given names? --Gen.d 11:25, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Zaarin was indeed a Grand Admiral from the start, as mentioned in the Essential Chronology. First names, for those who have not been fully named in earlier material, are all from Star Wars Insider #66; a great deal of biographical detail yet to be added to the Wiki is also in that issue. --JSarek 09:32, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

List

Do we need a list of them, when they're all already mentioned in the text of the article? jSarek 06:57, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

It's repetitive. I think it should be removed. JimRaynor55 07:32, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Competence

Is it just me, or is the only non-human among the Grand Admirals the only competent one? Half of them seem to be |COMPNOR lackeys, one is a spice addict, another was a religious fanatic—what was Emperor Palpatine thinking? These are the people he wanted controlling the Imperial Navy? No wonder the Empire lost. -- SFH 23:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

• Well, Palpatine was a Sith Lord... I guess he thought that he didn't need strong leaders, since he was immune to death for a while. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
• He didn't want them in those positions for their tactical skill—there were practically no threats left in the Galaxy before the Rebels. No, he wanted these men because they were adept politicans who knew how to subdue entire sectors. --Imp 23:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Good point. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:25, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
• Actually, the others WERE highly competent, for the most part. Takel, for example, was a strategic genius, even while addicted to drugs. Thrawn was the best, no doubt, but the others weren't bumbling idiots when it came to warfare, except for Rufaan Tigellinus and Ishin-Il-Raz, who were promoted for solely political reasons. QuentinGeorge 04:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
  • That's true. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Dark Empire GAs

Never heard of them before. What's the evidence? Thanos6 04:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

• I think it's fanon. I'll wait for a little until I remove it, just in case a source is presented. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 21:03, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
• It comes from an offhand reference in Byss and the Deep Core, found here. Referring to the Eclipse, it says "An orbital battlestation in its own right, meetings between the Grand Admirals and other important business of the Imperial Navy take place in one of the many war rooms aboard the massive capital ship." Since Eclipse wasn't seen in use until 10 ABY, and it says that meetings "take place" in present tense, it could be inferred that Palpatine reconstituted the circle of Grand Admirals. There was a discussion at the Jedi Council Forums (here) prompted by this very article, but there wasn't any real consensus as to the actual meaning of the passage. I think it's ambiguous enough to leave it in. —Darth Culator (talk) 21:31, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Okay, then, thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax ^(talk) 21:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Grand Admiral/High Admiral?

In Darksaber, the rank of High Admiral is stated as being superior to Grand Admiral: Daala reflects that the warlords concocted higher and "increasingly ridiculous" ranks for themselves: "from Grand Admiral to High Admiral, to Supreme Commander..." But other sources says differently. Could it be that the ranks' positions changed in the Remnant, as the powers of the Grand Admirals was so explicitly tied to Palpatine's own? Custodes 08:39, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

• That's probably just a mistake. Established canon says Grand Admiral was the highest with High Admiral below it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 11:10, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
  • The explanation for that AFAIK, is that they created new titles for themselves, which were to sound more prestigious than did their previous titles. With no one to tell them what to do or to award rank, why the heck not. Serendipitousus 08:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
    • But they wouldn't give themselves a lower rank and make that rank higher. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:21, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
      • I think the preposition "from" can be taken to show the breadth of the titles, rather than a progression; e.g. the phrase "from sea to shining sea" doesn't mean that the sea got *promoted* to shining sea. jSarek 23:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
        • Good point. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 00:05, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

List for Warlords?

Should we add a list for Imperial Warlords who assumed the rank? Evir Daal 09:02, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

FoC

Just added to the appearances section by an anon...I corrected the link, but I'm not sure that the title is even used in FoC. Thrawn makes an appearance, sure, but I don't think that his canon timeline has him established as a Grand Admiral, yet. Anybody else have any more info? --School of Thrawn 101 10:49, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

What does that make Darth Vader?

As we all know, the Emperor is defenitely the most powerful title that an Imperial Recruit/Officer/Miscellaneous can have. Executor comes next (possibly), and the Grand Vizier, which is basically the Emperor's confidant, is the next in line. So if other members of the Empire have these titles, what does that make Darth Vader? Yes, I understand that he is the Emperor's apprentice, but, I want to know which IMPERIAL rank he has.

• Vader doesn't have an official title. He may have been an Executor, but that's unconfirmed. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 19:17, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
• Vader held the title of Supreme Commander of the Imperial Forces. RebelRogue 18:19, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Adept, because when those two idiot Adepts were picking on Fett, Fett says "Vader was a whole lot better than you n00bs," (or something like that), and the adepts say "His power has passed onto us."—B-Boba Fett! ^{Make the check out to "Boba Fett"} 18:39, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

Alternate Rank Badge, Redux

To revisit a comment I made almost a decade ago, "Is there actually a canon source for the alternate rank badge? AFAIK, I've never seen it used in my researches on the Grand Admirals." And to revisit McEwok's follow-up, "Either way, the images are OOU." I've yanked the rank badge images; I'm sure a suitable image for the standard insignia will show back up, but even after ten years I don't recall ever seeing this alleged alternate badge. jSarek (talk) 19:52, December 31, 2014 (UTC)

BTS Facebook Citation

The article currently uses a facebook link from "Star Wars Books" as the BTS for the source of the title. The facebook post is merely a quote from Heir to the Empire: The 20th Anniversary Edition's Chapter 1 Annotation #7 (the post calls it #13). It seems that was used because it was posted a few months before the release of the book. I'm not sure the policies for that, but it seems that the ref should be to the book itself and not a random facebook post. 216.189.169.71 17:01, 20 August 2022 (UTC)