The Force Unleashed II
Someone added a line stating that the power is possibly seen in the cinematic of the E3 trailer. I saw grip, crush, lightning, throw, repulse, jump and other telekinetic abilities. However I saw no example of destruction what so ever. I looked at the extended gameplay trailer and saw examples of force fury which enhances all the force abilities and showed us that he can make push and grip do massive damage and they even identified the powers used plus fury makes the lightsabers swings ranged. I also saw saber throw and grip in the gameplay as well. The game clearly has new and vastly improved effects for all the powers. I however saw no examples of Force Destruction. No energy balls were released during the charged push early on (several demos are the same level but they differ slightly in how the demo was approached). It appeared as if when he released the push it hit almost instantly but did what it did in the first game however slightly modified for better effect and appeal. I therefore request that The Force Unleashed II be removed from here UNTIL we either 1) get a confirmation from a legitimate source or 2) see the game for our selves and it is in there clear as day. SuperSirius 19:18, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
Attention, I will take the action of revising the image on the article page If no one else does
- BaronGrackle is right. That power that Jerec uses on Rahn in the opening scene of the game is not I repeat, not Force Destruction.
The power is clearly defined as having the effect of destroying objects with a single blast, as mentioned above. The power Jerec used on Rahn was, I believe, Force Absorb, If you think about it, he launched the orb at Kyle and all of Rahn's strength and energy seemed to ebb away - If you look at the descriptive picture for Force Absorb in the manual it is a glowing ball of energy. Jerec may have used a variation of Absorb to defeat Rahn. Second, the attack that Jerec fired at Kyle when they were on the falling ship was Force Destruction, it looked like it and acted like it, Kyle was knocked down by the sudden dispersal of kinetic energy given off by the orb in it's wake and the main attack missed but the backlash caused the ship to buckle and break apart sending destructive energy and fire everywhere behind him.
Lastly, the ability Yun uses on Kyle is Force Push. It was a power in the game, used also by Boc and Gorc but wasn't a playable power in the game, in the cutscene the Force push power is displayed visually through the use of light, similarly to how it is displayed in later games like Jedi Academy and The Force Unleased.
Have I answered all your questions? Now someone remove that picture of Jerec on the main page and replace it with the one on Ruusan, before I do. --The truth hurts... 20:12, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
It should be replaced with this image: http://img171.( image shack dot U S )/img171/1906/realforcedestructionzn7.png
- 1) Saying it is Absorb or Push is complete speculation.
2) That image is very low-quality.
3) You (generally) need consensus on a talk page to change the main image. Seeing that BaronGrackle eventually agreed with me that it is, in fact, Destruction, that places you in the minority.
4) If we can't all agree to disagree, we'll just have to switch back to the in-game image of Mara using it. It's the only way to be indisputably sure what power it is. Din's Fire 997 01:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- 1. If it was Destruction, Rahn would have been blown to bits/ or the equipment in the room would have at least flew to the ground.
2. The image I provided was an example.
3. I don't care If I'm the minority, that dosen't make you right. I'll see into getting some others to check it out as well.
4. If the image does get switched, then it will accordingly use the proper image of Jerec using Force Destruction the only time he actually has in the game - during the falling ship cutscene.
5. Btw, Yun's attack was Force Push, If you have 20/20 vision you can see that, and we know that light is used as a special effect in other games for Force Push, as pointed out already - pay attention. --69.51.150.90 21:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, seeing as you have clearly not even read the very talk page you are writing on, I'll try to do this one last time.
1) Force Destruction does not always kill a target. As shown in the novels, the power can cause varying levels of damage, and also strikes with kinetic force. Thus, the fact that Rahn didn't go boom does not preclude the power in question being Destruction.
2) Alright, fair enough. But before we start talking image swap, let's get something decent, shall we?
3) What you are describing sounds like it could very easily turn into flesh puppetry, which is against policy here.
4) If no consensus can be reached, the in-game Mara image is the only reasonable choice. The fact of the matter is that no image of a live-action actor is any more verifiable than any other. You have no more proof that what is depicted in your image is Destruction than I do on the other one (personally, I think they both are, but hey, it's not my opinion that matters here)
5) In-game special effects as proof is not admissible here. As has been determined countless times before, Force powers are often exaggerated in places for artistic/gameplay reasons. Thus, as far as this wiki is concerned, Force Protection doesn't cause a glowy green aura, Force push doesn't cause a whooshing sound effect, and Death Field might not even exist. Generally speaking, the chain of canon is Actors > Written word > Cutscenes > Gameplay. Din's Fire 997 05:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, seeing as you have clearly not even read the very talk page you are writing on, I'll try to do this one last time.
Gameplay
"Only Jedi of the Master level were able to spend their Force reserve on this ability." Do I smell gameplay mechanics here? I believe so. Red XIV 18:45, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
- And Boc doesn't use it, at least in the game MoffRebus 00:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
- I know this is an old comment, but Boc does use it if you put a lot of distance between you. It may have been my imagination, but it seemed like everytime I fired a Destruction at him (as a darksider) he lobbed one right back. -BaronGrackle 09:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- And Boc doesn't use it, at least in the game MoffRebus 00:58, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Cin Dralic uses it in the Episode III Game should it be noted?24.215.171.40 04:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
- Drallig uses Sai Bomb in the game, not Force Destruction. --69.51.150.90 00:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Darth my ***
Jerec was no Darth! EDIT!!DarthMRN
Does Jerec ever use the ability prior to when he starts siphoning power from the Valley of the Jedi? -JC
- Interesting theory. No he didn't, so it might be a Valley-only thing. Or at least something that can only be done inside a Force nexus.DarthMRN
- Again, an old comment, but Jerec may have been using the power when he knocked Kyle into the falling ship, after Kyle stayed true to the light side. This is still on the planet Ruusan, but it's not in the nexus chamber, and it happens before Jerec begins siphoning. Then again, there are other occurences of Force powers in cutscenes that don't correlate to game powers (Jerec paralyzing Rahn; Yun firing something at Kyle), so what happens prior to the falling ship may not necessarily be Destruction. -BaronGrackle 09:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Vader
Darth Vader does not use the Force Destruction power. He is firing a kinetite or restrained energy sphere at Luke. As confirmed by Pablo Hidalgo in one Insider column, this ability is not a Force power at all, but the product of a device Vader has built into his suit.Grand Admiral Sean8 22:26, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
Jerec's attack on Rahn
I thought this had been discussed already, but perhaps it hasn't. I feel there's just too much discrepancy between the power Jerec uses against Rahn and the power we see in every other part of the game. From our article:
"it could blast a large radius vaporizing anyone who got too near it. Even those who escaped direct contact with the blast would be pushed asunder by the power's backlash"
Force Destruction knocks or attempts to knock its victim away. When Jerec uses his power on Rahn, Rahn is not knocked anywhere; he is frozen. He glows and then falls to his knees. This seems completely different from the effects of Destruction. On the other hand, I could agree with an argument that Jerec probably uses Destruction on Kyle, before Kyle is sent into the falling ship. Could we get an image of that instead? -BaronGrackle 00:57, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- I'm going to have to disagree. I mean really, what are the odds of the designers attempting to introduce two glowy-power-ball powers in one game? Add to that that this is the only time it behaves this way, and there shouldn't be much doubt: call it artistic licence, a variation by Jerec, what you will, it is meant to be Destruction. Besides, in Dark Forces: Rebel Agent the blast does kill him. Add on to that the fact that, in-game, if Destruction does kill a target, they aren't moved much at all.
- If you want an in-universe answer, you can say Rahn went into shock or something. It's still Destruction.
- That being said, if you want to get a different screenshot (like the one on the ship, as you mentioned) I wouldn't object, provided it is quality. Din's Fire 997 01:14, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
Two glowy-power-ball powers? More like three. Remember that Yun attacks Kyle with some Force energy thing—lord knows what—when the two first meet. It's not Destruction; Yun doesn't know that power. It's not any power in the game. It's almost as if the cutscenes use different Force abilities than the rest of the game for cinematic effect; they did it for Yun, and it looks like they did it for Jerec in the opening scene, too. It's not that it doesn't kill Rahn; it's that the attack has a completely opposite effect on him than Destruction generally does; it binds him instead of knocking him back. THAT being said, your comment did get me interested in the novel's interpretation, which supports Force Destruction: "A blast of energy threw Rahn backward. He fell, skidded, and attempted to rise." So, based on the book version, you've convinced me that Jerec used the power on Rahn. But the books have many differences from the game, so I may still take you up on that offer on the other image... if we find a good version of it. -BaronGrackle 06:41, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
- It seems to me that Jerec uses Destruction on Rahn, who manages to block it somewhat, but the strain paralyzes him or whatever. If it is indeed destruction at all, then unless Rahn blocked it he would've been vaporized. -MPK 22:03, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
- BaronGrackle is right. That power that Jerec uses on Rahn in the opening scene of the game is not I repeat, not Force Destruction.
The power is clearly defined as having the effect of destroying objects with a single blast, as mentioned above. The power Jerec used on Rahn was, I believe, Force Absorb, If you think about it, he launched the orb at Kyle and all of Rahn's strength and energy seemed to ebb away - If you look at the descriptive picture for Force Absorb in the manual it is a glowing ball of energy. Jerec may have used a variation of Absorb to defeat Rahn. Second, the attack that Jerec fired at Kyle when they were on the falling ship was Force Destruction, it looked like it and acted like it, Kyle was knocked down by the sudden dispersal of kinetic energy given off by the orb in it's wake and the main attack missed but the backlash caused the ship to buckle and break apart sending destructive energy and fire everywhere behind him.
Lastly, the ability Yun uses on Kyle is Force Push. It was a power in the game, used also by Boc and Gorc but wasn't a playable power in the game, in the cutscene the Force push power is displayed visually through the use of light, similarly to how it is displayed in later games like Jedi Academy and The Force Unleased.
Have I answered all your questions? Now someone remove that picture of Jerec on the main page and replace it with the one on Ruusan, before I do. --The truth hurts... 19:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Yun and Pic as users
I agreed that the description of Jerec's attack on Rahn in the novella seemed to fit the known characteristics of Force Destruction, even if the depiction of the in-game cutscene looks nothing like it (and I still hope a high quality image of Ruusan attack on Kyle can be found to replace the current image, for that very reason). However, no part of the novella describes Yun as using a power like Destruction, and I don't think anyone else feels we know enough about the power he used against Kyle in that cutscene to call it Destruction. Maybe a "possible user" would work, but even that is a far stretch. As for Gorc or Pic, I think you must be mistaken about one of them using it in the game. It just doesn't happen. I've played it again and again... plus, all the walkthrough websites and even the Official Strategy Guide fail to credit either twin with this power. -BaronGrackle 17:41, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
- Oops. When I reverted your edit, I admit that, for some reason, I was thinking of the rational for the Rahn scene, not the Yun one. (brain freeze. Sorry).
However, I fail to see what conflicts. Ball of shiny yellow power that knocks the target back? Sounds like Destruction to me.
As for Gorc & Pic, you are simply mistaken. Well, at least half way mistaken. Having had time to revisted the situation, I now remember that it was, in fact, Gorc who had the power, but there was one odd difference: it never appears when he uses it. The sound effect plays and you're knocked back, but no shiny energyballs.
So for Yun, I'll fight you tooth and claw. But if you wanna take out Pic, that's probably fine. Din's Fire 997 21:50, 8 December 2008 (UTC)- Well, User:The truth hurts... earlier seemed to attribute Gorc's unnamed power to a Force Push. I don't know if that's the case, but... you agree that there's no "fire" image when Gorc uses his Force power. Is it also true that it doesn't deal much damage, as much as it does when Boc or Jerec use their visible Force Destructions? As for Yun, what about listing him as a "Possible User", like we do with Mara Jade? There's no direct evidence that this energy ball thingy is Force Destruction, just possible evidence, and doubtful possible evidence, I think. -BaronGrackle 22:37, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
- I suppose that a "possible" tag is a fair compromise. Go ahead. Din's Fire 997 03:15, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Do we have any evidence of these users?
Kyle Katarn, Vaylin, Vitiate (listed as Sith Emperor.), Darth Bane and Galen Marek? I don't remember any of them using anything like this? (I've only played Kyle ingame and even then, only in JKII.) This question is more for my personal satisfaction than changing the article. --Pauldarklord (talk) 23:37, August 27, 2019 (UTC)