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Title dispute

Two things:

  1. "Forest Moon of Endor" is not the actual name of this moon, obviously; it's just that no canonical source has given it a name.
  2. Knowing that, it should be obvious that "forest moon" is not a proper name, simply a placeholder title used by Gial Ackbar in Episode VI.
So, the moon is not actually named "Forest Moon of Endor;" we can only assume that the Ewoks have given it a name, but until we have a canonical source saying what that name is we're forced to go by a description, not a name. Hence, there's no reason for any part of "forest moon of Endor" to be capitalized other than "Endor." MarcK 11:45, 31 Oct 2005 (UTC)

As you see, I have my sources... http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/3.gif --Master Starkeiller 11:51, 31 Oct 2005 (UTC)

  • It's customary for guides like that to capitalize each word; the point still stands that it's only a description and shouldn't be capitalized per the Wookieepedia standards. MarcK 11:59, 31 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • Well, it's in Star Wars: Complete Locations too. It's the planet's name alright. --Master Starkeiller 12:02, 31 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • Interesting development: the Databank notes that the planet's called Endor, as is the moon we're currently debating over...this complicates things slightly. As for reference books capitalizing "forest moon," think about this: from an in-universe perspective, who in their right mind would actually name it the "Forest Moon of Endor?" If somebody were to name it they'd give it an actual name; as it is now it's simply, from an out of universe perspective, a placeholder description for lack of an available proper name. MarcK 12:14, 31 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • Do we know it's orbit number around Endor? Like is it Endor 6 or Endor 3? -- SFH 15:11, 31 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • You should look at that book more closely and find that it is 'often simply called Endor'. That would solve alot of problems. However the gas giant about which it orbits is also Endor. Now it gets confusing. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:42, 31 Oct 2005 (UTC)
  • Endor (moon) is always a possibility. Or, because it's the more commonly referenced of the two, simply move it to Endor and move the actual Endor to Endor (planet). What is it with Lucas and moons surrounding uninhabitable planets anyway? MarcK 21:39, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • From the Databank: "Secluded in a remote corner of the Outer Rim Territories, the gas giant Endor and its verdant moon of the same name..." I support the idea of moving Endor to Endor (planet) and this moon to Endor. - Sikon [Talk] 02:09, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Let's put this to a vote already! --MarcK [talk] 04:33, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Well then, as it's now been a week I'd say it's time to wrap up the vote. The result of the debate was Endor, with the current "Endor" article being moved to Endor (planet). --MarcK [talk] 10:34, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Comments:

  • I'm with you that that's not actually it's name, but since it's the 4th moon of Endor, it's often called Endor 4. Perhaps we should call it that in the article?

-Zoower

Forest moon of Endor

Support:

Forest Moon of Endor

Support:

  1. Adamwankenobi 04:55, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  2. Master Starkeiller 15:39, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  3. SFH 06:02, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Endor

Support:

  1. --MarcK [talk] 04:33, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  2. Riffsyphon1024 04:45, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC) -- as long as the gas giant is renamed Endor (planet)
  3. SFH 04:47, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  4. Sikon [Talk] 05:05, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
  5. — Silly Dan 18:32, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Comments:

  • I should add that "Endor" is most likely to be used when searching for the moon so it should be the first to come up. Not many people will search for its planet. Forest Moon of Endor, Forest moon of Endor, Sanctuary Moon, and Sanctuary Moon of Endor will all redirect to Endor. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:58, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Endor (moon)

Support:

Endor with Ewok

Does anyone own this hasbro toy? It has a great globe of the moon. I found some online scans and got as many place names as I could, but there's at least one name I can't make out, a body of Water called "Feylak" .... something. Help? Any other names I failed to see?70.185.132.98 10:24, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

  • Amazingly enough, I think I do have this (it's got a spring-loaded Ewok on a glider inside, right?); I had no clue what it was, though, having bought it at a small-scale Star Wars convention in May. The body of water you're looking for, I think, is the Fey'laric Ocean. I'm not sure how seriously I'd take that globe, though, considering it places the Rear Bunker hundreds of miles from the Shield Generator, and puts the locations of several Caravan of Courage sites on another continent from Bright Tree Village. jSarek 10:49, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
    • Yes, Sarek, thx! I won't take the placements on Globe seriosuly, but the names themselves are canon, many from other sources. You may notice the similar Dagobah and Tatooine globes--at last, some placenames for Dagobah, although thye seem to all be variants of "such and such swamp" hehe!JustinGann 10:55, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Sanctuary moon?

How about calling it the Sanctuary moon of Endor? I believe it has been called that in universe.

  • I believe Endor was called as "sanctuary moon" because it was an all-preserved ecological location, in contrast with other places as Coruscant. I remember Emperor Palpatine calling Endor as "sanctuary moon" at Return of the Jedi. - Delmar Nori 23:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Cartoons

In the cartoons the Ewoks themselves call it Endor (they call the planet Tana btw).

Alien from Cartoon Wishlist

Luck Sprites Grass Trekkers Skandits Gibs the Eodon Tambles Dark Wizards Teebo's fish friend (the little one) Bilbob the Mystic Jadru the Enchantress Tumblebunny tamers

Region?

The Essential Guide to Planets and Moons places Endor, along with the whole Moddell Sector, in Wild Space. We need to find a source of more canon to verify this. Θ 06:50, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Points of Interest

Could somebody remove some or a lot of the Points of Interest in the Infobox? I would, but I the only things i consider of importance on the Moon are Bright Tree Village, the Marauder's Fortess, and the Imperial base that housed the Shield generator. So obviously there are some more places that were important. -- SFH 02:26, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

  • We'll have to make each location an article now, so as to not lose them. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:30, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Native species

I think it's a mistake to assume that every sentient species introduced in the Ewoks cartoon and comic is native to Endor. With the gravitational disturbances that Endor is known for, it's not a stretch to believe that many individuals have been stranded on Endor over the years. The species introduced on the Ewoks cartoon and comic thus do not necessarily have to be native to the moon. Many other species are likely not species at all but spirits of Ewok mythology (Frost Sprites, Luck Sprites). In short, I think that unless a source firmly establishes that a specific species is native to Endor (The Essential Guides, A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, Star Wars Encyclopedia, etc.), it should not be listed as native here. See Talk:Star Wars: Ewoks for more on this. — SavageBob 01:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

  • another posibility is that many of them are ewok subspecies
  • Granted, SavageBob. But I think it's just as big a mistake to conclusively say, as the current revision does, "In addition to the three sentient native species (Ewoks, Duloks, and Yuzzum), the forest moon is inhabited by many races descended from shipwreck survivors, including:..." Even assuming they're all nonnatives, we've no way of knowing for sure how most of these species came to Endor. I'd be more comfortable saying something to the effect that these have been found on Endor and may or may not be native. I'll do so if there is no objection....--Valin Kenobi 06:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
  • There is also a ferret seen in Caravan of Courage. should that be mentioned or is there another name for it on Endor? Micah Giett 15:59, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
  • Starting this up again: how the heck can we assume that certain species are "shipwrecked"? What sources say this? Simply assuming such is even sillier than assuming they are native. -- Ozzel 20:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
This needs bumped. The article needs cleaning up on this point.
  • First the article lists Teeks as both native and shipwrecked species - has to be one or the other
  • And the list still needs clarification. Have we confirmed all the species labelled as "shipwrecked" as such from sources? If not, the list should be split to something like Indiginous, Shipwrecked, & (something like) Origin Unknown.
It seems to me this was not worked on since the last time someone commented on it in March 2007

Medleystudios72 20:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Confederacy of Independent Systems?

Since when was Endor part of the CIS? Cutch 04:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

  • "During the Clone Wars, it had a Separatist base, discovered by Aayla Secura." Trucidar 05:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Edit -- Couple of Corrections

Two lines:

1. At first they saw C-3PO as a deity, and prepared to sacrifice the main team in celebration to the droid. Leia, who had been found and befriended by the Ewoks, saved them. The Ewoks would play a pivotal part in the forthcoming battle.

And:

2. But fortunes changed. The Ewoks, thanks to Leia's diplomatic skills, attacked the groundside Stormtrooper legions, and the Rebel commandos took advantage of the confusion.

Someone is a big fan of Leia I suppose because she had almost nothing to do with either of these. Lines changed as follows:

1. The Rebels were soon freed however after Luke Skywalker, using a few clever Force tricks, and with the help of C-3PO deceived the Ewoks into believing the droid possessed powerful magic he would use against them if his friends were not freed. Afterwards, Threepio captivated the Ewoks with an epic recounting on the events leading up to their arrival on the forest moon. The Ewoks then inducted the Rebels into their tribe with great enthusiasm, cementing their cooperation against the Imperials in the forthcoming battle in which the Ewoks would play a pivotal role.

2. But fortunes changed. The Ewoks, thanks to an impromptu distraction from C-3PO and R2-D2, attacked the groundside Stormtrooper legions, and the Rebel commandos took advantage of the confusion.

If anybody has a problem with these, I know especially the first one is a much longer, feel free to change and add notes here for details. Thanks.

Ummm... Huh?

In the Semisapient species sub-section, Dandelion warriors are called "sapient plants". See the contradiction? Since I don't know much about the Endor cartoons, I'm labelling the section with a contradiction template until it is fixed. Totema1 17:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Gravity

Why is it listed as 40% standard? Nav-computer lists it as 85%. - Sikon 07:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

  • With 85% standard it has mass-per-volume density three times of Earth, which is standard. With such density it should be consisted of approx. 90% iron. I think 40% is better but if Nav-computer lists it different, then it might be true. (With 40% standard gravity it would have only 1,3 times of Earth.)Methyl Orange 18:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
    • If the canonical sources give us 85% standard gravity and a diameter which would require some ridiculous density to get gravity that high, however, that's what we're stuck with for this article. If a simple calculation gives us a ridiculous density, however, that might be worth a small mention in the "Behind the scenes" section. —Silly Dan (talk) 19:43, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Quote

I hope I'm not alone in this, but who thinks the quote says nothing about Endor? I thought quotes said something about the subject, and Ackbar saying, "This is the forest moon Endor," doesn't say anything about Endor. --Darth Tyler(talk) 21:08, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Yeah, it is rather obvious. Any suggestions for a new one? -- Ozzel 21:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
    • It also isn't sourced. I'm removing it until somebody comes up with a better one (and it seems most quotes would pertain more to Ewoks than the moon itself, unless maybe Charal or Noa Briqualon said anything about it).—Gonk (Gonk!) 18:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
      • And mere minutes later it occurs to me where a better one might be found! —Gonk (Gonk!) 18:44, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

What's up with this?

The Death Star II was orbiting around Endor's moon, right? Yet the Death Star is supposed to be the size of a moon. A moon-sized object orbiting a moon? What's with that? Can someone please explain it? Telos 23:19, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

  • The Forest Moon of Endor had near 9,000 km of diameter. It was as big as a real-life planet. For example, Earth have 12,756,27249 km of diameter (http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra). If the Death Star II was small as a real-life moon, it could orbited around the Forest Moon of Endor. -- Delmar Nori 00:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, to put a finer point on it... The word "moon" really just means a celestial object that is in orbit around another object (also termed "satellite") within a system and not orbiting the system's primary star independently. It does not define the object's size. So a moon does not have to be the size of our own Moon (Luna). And honestly, the Death Star is smaller than our own moon - which is among the largest in our system. There are at least 68 moons in our system that have a diameter less than 10 km. The three largest moons (Ganymede, Callisto and Titan) have diameters in the 4,000 - 6,000 km range. Our moon's radius is less than 3,500 km. The Death Star II has a diameter of 900 km. So the Death Star II could orbit our moon.
The forest moon of Endor has a diameter of 9,000 km - not much smaller than Earth (in cosmic terms). Endor itself, meaning the gas giant that the forest moon orbits, has a diameter of 148,000 km. Earth could orbit it as a satellite.
So, to distill this down, we have at least 68 "real world" moons that could orbit the Death Star II, the Death Star II could orbit our moon, our moon could orbit the forest moon of Endor, both the forest moon and Earth could orbit Endor. Therefore, the word "moon" does not define any specific size...
Medleystudios72 16:46, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Nice work, Medleystudios72. An orbiting space object only must be smaller than the other object. -- Delmar Nori 22:27, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

The most recent canonical source giving a Forest Moon of Endor diameter (The Essential Atlas) gives it as 4900 km. Where's the 9000 km figure argued here coming from? --Hamish 86.140.42.176 17:30, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Well, the 9000 km figure was presented in 2008 and the Essential Atlas was published in 2009, so I'm thinking the larger measurement came from whatever was the "latest" canonical source in 2008. Regardless, the point distilled to this: "moon-sized" does not pin point a single measurement and (genrally speaking) one body will orbit another body of greater mass. So a "moon-sized" space station can orbit a moon which, in turn, orbits a planet which, also in turn, orbits a star. Medleystudios72 14:28, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

What source presented the 9000 km figure? The Endor page credits the Empire At War Strategy Guide with the 4900 km figure.

"Moon" can be any size- but whichever figure for the size of the Forest Moon is canonical (the latest, in The Essential Atlas?), will constrain the size of the Death Star 2- since it can't be any more than 1/11 the size of the Forest Moon, and according to some people, many scenes in the movie suggest it is much less big than this.--Hamish 88.211.94.233 14:46, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

All we know is that Death Star I was mistaken for a moon. This could have been simply because it was round and too large for Luke to suppose it was man-made. 650 km diameter is plenty big to be a moon.75.148.21.9

Death Star Explosion

  • I just read the Tales comic again and I was wondering if anyone knows whether the debris of the Death Star did devistated the planet's surface, or did most of it disintegrate in space? If anyone has any answers, or even if they want to tell me off for speculation (or whatever), go ahead and reply please. VhettSkirata Mando'ade 00:07, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Suppositions that the Death Star would have so badly devastated Endor are based on the notion that the Death Star would have had a density at least within an order of magnitude of a planet. Some have even calculated its weight as if it were a solid sphere of steel. Far more likely is that the Death Star was in terms of mass a nearly hollow shell, with a density of a fraction of one percent. The great sheets visible in the construction were probably only the width of an I-beam. The minute mass is hinted at by the torus-shaped explosion. Presuming the torus was not aimed at Endor -- and you cannot see Endor in the footage of the torus -- only a very small fraction of the Death Star would have rained down on the moon as opposed to the gas giant.

Endor Profile Image

I personally felt that the Endor NEGAS image was of too low quality to be the profile's main image. As per the Tatooine article, I replaced the NEGAS image with a higher quality one, despite it not being 100% illuminated. The image is from ROTJ, according to the Wikipedia article on Endor, but if the image is actually from another source (or from no reputable source), then please feel free to change/remove it accordingly. StarsiderSWG (talk) 18:09, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Impossible orbital period

The orbital period is reported as being 402 days, which is approximately the same orbital planet of the Earth. Since Endor the planet has an orbital period of 402 days I can only assume this is an error. For reference, according to it's infobox Endor the planet is approximately the size and density of Jupiter. The gallilean moons of Jupiter have orbital periods varying from 1 to 16 days, so an orbital period of 402 days (the same as Endor the planet) would be very coincidental and highly unlikely.

Sanctuary Moon

What is the exact source of this statement? "Endor was set aside as a protected nature reserve during the Galactic Republic, giving it the name Sanctuary Moon." If there is no source, this information should be deleted. Darth Paulus JaingHead (May the Force serve you well!) 15:50, October 1, 2019 (UTC)