Battle of Rakata Prime
This information is mostly already contained within our article about the Battle of Rakata Prime. It would be very much appreciated if you would consider merging the information in here with the larger article.--Goodwood (Alliance Intelligence) 01:07, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Only if you merge Duel on the Anakin Solo into Battle of Kashyyyk and Duel on Death Star II into Battle of Endor too. —Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 01:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'll merge it if everyone wants that, but it seems to be too much of a decisive battle to be only in the Star Forge battle article. As Malak said, the victor of the duel would decide the fate of the galaxy. Drewton 01:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Personally, I don't think it should be merged. We have articles about duels that took place during battles, like the Duel on Death Star II (as Jaymach pointed out), so I don't see why this article would have to be merged. 96.240.184.39 17:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. Drewton 17:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree too. This duel was too epic, important(and awesome!), to just be a little paragraph in the battle of rakata prime page. Like previously mentioned Duel on Death star II and Duel on the Anakin solo, this article can be filled with lots of good info that would make the battle page too long. Steves490 19:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Like what Fiolli says below, in gameplay this duel is treated as part of the broader Battle of Rakata Prime (which I had GAed with plans for an eventual FA; the FA version of the article would have had more about the duel than what is there now). While the Duel on the Anakin Solo can be considered a separate aspect of the Battle of Kashyyyk (Luke sneaking aboard the vessel with his own goal in mind while Caedus "engages" the Wookiees), and the Duel on Death Star II as different (Luke intended for his presence aboard the battle station to delay the Emperor while Han's strike team took down the shield and the Rebel fleet destroyed it), the Duel on the Star Forge is the culmination of the whole Battle of Rakata Prime, rather than a separate or semi-separate incident that happens to take place during/alongside. Revan boarded the Star Forge with the express purpose both of taking Bastila's battle meditation out of the picture (by redemption or death, depending on alignment, etc. though the former is canon), and to defeat Malak, who still controlled the factories and could theoretically continue to pump out droid ships enough to overpower the Republic despite any battle meditation-delivered assistance. The argument against having a separate article for the Exile's attack on Nihilus applies too; there really isn't enough to make a proper article out of that event that isn't already part of the Battle of Telos IV. The article, as it stands, really needs to be rewritten to reflect the Manual of Style and is, furthermore, somewhat inflated by excess fluff.--Goodwood
(Alliance Intelligence) 06:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
- Like what Fiolli says below, in gameplay this duel is treated as part of the broader Battle of Rakata Prime (which I had GAed with plans for an eventual FA; the FA version of the article would have had more about the duel than what is there now). While the Duel on the Anakin Solo can be considered a separate aspect of the Battle of Kashyyyk (Luke sneaking aboard the vessel with his own goal in mind while Caedus "engages" the Wookiees), and the Duel on Death Star II as different (Luke intended for his presence aboard the battle station to delay the Emperor while Han's strike team took down the shield and the Rebel fleet destroyed it), the Duel on the Star Forge is the culmination of the whole Battle of Rakata Prime, rather than a separate or semi-separate incident that happens to take place during/alongside. Revan boarded the Star Forge with the express purpose both of taking Bastila's battle meditation out of the picture (by redemption or death, depending on alignment, etc. though the former is canon), and to defeat Malak, who still controlled the factories and could theoretically continue to pump out droid ships enough to overpower the Republic despite any battle meditation-delivered assistance. The argument against having a separate article for the Exile's attack on Nihilus applies too; there really isn't enough to make a proper article out of that event that isn't already part of the Battle of Telos IV. The article, as it stands, really needs to be rewritten to reflect the Manual of Style and is, furthermore, somewhat inflated by excess fluff.--Goodwood
- I agree too. This duel was too epic, important(and awesome!), to just be a little paragraph in the battle of rakata prime page. Like previously mentioned Duel on Death star II and Duel on the Anakin solo, this article can be filled with lots of good info that would make the battle page too long. Steves490 19:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- I agree. Drewton 17:17, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- Personally, I don't think it should be merged. We have articles about duels that took place during battles, like the Duel on Death Star II (as Jaymach pointed out), so I don't see why this article would have to be merged. 96.240.184.39 17:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'll merge it if everyone wants that, but it seems to be too much of a decisive battle to be only in the Star Forge battle article. As Malak said, the victor of the duel would decide the fate of the galaxy. Drewton 01:12, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Trash Compator?
Wouldn't the desire to merge with the Battle of Rakata Prime mean a Trash Compactor dispute? I think it would. (Admiral jolyon 11:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC))
- I don't think so. I think in the case of merging, the discussion is suppose to take place here on the talk page (such as the above discussion). I think a Trash Compactor debate is only used in cases where someone wants to actually delete the article. 96.240.184.39 17:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
Merge
The duel, in gameplay is treated as a part of the broader battle and not merely a separate incident that just happened to take place. Master Aban Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 06:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Same for Telos IV
If we separate the duel on the star forge for the battle page then, I think we should do the same thing for the Duel on The Ravager, and separate it from the battle of Telos IV, along with Exile vs. Sion, and Exile vs. Traya. In a way Duel on the ravager is just as defining as the Duel on the Star Forge. Because if the ravager survives, then Nihilus would have Destroyed Citadel station, and all that work on Telos would have been nothing but a big Financial waste for the republic.User:Revanthereformer1138
- There isn't as much material that can be used for the Duel on the Ravager, however. There's just a few lines the beginning, then the fight which can't really be described, and Visas taking off Nihilus' mask. Drewton
(Drewton's Holocron) 19:47, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
Nevertheless it still deserves more than a paragraph it could tell about the whole raid on the ravager as a whole concluding with the duel. Anyway I think that The Essential Guide to the Force hinted that it was Visas out of the three whole actually delivered the killing blow as the other two choices contradict canonUser:Revanthereformer1138
Lightsaber
Does this main image mean we're assuming that Revan's lightsaber was single-bladed and blue? -MPK 23:56, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
- It was decided so on Malak's talk page because of the Duron Qel-Droma vision. Drewton
(Drewton's Holocron) 01:47, 3 June 2008 (UTC) - Of course, the whole image is tinted blue, so until they canonize another image of Revan with a lightsaber, it's blue for now.--Jedi Kasra 03:15, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
Revan as a Padawan
Okay, so formally Revan is a Padawan, but keep in mind this is a rank he's kept at as part of his implanted identity. As he rediscovers his old memories and his affinity for the Force, I think that for all intents and purposes he should be considered a Knight, especially so since he was a Knight before losing his memory. However, this is not implicitly stated in the game, nor did Vandar have any time to promote him prior to the Battle of Rakata Prime....but I think it might be reasonable to remove all the references to Revan being a Padawan and just call him "Revan" Lalala la 00:02, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
- Revan officially regained the rank of Knight after Malak's death and the Sith Empire's defeat. We have to go by canon here, so please, don't remove any references to "Padawan". That is what he was, regardless of learning his true identity.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 00:04, January 14, 2010 (UTC)
Image of the Duel that includes Bastila
I think the image is a great image of the duel but it isn't accurate. Bastila was busy using her Battle Meditation while Revan and Malak dueled. Though the image is part of the timeline compiled by the Jedi Master Gnost-Dural centuries later he may have mistakenly believed that Bastila was part of the duel and I feel this should be mentioned. --JMasterWor 11:58, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
- Done.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:15, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
Sith Empire
This Sith Empire has never actually canonically been referred to as Darth Malak's Sith Empire, it is simply known as Sith Empire, hence why the article its self is Darth Revan's Sith Empire rather than Revan's Sith Empire. In this case there is no need to differentiate this Sith Empire as Darth Malak's as there is no other Sith Empire involved. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 21:34, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
