Clone
There WAS a Dooku Clone, but not like this. Keep the page, delete the crap. Thanos6 08:40, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- What crap is this? And if, according to that article, Dooku posed such a problem, why didn't they just get rid of that part of the game in terms of continuity? It's been done before. Anyway, all that speculation on Dooku's fate needs to be replaced by someone who actually knows the facts. --Fade 09:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
- A clone of Dooku? It's getting worse and worse. Is there anyone in the SW-universe that has not been cloned? KEJ 21:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- Anakin, for one. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- A clone of Vader would technically be a clone of Anakin, I think. —Darth Culator (talk) 21:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- Never read the Galaxy of Fear series. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neither have I. I've heard very mixed reviews about it. I just found it interesting that pretty much everybody important has been cloned or simulated in some way. Vader had a clone, Luke had a clone, Palpatine had a series of clones, Leia had a human replica droid, Yoda and Obi-Wan had professional impersonators, and apparently even Han Solo got cloned at some point (I've only heard rumors about this one. I'm two books behind the current releases right now). It's all fairly ridiculous. Maybe Lando is still unique. —Darth Culator (talk) 01:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- If so, there's quite a bit of irony in it, since Lando was originally *supposed* to be a clone. ;-) jSarek 09:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- It just gets better and better. Lando is known for being secretive about his background... Maybe he comes from a limited run of non-Jango clones. Maybe there is a secret colony of Landos somewhere out there. Maybe there's a whole facility full of Lando-sicles in stasis just waiting to be discovered by Our Heroes... (This sounds like the basis for a really outlandish fan-fic.) —Darth Culator (talk) 14:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, so far we know that a lot of the Jedi weren't clones. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- So much the better. All this cloning is really ruining EU KEJ 22:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- Yes. For once, I wish that someone just didn't die, and the actual person returned, instead of a clone. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- This sounds like s----------w garbage. The Anime God smells faaaaaaaanoooooon...Rod
- Well, it's not fanon. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- Ouch.... Rod
- Why "Ouch...."? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:27, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Ouch.... Rod
- Well, it's not fanon. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
- This sounds like s----------w garbage. The Anime God smells faaaaaaaanoooooon...Rod
- Yes. For once, I wish that someone just didn't die, and the actual person returned, instead of a clone. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- So much the better. All this cloning is really ruining EU KEJ 22:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- Okay, so far we know that a lot of the Jedi weren't clones. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- It just gets better and better. Lando is known for being secretive about his background... Maybe he comes from a limited run of non-Jango clones. Maybe there is a secret colony of Landos somewhere out there. Maybe there's a whole facility full of Lando-sicles in stasis just waiting to be discovered by Our Heroes... (This sounds like the basis for a really outlandish fan-fic.) —Darth Culator (talk) 14:02, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- If so, there's quite a bit of irony in it, since Lando was originally *supposed* to be a clone. ;-) jSarek 09:16, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neither have I. I've heard very mixed reviews about it. I just found it interesting that pretty much everybody important has been cloned or simulated in some way. Vader had a clone, Luke had a clone, Palpatine had a series of clones, Leia had a human replica droid, Yoda and Obi-Wan had professional impersonators, and apparently even Han Solo got cloned at some point (I've only heard rumors about this one. I'm two books behind the current releases right now). It's all fairly ridiculous. Maybe Lando is still unique. —Darth Culator (talk) 01:59, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
- Never read the Galaxy of Fear series. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- A clone of Vader would technically be a clone of Anakin, I think. —Darth Culator (talk) 21:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- Anakin, for one. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
- A clone of Dooku? It's getting worse and worse. Is there anyone in the SW-universe that has not been cloned? KEJ 21:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Second Imperium
What is the source for the Dooku clone being a member of the Second Imperium? StarNeptune 07:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
- Reverted. QuentinGeorge 07:33, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Title
Maybe it's just me, but "Clone doppelganger of Dooku" seems like a rather clumsy name for a character article. Does anyone else think that it should be changed? 199.79.168.160 11:51, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, that actually is a good title when you think about it. It describes this being very well. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
11:52, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- I suppose, it just looked kinda awkward when I saw it linked to on a list of Dooku's Dark Acolytes. Then again, I can't think of anything better at the moment, and it's a better title than the one I gave to the article on a certain unnamed scientist, so I guess it's not that big of a deal. 199.79.168.160 11:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- Well, if a good one comes along that everyone agrees on, we could always move it. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 11:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
- What about Count DookTWO? ````
- No. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
12:07, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- No. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- What about Count DookTWO? ````
- Well, if a good one comes along that everyone agrees on, we could always move it. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- I suppose, it just looked kinda awkward when I saw it linked to on a list of Dooku's Dark Acolytes. Then again, I can't think of anything better at the moment, and it's a better title than the one I gave to the article on a certain unnamed scientist, so I guess it's not that big of a deal. 199.79.168.160 11:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
Not a clone
Pretty sure this wasn't a clone, but a darkside manifestation, according to Leland Chee. Cutch 05:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Fact Files called it a dark side doppelganger; Yoda: Dark Rendezvous called it a clone; The New Essential Chronology called it a clone doppelganger. So there's about equal canonical evidence for both options, and the article expresses both as possibilities (though I personally think it should lean a bit more strongly toward the dark side doppelganger theory; if you have a link to the actual quote by Mr. Chee, that'd help). jSarek 05:44, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Ya, let's see how Chee thinks. Darth Kevinmhk 05:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry, it wasn't Leland; it was Abel G. Peña at this site: http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa/Ret-Con.html
- As long as we have someone's word, I'm fine with it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 19:15, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
- So... it's okay to redirect to, say, Force doppelganger of Dooku? Cutch 06:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'd say yes. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 12:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'd say yes. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- So... it's okay to redirect to, say, Force doppelganger of Dooku? Cutch 06:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
- Nothing against Abel, but if he's not speaking in an official capacity, his word alone is not canon. - Lord Hydronium 20:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Exactly. We should move this back for the time being. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20:36, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- How wishy-washy, Neb. And, moreover, Leland farts and we think it's canon, but Abel is somehow lesser? Cutch 23:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, Chee's statements by themselves aren't canon either. For example, he's said that he wants the Exile to be female, but that's not canon. Where his statements are official is when he's speaking from the Holocron; since he's the one who maintains it, he's the best source for what's listed in it as canon. There's nothing "lesser" about Abel; don't put words in my mouth. And you'll notice that essay is not him speaking in any official capacity; it's written as a fan. - Lord Hydronium 23:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Would you like the honors of moving it back, Lord Hydronium? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 01:00, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Would you like the honors of moving it back, Lord Hydronium? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Actually, Chee's statements by themselves aren't canon either. For example, he's said that he wants the Exile to be female, but that's not canon. Where his statements are official is when he's speaking from the Holocron; since he's the one who maintains it, he's the best source for what's listed in it as canon. There's nothing "lesser" about Abel; don't put words in my mouth. And you'll notice that essay is not him speaking in any official capacity; it's written as a fan. - Lord Hydronium 23:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- How wishy-washy, Neb. And, moreover, Leland farts and we think it's canon, but Abel is somehow lesser? Cutch 23:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Exactly. We should move this back for the time being. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- As long as we have someone's word, I'm fine with it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Sorry, it wasn't Leland; it was Abel G. Peña at this site: http://www.myuselessknowledge.com/swfa/Ret-Con.html
- Ya, let's see how Chee thinks. Darth Kevinmhk 05:50, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- AHEM. http://blogs.starwars.com/abelgpena/18 Here's the link to Abel's blog, where it insinuates that the ret-con is actually supported by LFL. Moreover, I quote from the essay: "When I was asked to write a couple of articles on Dooku for the UK Fact Files magazines, I figured I'd kill a few birds with one stone." So, the ret-con is official in the UK Fact Files. There. Cutch 04:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- If you've read the rest of this discussion, you notice that that's already been noted. The problem is that it isn't the only answer. Dark Rendezvous says a clone, NEC says "clone doppelganger", which doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but there you have it. - Lord Hydronium 05:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Then, at best, the situation is ambiguous. Some official sources (NEC, US Fact Files) say a clone, while others (the UK fact files) say otherwise. The author of the ret-con prefers the latter, but, oh well. The latter explains things much better (ease of defeat, disappearance, etc.)—again, oh well. It certainly shouldn't be at Clone doppelgänger of Dooku, however. I personally think that the Force doppelgänger solution is best, and most "official," if you will, but if some of us still insist on the possibility of it being a clone, we should indeed just move it to Doppelgänger of Dooku. Cutch 06:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'd prefer that. I'm moving it now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 11:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'd prefer that. I'm moving it now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision)
- Then, at best, the situation is ambiguous. Some official sources (NEC, US Fact Files) say a clone, while others (the UK fact files) say otherwise. The author of the ret-con prefers the latter, but, oh well. The latter explains things much better (ease of defeat, disappearance, etc.)—again, oh well. It certainly shouldn't be at Clone doppelgänger of Dooku, however. I personally think that the Force doppelgänger solution is best, and most "official," if you will, but if some of us still insist on the possibility of it being a clone, we should indeed just move it to Doppelgänger of Dooku. Cutch 06:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- If you've read the rest of this discussion, you notice that that's already been noted. The problem is that it isn't the only answer. Dark Rendezvous says a clone, NEC says "clone doppelganger", which doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but there you have it. - Lord Hydronium 05:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Compromise
- Okay, then: move to plain ol' Doppelgänger of Dooku? Cutch 23:57, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
- Good idea, I second. Darth Kevinmhk 03:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- I agree. --Eyrezer 03:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Actually, I feel my recent research has made this point moot. See above. Cutch 04:56, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- But there is ALSO a clone of Dooku, so if this one isn't the clone then there was another one that Anakin defeated, because there is still a mention from Dooku himself about a clone of his being defeated by Anakin in Dark Rendezvous. So that would make two other incarnations of Dooku, just saying.—Unsigned comment by 204.169.62.39 (talk • contribs)
- It's intended to be the same Other-Dooku. -- Ozzel 21:06, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
- I agree. --Eyrezer 03:26, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
- Good idea, I second. Darth Kevinmhk 03:20, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
Body Disappearing
In the article it states that the doppelganger's body disappearing is possible evidence for him being some sort of Force-clone. I have The New Droid Army, and all enemies vanish when you defeat/kill them, and they can't all be manefistations of the Force - many of them are droids. 58.109.66.5 09:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
Oops, forgot to log in. Telos 09:07, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- Yup, I have the game too. And I totally agree with you. Cyfiero 06:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Move to "Dooku (doppelgänger)?"
Well, its just a idea. Is he referred to as Count Dooku in the game? If so, that would be his official name, but because he is a doppelgänger, the page name should refer to it as such. After all we have a Darth Vader (clone) page. At least the page wouldn't be conjuncture. Zakor1138 02:41, 5 November 2008 (UTC)