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The mistakes of Dooku

Dooku made 2 big mistakes on Genosis: One, he didn't just kill our favorite trio with his lightsaber, ending the greatest warriors of the Republic, and 2, When Yoda was holding the crane, he could of killed Yoda with his lightsaber, killing the 4 reatest Jedi, Yoda, Anakin and Obi-Wan would be dead, and Luke never born. Talk about a moron!!!

  • I see Anakin being a bigger moron than Dooku.

Yes. I wondered about that for a long time as well. Another mistake of his was force-pushing Anakin back after slicing off his arm. During that time, he could've completely decapitated Anakin, preventing Anakin from killing him later aboard Invisible Hand. He DID look sorry for what he had done, though. Maybe Palpatine had already told him to leave Anakin alive. Who knows?-Lord Dooku 04:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Another mistake or it he coul have just been plain dumb was that he told obi wanWhat if i told you that the republic was now in the hands of a sith lord called darth sidious. and so on he continues to reaveal stuff.

  • It was Sidious who told Dooku to reveal the stuff to confuse the Jedi with the truth, as revealed in Labyrinth of Evil. Darth Kevinmhk 06:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but thats not really all that possible, first all the events of the phantom meanace and now he reveals sidious, now thats just plain dumb, besides dooku wanted obi wan to join him.

  • Anon, how is that "not really all that possible"? Plus, he only said what he said to deceive Obi-Wan and make it seem like he was on Obi-Wan's side. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

You just cant except the fact that your wrong, sorry dude.

    • Well in anycase thats yout opinion, and these pages are not the place for it Jedi Dude 20:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Whatever wierdo freak person!

Hey hey no don't be agressive. Recalling the 2nd film, it seems that Dooku really wants Obi Wan to join him and destroy the Sith, he treats teh Jedi well and could kill lots of Jedis, but he didn't. Is there any novel, comic CANON, that specifies what he did? Did he really wanted to be a "good" guy? We know he was very dissapointed with the Jedis, maybe he really wanted to destroy teh Siths. Again I need to get proofs. Another thing is that this talk between Obi Wan and Dooku doesn't appear in the main article and it should! -Miguel Ricardo-

I agree, it seems to me that Dooku was kind of crying out for someone to save him from the evil of Darth Sidious, but he couldn't just run off or say it out loud because Sidious was listening to him. And yeah, he could've easily killed Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin[though Sidious might have told Count Dooku to keep Anakin alive] if he wanted to, but for some reason he didn't. FinalWish 19:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

  • About the alleged mistake number one: If Dooku had attempted to kill Yoda while he was holding the crane, naturally Yoda would have countered. If he hadn't, he would have died with Anakin and Obi-Wan. If he had, only Anakin and Obi-Wan would have died, Yoda would have lived and might even have prevented Dooku from escaping. Yoda's choice would have been obvious so I wouldn't say Dooku made a mistake. Besides, as it seems, Dooku wasn't intending to kill Anakin, who would have died if Dooku had killed Yoda. Anyway, the article seems to say nothing about Dooku's mistakes so is this discussion essential at all? --Gurbiza 11:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

First of all Yoda is alive in IV V and VI is he not? So Dooku couldnt have killed him. Second, Dooku was only a placeholder for Anakin. Palpatine never intended Dooku to be his apprentice. So he couldnt kill Anakin. And last, Dooku preferred Obi-Wan over Anakin. Dooku despised Anakin because he reminded him of himself when he was a pawawan. So he would be going against his own will if he killed Obi-Wan. There, now you can all stop argueing, your questions are answered.

Final duel section

The part detailing Dooku's final battle against Anakin has way too many redudant pictures. I'd say we cut it down to two at most Lalala la 03:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Reminding of a detail

In AOTC we hear Tyranus' name by Jango. Then later we see Dooku on Geonosis introducing himself as Dooku to Obi-Wan. Do we learn later that Dooku is Tyranus in the same movie, or is it a revelation in ROTS? MoffRebus 10:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

  • IIRC, Sidious refers to Dooku as Tyranus when they meet near the end of AoTC. -- I need a name (Complain here) 21:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Not a Sith Lord

Dooku can't technically be a Sith Lord because he was still the apprentice of Sidious. So he does not deserve the title of Darth. Any Thoughts? sorry for not logging in.

  • Er, that's not how it works. Remember, Darth Vader was an apprentice of Sidious too. The apprentice is also a Dark Lord of the Sith and gets the title of Darth. -LtNOWIS 19:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Heh, not a bad thing to point out. The funny thing is, he can still be a Sith Lord even though he is still Sidious apprentice, as that is how Sith view power and crave it.

A Jedi slowly earns the title of Knight while he learns humility. The Sith however can attain the ranking of Lord even while they are still learning under their Master, due to the Sith style of craving for power.

The only thing that doesn’t make sense is the ability for the apprentice Sith to be a Dark Lord at the same time. Dark Lord is the highest rank of the Sith Order and is or should be carried only by the most powerful Sith. Also, the idea of both Master and Apprentice having the highest title, Dark Lord, at the same time directly contradicts the Sith ideals of greed and hoarding power. Unlike the Jedi, the Sith do not share power, so the idea of Master and Apprentice having the Dark Lord title at the same time is fairly idiotic. Also keep in mind that the whole reason the Apprentice usurps the Master, is for the Mantle of the Sith, I.E., Dark Lord. If both Master and Apprentice share the title, then there is nothing to usurp. And also no reason for the Apprentice to kill the Master for a title he already possesses.

While Sith Lord is the equivalent to Jedi Master, the idea of a Sith Apprentice being a Dark Lord at the same time would be like Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Phantom Menace being a Grandmaster.

Add to that the idea of a Padawan defeating a supposed Dark Lord like Maul is also unrealistic, at least If he was truly a Dark Lord.

Something to think about at least.

So while it is technically plausible to be a Sith Lord and Apprentice at the same time, Dooku still shouldn't have been a Dark Lord as well.

    • This is all completely irrelevant. We knew Darth Vader was a Dark Lord of the Sith long before we knew Palpatine was. It's a title that rightfully belongs to the apprentice too. Yrfeloran 17:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I already gave good reasons as to why he shouldn't. Just because he was automatically a Dark Lord doesn’t mean the discussed inconsistency above makes any sense.
  • Wrong. The apearance of Canon didn't explain the inconsistency. When it does, then it will > sense.
    • There is no inconsistency. Nothing has ever established that Sith apprentices under the Rule of Two weren't Dark Lords (or, if something has, it's been overridden); Maul, Dooku, and Vader have all been described as such numerous times. All you've got to back you up is your opinion. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 18:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
  • You need to reread what I wrote up there then. It isn't just opinion - I pointed out several highly ironic inconsistencies. If you can look through what I wrote and then systematically come up with a good answer for each inconsistency, then it will all be cleared up.

Otherwise they still remain, no matter what you say.

    • You just keep pointing back to an argument that relies largely on your own point of view. Your arguments rests heavily on the supposition that Dark Lord of the Sith is a title that is earned like a ranking system. The Sith don't have a ranking system. Either you're in or you're not. Think of the title less as a sign of rank than as a sign of formality- sort of like how both Anakin and Obi-Wan were referred to as "Master Jedi" in AOTC, despite neither of them actually being masters. No, it's not the same, but it's along that line of thought.Eggmanland 07:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
  • Wow, show's how much you know. It is a ranking system - and Jedi use such a ranking system as well. Dark Lord is the leader of the Sith Order as Grandmaster is leader of the Jedi Order.

The things I pointed out were not just opinion. They were very ironic inconsistencies and unless someone actually has the intelligence or stamina to go into those flaws and bother to explain each one, then you can't prove anything otherwise.

  • You want refuting? Here goes.
    • "The only thing that doesn’t make sense is the ability for the apprentice Sith to be a Dark Lord at the same time." - Who says? Certainly not canon (which, by the way, is what's used here on Wookieepedia). I can name several of these that, in your words, "doesn't make sense": Palpatine & Vader, Revan and Malak, Sidious and Dooku, Sidious and Maul, Vader and Lumiya (though she was "Lady")... and there's more still.

I've already explained why, and listing them doesn't prove your point either.--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • But I explained using canon. Not theories.
    • "Dark Lord is the highest rank of the Sith Order and is or should be carried only by the most powerful Sith." - Once again, who says? Once again, not canon; canon says the opposite.

Canon says that Dark Lord of the Sith is not the highest rank in the Sith Order, proof?--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Wait, what? Did you just repeat what I just said? CANON shows that a Dark lord of the Sith can be used at the same time by a Master and Apprentice.
    • "Also, the idea of both Master and Apprentice having the highest title, Dark Lord, at the same time directly contradicts the Sith ideals of greed and hoarding power." - Wait, what? How did we arrive at this conclusion? Nothing says that this is the "highest" title - just that it's a title Sith masters and apprentices use.

I can see that your an idiot, ot perhaps you haven't been privy to Star Wars for very long. No Sith Lord is the standby title for Sith Masters and their students, Dark Lord however is a higher title. Also, are you saying that the Sith don't hoard power and aren't greedy?--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Oh, an idiot, eh? Might I bring up NPA at this moment? You keep interchanging "Dark Lord [of the Sith]" and "Sith Lord". They're not the same, though you're certainly using them in such a way.
    • "Unlike the Jedi, the Sith do not share power, so the idea of Master and Apprentice having the Dark Lord title at the same time is fairly idiotic." - Then why, at the moment of apprenticeship, doesn't the Apprentice strike down the master? Sharing power is a necessary evil. Also... titles=power? So if I were to walk down to a bank, claim I'm the King of France, and withdraw money from someone's bank account, I'd be able to do it because I'm the King?

Duh. And If you had some brains, you'd know that the apprentice doesn't strike down the Master until he has learned everything he can. That and aperently the apprentice already possess the mantle of the Sith since he's a Dark Lord.--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Oh boy, more personal attacks. Keep it up, and expect a ban. The mantle of the Sith is not a title. The mantle of the Sith is the position of leading the Sith, of having the most power. As it's been shown countless times in canon, Sith Masters and Sith Apprentices share the title, so your "arguments" are moot.
    • "Also keep in mind that the whole reason the Apprentice usurps the Master, is for the Mantle of the Sith, I.E., Dark Lord." - "Sith Lord" has never been used as the title for the Mantle of the Sith. That's what Sith Master is for. Dark Lord of the Sith (or Sith Lord) is for a general, honest-to-goodness Sith.

No shit. I said Dark Lord is the mantle of the Sith, not Sith Lord, pay attention, moron. Sith Master is not the offical title for master of the Sith Order, and no Dark Lord of the Sith is not used for a general honest to goodness Sith, are you an idiot? Sith Lord is the general term for a Sith.--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Certainly seems someone is trying for a ban, eh? I NEVER SAID Sith Master was the title for the Master of the Sith. From what I've seen in canon, and from what you've described,
    • "If both Master and Apprentice share the title, then there is nothing to usurp." - You mean besides power and authority? It. Is. A. Title.

Duh. And If you already have the title, I.E. The mantle, there is nothing to usurp.--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • You're not understanding. The title is not the mantle. It. Is. A. Title. The mantle is the power.
    • "And also no reason for the Apprentice to kill the Master for a title he already possesses." - See above; It. Is. A. Title.

Duh, and it is the mantle, which is power, which is what Sith kill for - use your brain.--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • My brain is in use, thank you very much. And the title does NOT equal power. The title equals a title. See canon for more evidence. (not the article, I mean in general)
    • "While Sith Lord is the equivalent to Jedi Master, the idea of a Sith Apprentice being a Dark Lord at the same time would be like Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Phantom Menace being a Grandmaster." - How so? Nothing has been shown canonically (and in fact, based on all of the apprenticeships that say otherwise, has been contradicted by canon) that Sith Lord=Jedi Grandmaster, or even Jedi Master. Once again, that's what Sith Master is for.

Wrong. Sith Master is not the leader of the Sith Order, you need to actually research Star Wars more before you make claims like an idiot noobie. Sith Lord is on par with Jedi Master and Dark Lord is on par with Grandmaster.--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Until you show references, your claims have no canon proof.
    • "Add to that the idea of a Padawan defeating a supposed Dark Lord like Maul is also unrealistic, at least If he was truly a Dark Lord." - Or it's the Force at work. Or simple cleverness. If that works like you say, then there would never be an usurper.

Really? AOTC Anakin would never be able to defeat Palpatine, or are you saying by some luck of the draw he could?--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Actually, yes, that's what I'm saying, but without the luck. We don't know either way, so stop using hypothetical situations.
    • "So while it is technically plausible to be a Sith Lord and Apprentice at the same time, Dooku still shouldn't have been a Dark Lord as well." - Did you just contradict yourself? Aren't "Dark Lord of the Sith" and "Sith Lord" one in the same? From your previous arguments, it certainly seems like you think so.

No idiot. Once again, pay attention. Just as Grandmaster and Master aren't the same thing, Sith Lord and DARK Lord are not the same thing. If you think from my earlier points that I'm saying they are the same thing then you truly are a .--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Once again, PA, blah blah blah. In fact, I don't even feel the need to prove my answer (I mean, I already have canon on my side).
      • And so there. If I missed anything, please let me know. kthxbai. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 23:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

I think I just pointed out enough. Let's see your intellectually feeble responses. --69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Sheesh, someone's obviously never actually read any Wookieepedia policies before. Enjoy your PA ban. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 00:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
    • From my copy of the Star Wars novelization, first published in 1976, page 8:
      Two meters tall. Bipedal. Flowing black robes trailing from the figure and a face forever masked by a functional if bizarre black metal breath screen - a Dark Lord of the Sith was an awesome, threatening shape as it strode through the corridors of the rebel ship.
      Fear followed in the footsteps of all the Dark Lords...
      Anyway, your theory was bull even before the first Star Wars movie ever came out. Yrfeloran 00:17, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Young Dooku Image

There's a picture of Dooku as a padawan on the cover of Star Wars: The Legacy of the Jedi. I don't know how to upload images...well I'm confused with the JPEG, PNG, etc...., but I think that that is a good photo of him as a young padawan, so if anyone can upload a photo of the picture of the cover of the book while cutting away the other parts and centering on Dooku. He's shown right next to the young padawan, Qui-Gon Jinn who's standing next to the young padawan, Obi-Wan Kenobi and then Anakin... Cyfiero 01:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Actually, the image in question has already been uploaded way back, but for some reason it was never included in the article. Here, feel free to do whatever you want with it. :) --Tinwe 16:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Okay, so I added the image to the article. However, I think it'll look better if it was on the left. So, I'm considering switching the positions of the image of Dooku with Yoda and the image of Dooku with his curved-hilt lightsaber. Any objections? Marco Lam Jedi Order(Contact) 01:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
    • I would really rather we not include this image. The article's not supposed to be a gallery of every image of Dooku, the image is a cover so it's not entirely canon, and the green saber + blond just brings in continuity problems. I would prefer to just keep the Yoda image, which is at least an actual event in Dooku's life and not part of a slapped-together montage. Yrfeloran 01:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Okay then, sure thing. But I've seen articles with these kind of images though. I'll have it removed. Marco Lam Jedi Order(Contact) 05:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Dooku

Did Lucas explaine why he place Dooku in the movies

I'm not sure, but please sign your post. Cyfiero 04:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC) I'm pretty sure he didn't. Raytay286 17:10, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Raytay286

Dooku's Name?

Is there any canon information, or even fan speculation, about what Count Dooku's first name is? Or is Dooku his first name, and "of Serenno" serves as his surname/family name, as "of (town)" once served Earth nobility in some countries?

Cy Ndakiel 20:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Cy Ndakiel

  • As of now, there is no canon source giving Count Dooku's full name, or even if he has a longer name than simply "Count Dooku". There are other cases in SW: While most Naboos have first name plus surname, Palpatine uses only one word; Steve Sansweet parallelizes this to real-world Indonesia, where "many people go by one name." Some fans (such as infamous Michael Suttle) have speculated and provided their own, fanon first names for Dooku - none of them is officially aproved by Lucas or subsidiaries. Not even your theory, "Count (first name:) Dooku (last name:) of Serenno", has been confirmed (although it is one of the more reasonable theories I've seen). Hope I've answered your question. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
    • 'Count Dooku of Serenno' as a phrase has been used in canon (Dark Rendezvous), but it's a minority usage. There is evidence that there may be multiple lines of Counts on Serenno (Rule of Two), but that's ancient and the modern situation is unknown. Count [name] with [name] being the name of the noble house is one use on Serenno in Rule of Two, but I'm unwilling to currently extrapolate. Everyone just calls him Dooku as a Jedi.Yrfeloran 16:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
      • Count was his title. Somewhere along the way, I read (probably on here) that he took his family title as Count of Serenno back when he left the order. Dooku may have been his only name since he would have likely been considered royalty, at least by the people of Serenno. While it is common for royalty to have actual names, how many people seriously knew Queen Amidala's real name while she was queen? For that matter, who can name Queen Elizabeth's last name, because it sure as heck isn't Windsor (as in the House of Windsor) anymore; that's her maiden name. Amth (Enter my Mind) 05:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Canon

I don't recall the story of the creation of Grievous, especially the blood transfusion from Sifo-Dyas as being classified canon. Did I miss that, or should it be set aside as ambiguously canon in the article? Micah Giett 19:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

  • It was mentioned in Insider, in a Grievous article, IIRC, and said to -not- give him Force powers Yrfeloran 16:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Eyes of a Sith

I personally never thought Dooku was a true sith but i was wondering if he even ever had the yellow eyes of a sith lord? Was that ever in a book/cartoon? Steves490 04:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC) Don't think so. Raytay286 17:11, 27 April 2009 (UTC) Raytay286 

     According to the article on this site, "Dark Side of the Force", it states that dooku's eyes only turn yellow when he's angry.--208.127.143.185 18:38, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Name?

I think we should change the title to Darth Tyranus... Aquenral 17:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

  • Or is it Tyrranus? (with (improbably) two Rs )
  • He was never publicly known as Tyranus. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
    • However it was his true name that he died as, never being redeemed, like Darth Caedus, Darth Bane, Darth Traya etc.Jedi-Sith 07:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
      • It may have been the name he considered his true name, but it wasn't publicly relevant. Most of Dooku's infamy was under his birth name, just like Palpatine did his worst under that name, rather than as Darth Sidious, even if he technically still had that name (and possibly also considered it his true name). Of course, I also think we should change some of the clone commander pages to reflect their more well-known names, but what do I know? Eggmanland 15:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
        • Jacen made people start calling him Darth Caedus so he essentially changed his name to his title, whereas Dooku didn't do that. Hunterj|My talk 13:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
          • In his holocron, Dooku refers to himself as Tyranus, considering Dooku a façade. See the essential guide to the force.--Gonzalo84 23:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
            • Well, it's Sidious's holocron, and I can't imagine him saying anything else where his Master might hear. In the text of books, I think, he mostly self-refers as Dooku. A couple of minions call him Tyranus sometimes, but very few.Yrfeloran 20:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
              • I think it should be changed to "Count Dooku". That's what everyone calls him in this universe. —Unsigned comment by 208.127.143.185 (talk • contribs)
                • The discussion that you are responding to is several years old. Count is his title and therefore is not his name. Since the policy is to use the name in preference to a title, the article is called Dooku and not Count Dooku. —GethralkinHyperwave 05:20, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Age

While it is already established that Dooku is 83-years-old when killed, in flipping through my paperback version of Revenge of the Sith, I found such a nice portion of lines I wanted to share from page 51:

Again, Dooku sighed. Today he felt every hour of his eighty-three years. "It is...fatiguing, to play the villain for so long, Master. I find myself looking forward to an honorable captivity."

Overconfidence is ageless, no? JoelBray 17:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Council Member

So, Dooku was a Council Member, Chee says. Somebody reflect this in the article please. Mauser 22:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I'll handle it Yrfeloran 22:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Images

If somebody could get us an image from TCW or associated media of Dooku talking to Jabba or Dooku talking to Asajj to replace the promotional image in the TCW section, I'd be most appreciative. Promotional images really add nothing to the article Yrfeloran 01:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Dooku thinks he's the chosen one

I don't know if this is mentioned in the article and I scanned it and couldn't find it, but I think I remember reading in the Roleplaying Game Guide (an older version) that Dooku thought he was the chosen one (a testimony to his arrogance) because of his power. Should this be included if not in the article, where at, and doroleplaying strategy guides count as canon? Coruscant nightlights 03:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)coruscant_nighlights

  • IIRC, it wasn't so much that he thought he was the chosen one as that he thought Anakin definitely wasn't since the chosen one would be similar to himself. I've tried to synthesize all of the characterization takes in this article, including that one Yrfeloran 04:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Apprenticed to?

I just watched Episode II and Yoda calls Dooku his old apprentice...so, what's right: the movie or this page? 70.178.12.157 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

  • I'd like to follow-up on the previous poster's query with a more detailed question/proposal. Although I'm well aware that the Thame Cerulian contradiction has been around a while now, and that there is as-yet no fiction which directly depicts Dooku serving as Yoda's padawan... it still strikes me as being of overriding significance that Yoda specifically calls him "my old padawan" in the film itself.
    • I really feel that this page should contain some kind of statement like "at some unknown point Dooku also served as Yoda's apprentice" or somesuch, as the line of dialogue clearly indicates. At the very least I think there should be a revision of the sentence in the Continuity section (which is otherwise very good) which says "Yoda is heavily implied to have been Dooku's Master in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones". It just seems to me that "heavily implied" is inaccurate and rather misleading - Yoda quite unambiguously refers to Dooku as his former padawan, he doesn't "imply" anything. Not much gray area there, I wouldn't think. Cheers, JJ.122.105.188.162 06:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
      • Yes but in ANH Obi-Wan says he was Yoda's apperentice so yoda didn't nessacarily take Dooku on as his padawan.--Im olny human i make mistakes 23:34, April 13, 2012 (UTC)
        • In the 12th episode of Season 6 of The Clone Wars series, during a vision that Yoda has, Obi Wan informs Yoda that Dooku was telling them a story since the time Dooku was Yoda's padawan. Later on Yoda addresses Dooku as 'my former padawan'. Thus Dooku was apprenticed by Yoda as a padawan, not just as any other Jedi student. And The Clone Wars is canon.

Timeline

I know the whole deal with the dates of new Clone Wars TV series, and the contradictions, etc etc. This article places the events of The Clone Wars movie and TV series at the beginning of the Clone Wars, while Anakin Skywalker's page has them taking place towards the end. There needs to be some consistency from article to article. Are we gonna treat it as towards the end (due to Anakin being a Knight, his scar, etc) or at the beginning (due to the actual works themselves stating such)? Either all the articles should treat them as "right after Geonosis" or "Right before the Battle of Coruscant". Duke Starhopper 21:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Go with what the sources say, which is 22 BBY. Then we hit our heads against the wall and cry as we try and make it fit into the previously established chronology. -- I need a name (Complain here) 12:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Lord of the Rings deletion

May I ask why the section on the many strong similarities between Dooku and Saruman from Lord of the Rings were summarily deleted, while the similarities to Dracula remain? I felt that a it was concise, made a clear case, and is equally noteworthy. I'd appreciate some rationale for deleting this contribution, please. -PP.PP 22:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

  • Pretty simple really. The Dracula thing has a clear source. Look at the reference tag there, it links straight to StarWars.com where it makes a clear connection. Your LotR connection has no source, and it's just your original research, which falls squarely under the WP:OR policy here. Cull Tremayne 23:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

The irony note

"Ironically enough, Tyranus would quickly be replaced by the very man who had killed him, Anakin Skywalker."

Not so ironic considering the ways of the sith. change?

--Rovole 20:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Testing his best general

That was appallingly written, and made no sense at all. I've rewritten it, I hope it looks better now. Kalak Ragnose 19:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Page Title?

Shouldn't this page be titled "Drath Tyranus" seeing as that was his name at the time of his death (like why the page about Jacen Solo is titled "Darth Caedus" instead of his birth name).--Gbadude3 18:25, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

  • Uno: It's Darth, not Drath :P Dos: No. Character pages are titled by their most common name. Tyranus is only mentioned once in the movies, by Jango. He's most commonly known as Count Dooku. I'm sure Tyranus is mentioned more in other cannon, but in The 2nd and 3rd movies, TCW CGI cartoon, and the CW Animated Cartoon, he's almost always called (Count) Dooku. Wehttambassist 02:33, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
    • Twice, actually. Palpatine/Sidious also refers to him as Tyranus when they meet in private. But yes, the fact remains that almost no one knew of his Sith name, just like few knew of Palpatine's. Hence both articles having the titles that they do. — Red XIV (talk) 00:55, February 15, 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Jacen's most common name Jacen Solo anyway? i thought the policy was the name you die with, not the name you're usually called. But if it's the most common name i think a lot of people would be glad to call Jacen JACEN!!!15:45, December 30, 2010 (UTC)another long lost Solo cousin

Lightsaber functionality?

Could someone please explain to me some of the reasons why Dooku's lightsaber is the way it is? Mainly, the little bit of metal that extends near the blade, and the purpose of the ignition trigger being at the bottom (Or... correct me by saying that is a dual phase button). Also, and other info would be bombad. Wehttambassist 02:38, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

  • This is more of a Knowledge Bank issue than one related to talk pages. Anything that's known about his lightsaber would most likely already be in the article. CC7567 (talk) 19:26, December 26, 2009 (UTC)

Dooku's First Name

Apparently, Dooku's first name is "Jard," which is interesting since, in Hebrew, "Jarden" means to flow or descend. Following is a link to the page that gives this information. You'll find it near the bottom (more than 3/4ths of the way).

Date of Death

Using 13:5:21 as the date of the Battle of Geonosis and the information from Republic Commando: Order 66 about the date of the Battle of Coruscant (5th day 1085 days ABOG) the correct date of Dookus death has to be 16:5:2. (I already wrote this mistake to essential.atlas@gmail.com, hope they'll fix it in the next edition.) Darth Ultimor 11:18, April 17, 2010 (UTC)

No one contradicts, so I'll correct it. Darth Ultimor 13:22, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Star Wars Frequently Asked Questions --Kungfu-mama(talk) 19:42, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

This page is full of fanon, do not belive what they say there. Gulomi Jomesh 19:52, April 9, 2010 (UTC)
It is fanon of SuperShadow, in case you didn't know. The site you linked is not even near canon. -- 1358 (Talk) 20:09, April 9, 2010 (UTC)

Dooku Force Choking obi wan.

During Dooku's battle with Obi Wan and Anakin over Coruscant Dooku looks like he's force choking Obi-Wan at some point in their duel. However, Dooku couldn't have been using force choke because the victim was being lifted. Dooku must have been using Force Grip. Still in the caption of the picture:[[File:Dooku Obi-wan choke.jpg|250px|right]] the caption says "Dooku incapacitating Kenobi using a Force Choke." If you don't believe me about Force Choke just look it up in the article Telekinesis under Choking Powers in the subsection Force Choke it says in the second sentence that the target is not lifted or moved about. I would appreciate confirmation from others before i make any corrections.--Captain Martin Adamian 22:12, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

  • You are correct, this caption should most likely be updated to say 'Force Grip'. (Agent Cards 05:10, October 7, 2010 (UTC))
    • Couldn't he be doing two different Force maneuvers at once? Multitasking, you know. Force choke and Force lift. 93.57.95.170 15:51, December 30, 2010 (UTC)another long lost Solo cousin
      • You can do it in some of the games, Vader is pretty powerful its unlikely that lifting someone while choking them would be much of a problem. TortoiseX (talk) 03:25, November 15, 2012 (UTC) Tortoise TortoiseX (talk) 03:25, November 15, 2012 (UTC)
        • This space is for the purpose of determining the quality of the content of the article attached to this talk page. Unless providing a source or reference to dispute or support the quote, any discussion outside of that is speculation and not related to improving the article. Please take speculation and game mechanic discussions to a discussion forum. Thank you. —GethralkinHyperwave 18:29, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
          • upon thorough reading of "http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telekinesis" and re reading the piece in this article "Dooku was able to gain the advantage when he used the Force to levitate Kenobi and kick Skywalker into a wall at the same time. The Count then Force-choked Kenobi" i am not personally aware of any reasons why a force user could use 2 powers simultaneously especially if they are both forms of telekinesis. if i can be canonically proven wrong then fair enough, if not shouldn't the caption be changed to either read "Dooku incapacitating Kenobi using telekinesis." or "Dooku incapacitating Kenobi using his Force abilities." (TortoiseX (talk) 22:22, November 26, 2012 (UTC)) Tortoise (TortoiseX (talk) 22:22, November 26, 2012 (UTC))

Non-canon appearances

Does the Non-Canon Warning really need to be there if they are under the "Non-Canon Appearances" title? I think they should be removed.--BonslywizardTrade Federation(Send a transmission...It's perfectly legal!) 23:25, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Duel over Coruscant

Why does this article say Dooku asked Obi-wan and Anakin to DRAW their lightsabers? I don't know what it says in the novelisation, but in the film his clear intent is that the Jedi surrender their weapons. JediHistorian 05:00, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Whoever wrote that section of the article seems to have misunderstood the meaning of "Your swords, please." It's a conventional phrase that really says "[Give me]...your swords, please." It may seem ambiguous to non-native speakers, though. Sp4d4 09:48, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Already a Sith for more than 10 years by the time of AOTC?

The article states that Dooku had already been a sith for more than 10 years by the time of the Clone War, but this is not possible since his predecessor (Darth Maul) only died 10 years before the start of the war. Am I missing something here?

  • The statement is taken from Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, which takes place 30 months after the battle of Geonosis. I changed the article to "By the end of the Clone Wars" to reflect that. --The Master Bane - The Death Star - useful weapon for destroying shielded planets or just overcompensation? 00:09, October 24, 2011 (UTC)

Shadow Warrior

I think it would be best to add information regarding Dooku's battle against Anakin during the Dark Shadow episode on the article as well as Anakin's article just to point out that the duel between them on Tatooine in the Clone Wars movie wasn't the last time they engaged one another in combat until Revenge of the Sith. --Revan4000 01:43, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

Dooku is similar to Robert Lee!

I recently put an edit on how Dooku has similar traits to Robert Lee from the U.S. Civil War how they are look a likes, and how they both side on a confederacy. Then, the edit was removed. Who ever did this, please respond why? --LegoGuy87 02:44, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

  • Even though I did not remove it, I can explain to you why: it is not canon material and therefore does not belong in the article. Any information that is speculative is treated as fanon on this wiki. However, if George Lucas or somebody from Lucasfilms stated that Dooku was modeled after Robert E. Lee, then it would be worthy of inclusion because it came from a cited source. For instance, the apparent parallel of Rish Loo and Cardinal Richelieu from The Three Musketeers—as well as other coincidental parallels—are not worthy of inclusion in Rish Loo's article because neither Dave Filoni nor any of the TCW staff have confirmed the connection. GethralkinHyperwave 05:26, February 15, 2012 (UTC)
    • How about the Dooku and Dracula similarities? I don't think Lucas or Lucasfilms said about that, besides I think Lucas said the Clone Wars was based on the U.S. Civil War (Thats why I thought Dooku had a much better traits to Lee than Dracula), I am not sure if he actullly said that.--LegoGuy87 21:22, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

While I wholeheartedly agree that the Clone Wars can be quite easily and correctly compared to the American Civil War, Gethralkin's got the heart of it. Without an official statement to say so, it's really only fanon; and Wookieepedia isn't the place for fanon. – DigiFluid 02:33, February 16, 2012 (UTC)

'Apprentices' in Infobox

In the infobox there should be all of Dooku's acolyte apprentices like Saato, Kadrian Sey and more. Just like Luke has all his students, so should Dooku. 124.180.135.99 06:50, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Meeting on Vjun

The meeting on Vjun section should be moved to the bottom shouldn't it? According to The Essential Reader's Companion it takes place in 19 BBY which would place it after the info from the Clone Wars TV show, would it not? DarthRevan1173 Revan Headshot (Long live Lord Revan) 21:09, October 11, 2012 (UTC)

  • Yes it should, but not to 19 BBY. Remember that the BBY system runs backwards. I presume there's no reason to think they intended to change its placement, and 19.5 BBY is actually 20 BBY. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 23:11, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Picture

Does anybody know this picture I'm talking about? It's from a comic I think. It shows Dooku sadly watching a hologram of Darth Maul kill Qui Gon, while Sidious stands in the background. 49.176.7.52 07:24, February 17, 2013 (UTC)

  • This page is for discussing changes to the article. I direct you to the Knowledge Bank, where someone may be able to help you. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 01:47, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

OBSESSION

Why is the entire section non canon from what i remember leland chee clearly said only Assaij ultimate fate was non Canon the broad strokes durges fate dooku facing windu the general assault on boz pity was canon?? it seems highly redunant to sloppily make the entire boz pity section non canon

To sort this I would recommend we shorted the boz pity section and put it briefly as "Dooku was on boz pity for the battle of boz pity he thought mace windu and host of other jedi..he escaped and survived before being caught and apprehended"

this edits out assaij ventresses involvement while at the same time keeping what we know as canon in the battle kept intact----Bridgeboy95 (talk) 19:54, June 16, 2013 (UTC)

I have put an Ambiguously Canon Marker to replace the non canon one until this entire situation is cleared up--Bridgeboy95 (talk) 20:14, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

  • It has been resolved: "Sadly, TCW contradicts stuff and Chee said it's non canon" Trip391 (talk) 20:40, June 19, 2013 (UTC)

where did chee say that all other sources have said to save what we can and that the broad strokes of the battle happened i think ambigously canon fits this better i even asked chee on facebook and he said he didint know if the battle of boz pity was canon or not all chee has confirmed is the battle did happen but that assaij ventresses fate is non canon meaning the ambiguous canon marker is better suited than the non canon one --Bridgeboy95 (talk) 10:17, June 20, 2013 (UTC)

Where's it exactly stated that Dooku was a jedi guardian?

Somebody, give me a source please!--It's 658, mate! (talk) 21:46, July 25, 2014 (UTC)