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Sidious/Palpatine

When did Dooku find out Palpatine and Sidious were the same person? I believe he had his suspicions, but he did not truly know until Palpatine was on the Invisible Hand at the Battle of Coruscant and they had their famous conversation. Can anyone tell me of any earlier evidence? -GMo >:M:< 02:44, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

  • I'm not sure there is any evidence, but the fact that Dooku was not surprised in the least as to Palpatine's identity means that he had to have known for a LONG time, if not from the very beginning Lalala la 18:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The Death of Tyranus

When Dooku died, Obi-Wan was knocked out. Palpatine told Anakin to kill Dooku, but Anakin said it's not the Jedi way, he must had learned that from Obi-Wan, he would tell Anakin to let him live and to capture him. So if Obi-Wan was still awake, would Dooku survive?

If so, Dooku is the one who knocked him out, does that mean he's responsible for his own death? Double D 19:21, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • In a roundabout sort of way, yes. I agree that Anakin would probably not have killed Tyranus if Obi-Wan had been conscious. Hindsight is 20/20. Actually, he may have died anyway. A situation where he could be captured may never have arisen, and he may have been killed in the fight if that was the only way to subdue him. Also, he would have gone down easier if both Jedi had remained in the fight. – Aidje talk 20:43, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
  • i don't agree with that last part about him going down easier, Anakin tapped into his rage through Obi Wan being hurt, and palpetine surely wouldnt of egged Anakin on if Obi Wan was concious.. Talk
    • No, Anakin was still angry at him for what he did at Geonosis; Anakin would have tapped into his rage even if Kenobi wasn't knocked out. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 23:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
      • The novel has explained it (despite the fact that Palpy triggered the tap in novel while Dooku triggered it in movie), Anakin knew that he could not hold anything back, that 2 of his best frds were in mortal danger now, and his own orothodox Jedi power could never match a Sith Lord, etc blah blah blah. Dooku/Palpy/Ben might more or less contribute to his decision, but like what Star Wars always wanna express, the decision was Anakin's. Darth Kevinmhk 02:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
  • I over heard the conversation and would like to know if obi wan was theyre when anakin was about to kill count dooku and obi wan forbittid anakin to kill him and just arest him and deal with him on coroscant, what would be palpatines reactions? kenobi317 austen landaas
    • i don't understand what you mean really, but i think if you mean if Obi stopped Anakin then Palps would of either taunted Anakin into killing him anyway or had Dooku executed or gotten rid of ;P anyway this isn't the kind of discussion for a talk page Jedi Dude 14:35, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

But that still has something to do with dooku's death right . Well you still awnsered my question anyway, thanks! it would be freaky for palpatine to threat anakin he would kill him when obi wan is standing right beside him.

  • Well, put into your minds an important detail .... the SHIP! When that exploded how on earth could they arrest Dooky - boo and save their own butts at the same time? His hands were cut off so he had no way to get out if the ship tipped. he would have died anyway. - case closed. --Jabbathehuttgartogg 09:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

I diddnt ask that but whatever.

You are not a sith

I would like to see that quote when he talked to Asajj in the cartoon. It goes something like "You are not sith. You may fight like a sith. You may wear the trappings of a sith. But these things can be immitated however. The Sith lack one thing. Fear. And I sense alot of fear within you."

Sorry if it is in there but I want to see it. Its a fan favorite. ~Darth Wickan

    • but where would that go, maybe on Asajj's article but not here Jedi Dude 15:42, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

In my opinion I dont think we need the "he is a politac idealist" quote

    • well, it does reflect his chracter so it stays, this isn't about opinsions anyway? Sign your name as well please. Jedi Dude 22:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Shouldn't we be blaming the writers for this??????????

Battlemaster?

  • For all intent and purposes, which source exactly states Dooku as Battlemaster? And which source state he was "head lightsaber combat instructor and principal for advanced saber combat" ? Even if he was the head, I fail to see head lightsaber combat instructor automatically equals to Battlemaster. Darth Kevinmhk 17:48, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Umm...the head lightsaber combat instructor is the Battlemaster. If you want to find out who originally stated this, ask around or try to find this quote in a publication like Star Wars Insider or something. I just noticed this today, so I have no idea how long this has been stated. Xepeyon 19:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
      • The Battlemaster article says that a battlemaster should be proficient in all lightsaber forms. Dooku obviously knew some Shii-Cho, as every Padawan does, mastered Makashi on a high degree, but what about practicing other styles? I know from the EpIII novel that he knew other forms, but it cannot be know how well he could have used them in practice. - TopAce 19:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
        • Consider how Dooku hates Ataru and Jar'Kai, and had no experience with Form VII, I very doubt he knew "all" forms. In addition, not even Cin knew Form VII, so why he was Battlemaster? Darth Kevinmhk 00:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Cin knew Form IIV. Nick Gillard specifically designed Form IIV move sets into his character into the episode III Game. Nick Gillard created the Forms and implemented them into all the characters as the chief designer, so it seems reasonably canon to me.

          • Drallig still practiced more lightsaber forms than Dooku. It's a whole different fish in the keetle that Dooku could have beaten him with his Makashi, but still... - TopAce 10:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
            • Not to mention that Dooku surely began his Makashi training after becoming a Sith, being aware that he would have to fight Jedis.Petiflo 10:29, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
              • I don't want to argue with you, but as far as I remember, the article makes it pretty clear that Dooku was a master of Makashi even before he became a Sith. - TopAce 11:06, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
                  • Yes Dooku was, he was battlemaster becasue simply he was a master in battle, who needs more? Jedi Dude 11:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
                    • We had a lot of Jedi worth the so-called "master in battle" honor. I honestly doubt a Jedi title would grant to someone with such casual reason. I begin to wonder if this was just speculation. No one was able to provide an exact source stating Dooku as Jedi Battlemaster yet. Darth Kevinmhk 15:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
                      • This is very conflicting. It states he was head lightsaber instructor, yet he dispised(and possibily avoided training in) the forms Ataru and Jak'Kai. The article states that the Battlemaster had to have a deep knowlege of all styles as well as mastering them to an incredibly high degree. If dooku hated them, how could he teach padawans who wanted to be trained in the forms? Cin Drallig is safe, because I read that a Jedi had to master other styles in order to train in VII, and considering that most didn't he probably didn't have to worry about the matter as often. Dispite Dooku disliking the styles, he may have mastered them, is only to use traits to increase his mastery in Makashi. Makashi was meant for 1-on-1 battle, but he cound use it against multipile opponents. He may have taken traces from other styles to perfect this. If he did indeed master them, that could be one of(or the only) reasons for doing so. PS. Shouldn't this be in the battlemaster section considering other Jedi are being discussed here as well as Dooku? Xepeyon 23:49, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Count Dooku was trained in the Form of Makashi first by Yoda. "Fought well you have, my old Padawan." - Yoda, Attack of the Clones. Yoda taught young Dooku also in the art of Form IV Ataru. Then Dooku was handed off to Jedi Master Tholme who was a specialist of the Makashi Form. Either from Tholme or Yoda, Dooku was trained in a more archaic style of Makashi, a sub-variation that even most Makashi users weren't trained in. This, coupled with his innate skill as a swordsman allowed him to weild the normally one-on-one style against multiple opponants with ease. Later, when Dooku became a Knight and instructed Qui-Gon Jinn, he taught his student the Ataru he would later use in his life. Dooku stated that he hated the combative uses of the Ataru Form, but he still relied on Ataru techniques from time to time in battle when acrobatics were needed. This can be seen in both Episode II and III. As to wether Dooku was a Battlemaster, it seems probable to me, but I haven't seen any solid proof of it either.

                        • Only Makashi was canonically confirmed as Dooku's known style. While we are safe to assume he knew Shii-Cho from his youngling years, Dooku knowing any other forms are just pure speculation, with no canonical source to back up. By the way, I begin wondering about "head lightsaber instructor" too, can anyone please provide a source for that? Darth Kevinmhk 05:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
                          • Unless anyone could present solid evidence that Dooku was once a Jedi Battlemaster, otherwise I would remove the succession box and Dooku's name from Battlemaster page. Darth Kevinmhk 04:02, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
                            • To find out for sure, you'd have to find the person that wrote this, it may even be a caption bubble in a comic. No idea for sure, however. Even if you take his name away form the battlemaster's page, the paragraph still states him as such. There is a site that has some online comics about Star Wars, but I haven't read all of them, nor do they have them all. Just saying, maybe someone could find it there.Xepeyon 13:19, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
  • It has remained unsourced, so I removed it. - Angel Blue 451 02:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Hair Color?

Why does it say in the article that his hair is dark brown? I thought his hair color (prior to its turning white) was unconfirmed.

  • In Jango Fett: Open Seasons, it's brown - Kwenn 19:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Check the Gallery of Dooku images for pics - Kwenn 19:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Actually, it's varied heavily in sources from blondish (Legacy of the Jedi cover, Most Precious Weapon, I think) to black (him and Qui and Yoda and Tyvokka), but dark brown is probably the best bet. Though Chris Lee's hair was black. Yrfeloran 15:54, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Charlemagne's Lighsaber

"The curved hilt of Dooku's lightsaber is similar in design to that of Charlemagne, King of the Franks and founder of the Holy Roman Empire."

The way someone wrote this sentence, it sounds like Charlemagne had a lightsaber.--Darth Oblivion 18:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

headless pic

Oh, come on, do we really need a picture of his body with the caption "Dooku's headless corpse"? Can't we at least change it to the one where Anakin is standing over the body? That one was much more dignified. - Angel Blue 451 17:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Much agree. The article was recently being swarm with low quality or not necessary pic. I revert the headless pic. Darth Kevinmhk 03:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
    • There are far too many pics in that section as it is. At least two of them should be removed. QuentinGeorge 03:22, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
      • I propose removing "Dooku in pain after his wrists being cut" and "Dooku slash off Ani's arm". Darth Kevinmhk 03:24, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
  • I have an idea, I'll seperate it. Look at it, see if you like it, if you don't revert it. But please don't cut any pic. ....... yet. --Jabbathehuttgartogg DesilijicEmblem-TheOfficialSWFactFile DesilijicEmblem-TheOfficialSWFactFile 08:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
    • Nope. Still too many images. QuentinGeorge 09:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Hair color

Currently, the artcle says Dooku's hair color was "white." As far as I have seen "white" used for hair colors, "white" means that you dyed it white. It should be gray, because it became "white" because of old age, unless there's a source that dictates Dooku dyed his hair. - TopAce 09:47, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

  • what is the point of this article, no one responds to it, and no one cares, JUST DELETE THIS WASTE OF SPACE! PLEASE CAN I JUST DELETE IT?

What wouldve happened if Dooku versed Sidious in saber combat?

  • Well, in my opinion, Sidious is the master. He knows what buttons to push and where he will succeed. I believe Sidious wouldve bested Dooku in combat because he uses two saber styles that make him "an impossible opponent to overcome" according to wikipedia. So Sids wouldve won. And Dooku knew that, thats he never challenged his master.
    • Hey, sorry to say anon but this is no place for this kind of discussion, try a discussion board however im sure your get something sparked off...'cough'Sidious'cough' Jedi Dude 17:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Jedi Dude is faster than me! Lol! Darth Kevinmhk 17:05, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
        • WOW, how could ANYONE, possibly think that Sids would win, that old, wrinkly grey thing, he would get told whats what in TWO seconds! Dooku never challenged him because there would be no point in the battle of two seconds, man how stupid, sidious is nothing, and compared to Dooku, I dont even think Dooku would even need to look to defeat him, he'd just swing ounce and he would die. Man that rediculouse, have any of you even read Dookus file, "...one of the greatest...in lightsaber training" damn your stupid, all of you.
  • Ummm he definately is ONE of the GREATEST ever, read the quotes from Yoda, read his file before you all randomly choose to falsely say he is not!
    • Pointless discussion, keep opinions off these pages please Jedi Dude 17:15, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • That's exactly what I just said, anon.--Darth OblivionComlink30px 17:24, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
  • How is this a "pointless" discussion, and who the hell is Anon, Im not Anon damn it. This is obvious that Dooku would beat Sideous, easy, 1,2,3. Then it would be over and Sideous would die.
  • Wrong, Sidious would beat him. Dooku got almost got defeated by Yoda, but ran like a wuss when he realized that would happen. sidious battled and defeated Yoda, the greatest jedi ever to live. He also took down three of the best jedi fighters the order was able to have. And finally, Dooku got defeated by Anakin, how pathetic. Anakin shouldve easily been beatan by Dooku. But no, he beat Dooku because he was blinding with rage. And if Dooku was able to beat Sidious, why didnt he? Oh ya, because he COULDNT. A) he wasnt strong enough, and B) Sidious' skilled surpassed Dookus. And according to the man who created Star Wars, George Lucas himself, his exact words were "You have to be Yoda or Mace Windu to compete with the emperor." And Sidious beat them both! And no where did he say that anybody else could defeat Sidious. So, there you go, discussion ended. Sidious would win, hands down.
    • You are Anon, because you do not have a name, so is the person above. Your both anaon. And it doesnt matter what your opinions are, either of you we don't want them here! Go to a forum! Jedi Dude 20:07, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Ok just because George says that you (or Dooku) would have to be as good as Yoda and Mace doesn't mean he's correct. He's giving his own opinion in what he sees as the correct outcome. I'm going to have to disrespect George since he doesn't explain any further about why he thinks Yoda and Mace could easily defeat Sidious. The movies are one factor but so are novels, opinions, alternatives, etc.

You said, "So, there you go, discussion ended." Oh please you seem to have been taking this discussion as if it was a freaking debate. 68.190.209.93 07:25, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I've seen nothing that says Dooku would be beaten by Sidious.
  • Chill, this is my opinion: Darth Sidious was much stronger in the Force, but Dooku has greater dueling skills. Secondly Darth Sidious defeated three Jedi Master using Force Speed not just dueling skills, and Thirdly the comment about everyone on Wookieepedia being stupid, Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! And Fourthly (if thats even a word sign your name so I know who to say Grrr! to. Derek Yoda's friend 02:26, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Dooku should have easily defeated Anakin and Obi-Wan

Dooku easily should have defeated Anakin and Obi-Wan, there is no explanation to how in the world [Redacted by administration] Anakin and Obi-Wan could have defeated Dooku with all his skill and power. As Yoda said Dooku was "...the greatest student..." and he also was the greatest duelist in the order, and had a high degree of mastery of the force. Anakin has nothing, he is just an angry 20 year old with no physical strength at all. Not to meantion how Dooku in the movie bested Obi-Wan but could not deafeat the ohhh soo "POWERFUL" Anakin, but then Obi-Wan beats Anakin even though he could not defeat Dooku and Anakin could.

  • Do I need to inform the administrators, anon? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20px 00:52, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
  • ABOUT WHAT? A DISCUSSION? Cant you just leave a remark on what you think, like a human please, its a discussion, just talk, man. say what you want, what is wrong, its a discussion, cant you say ANYTHING THAT IS FUN TO TALK ABOUT? what can I say, its a good topic, just use it.
  • Yeah I agree, Dooku would have owned them all, Yoda too, he sould have been easily defeated, and I also agree whith this discussion, its a good one unlike the rest of these.
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  • freak. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit) GrappasTattoo-CrimsonEmpireII 01:19, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
  • I just blocked him. So in a sense, he just got told. -- SFH 01:20, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
  • You could've come up with so much good comebacks. These are the perfect times, SFH - man. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg(Rancor pit) GrappasTattoo-CrimsonEmpireII 01:22, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Bah, I miss all the fun. :P -- beeurd talk 01:37, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
  • It seems to me that because they had made Dooku so powerful that in order to really have Anakin beat Dooku then the lightsaber fight between them would have to be even longer.
    • I think Darth Sidious had the power of Battle Meditation. That would make sense, because he wanted Anakin to win, so maybe he... helped him out a little. (That would also explain how Maul beat Qui-Gon Jinn, who was supposed to be one of the best...) --Crazy Jedi Girl 15:17, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Change

Any arguements aganist a change in infobox image? --RedemptionTalk 15px 01:37, 21 October 2006 (UTC) File:Countdookuhalf.jpg

  • I like it. Put it on first, so I can see what it looks like.--IG-Prime(Sentience Core)20px 03:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
    • There is a preview button, ya know...--RedemptionTalk 15px 03:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
      • ....Oh yeah....sorry. Also, I will wait on the Skywalker image thing. How are we supposed to vote anyways? Is there some sort of Senate Forum active? If not I will make one, if need be.--IG-Prime(Sentience Core)20px 03:59, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
  • There is now a vote in the Senate Hall.--IG-Prime(Sentience Core)20px 12:44, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

What do you think should be the infobox picture ?

I don't think that the current image should be on the infobox. Wan't to argue about it? --SWME 20:49, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

  • It's what I live for. Please enlighten the community why you don't think it should be there and what you think should be there. --RedemptionTalk 15px 22:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Hmm, looks like an old discussion, but seeing as there's no pic now, how about someone find a shot of that scene where Dooku uses the Force to collapse the railway over Obi-Wan during ROTS? I would think that pic, if anything, should be pretty iconic of Christopher Lee - Lalala la 05:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
    • [1] This is what I had in mind, except it's too small Lalala la 09:11, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Dual-Phase Lightsaber

Dooku carrying a Dual-Phase Lightsaber is mentioned in the Attack of the Clones visual dictionary. Darth Vatrir

Dark Lord of the Sith

Can you really call Dooku the Dark Lord of the Sith? Dark Lord of the Sith is like the leader of the Sith, so there's only one. In the time it says Dooku was the Dark Lord of the Sith, technically wasn't Sidious really? Just because he was in hiding the entire time doesn't mean Sidious wasn't truly th Dark Lord of the Sith. Dooku did call Sidious his master to anf away from his face, and Dark Lords of the Sith surley don't have masters!(During their reign at least..) For example, Revan was Malak's master, and when Revan was thought dead Malak took the mantle of DLotS, since the old one was dead.

So, wouldn't it be more appropriate to say he was The apprentice of the Dark Lord of the Sith?--Waterwaker 07:48, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Ehh.. didn't know.. see, my mother always gets mad at me for being obsessed with Star Wars, but probably everyone on this site knows more then me! Sorry for my rant..

That's screwy though.. I don't think it should be like that.. I think there should only be one!!! Can't change what's fact in Star Wars though.. --Waterwaker 08:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Your right though, there is only one Dark Lord. If any other writer working for Lucas said otherwise, they must have had an acid trip. XD

Dooku and Skywalker

Of all the Jedi, Count Dooku had a particular dislike of Anakin Skywalker

Who could blame Dooku. Anakin sucks (the actor too).

Dooku may have also found the Council's belief that Anakin was the Chosen One to be absurd. Indeed, Dooku was of the opinion that the true identity of the Chosen One was a seasoned philosopher of sharp insight, someone with solid character and the intellectual clarity to see the path to galactic enlightenment; someone who possessed the titanic willpower to walk such a path; and, most importantly, had the charisma and leadership to carry others along with him.

Ironically, Dooku fit that personality exactly — at least in his own mind.

Yeah, when you think of the Chosen One.... you don't think of a dumbass character like Anakin at all. —Unsigned comment by 4.224.60.6 (talk • contribs)

  • Actually Hayden Christensin did a bad job in Attack of the Clones(So did Natalie) but Hayden did pretty good in Episode III. Derek Yoda's friend 01:12, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Christiansen isn't a bad actor, but he certainly sucked it up in the prequels. It's wierd, the movies are full of top-flight actors but Christopher Lee and Liam Neeson are the only ones that didn't put on embarassing performances. 66.167.145.218 10:02, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Leaving the Order

It is said that one of the reasons Dooku left the order was the death of Qui-Gon at the hands of the Sith. I wonder why should Qui-Gon's death affect him so deeply since there isn't a very deep affection between both of them. I'm basing this from Legacy of the Jedi. Any help? -naz-

  • I think it's more to do with his view that it's the current state of the Jedi Order that led to Qui-Gon's death - don't forget, they dismissed the notion that Maul was a Sith, since they were arrogant enough to presume the Sith were extinct - \\Captain Kwenn// — Ahoy! 18:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

What happened to Dookus head?

You never see it lying on the ground or go flying across the room or land on his robes or anything. What happened to it? User:Pal101

It's there, it tumbles off screen very quickly after it is removed

Can someone giveme a picture with his head tumbling off and if it's hard to spot circle the head. I need it for something. thanks. User:Pal101

Dooku and Kenobi

So I was wondering if maybe we should add a "Dooku and Kenobi" section similar to the Dooku and Skywalker section since Dooku did want Obi-Wan as his potential Sith Apprentice, and in the Ep III novelisation even asked Sidious if they could change the plan from killing Obi-Wan and making Anakin the hero of the republic, into killing Anakin and making Obi-Wan the hero of the republic